Addition of "Multiple Arms" for Powers and Abilities

[Arkenis]

So seeing as you put doc oct, would someone like Lucy from elfen lied fit into multiple limbs? Like people who have spiritual or intangible limb creation would they fit as well?

 

[Omnificence]

So seeing as you put doc oct, would someone like Lucy from elfen lied fit into multiple limbs? Like people who have spiritual or intangible limb creation would they fit as well?

I suppose so, yeah.

 

[Jinx666]

Yes, they do; they're appendages, but the word "appendage" is also a synonym for the word "limb".

See? The fingers are limbs, but in that case, they're also called appendages.

Apendages are classified as different to Limbs. Limbs are Appendages but not all Appendages are Limbs, Appendages literally just means anything attached to your body, like Limbs are, but that doesnt include organs.
Fingers and toes are also labelled as Digits, which are just separate parts of the main limb.

Your ears and your head are not Limbs. Limbs are your prehensile features like arms and legs. They dont count.

 

[Jinx666]

Please look up the definition of a limb

 

[Omnificence]

@Jinx666 They're synonyms, dude. It even says so on the Superpower wiki...

 

[Jinx666]

The superpower wiki doesnt define what a Limb is.
And the Superpower wiki literally just labels it as a complete umbrella term as 'Multiple Limbs'.

They arent limbs anatomically, so please keep it to prehensile features like Arms and Legs. We arent the Superpower wiki, hence why we make our own pages for Powers and abilities
But this is why i would prefer it was called Multiple Arms as theres no character with multiple legs (that wouldnt use em as arms), and theres much less leniency on giving the power while locking it to anthro. It also excludes things like tails and tentacles.

 

[Jinx666]

@Jinx666 They're synonyms, dude. It even says so on the Superpower wiki...

Appendages and Limbs arent synonyms, theyre classifications.

Limbs are Appendages, but not all Appendages are Limbs. Limbs are a classification that dont include organs like your ears, or other body parts like your head.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

A limb, I think, is defined as a part of the body that can be used to make the body move which are arms, legs and wings. That being said, we could just change it to multiple appendages.

 

[Omnificence]

Appendages and Limbs arent synonyms, theyre classifications.

Limbs are Appendages, but not all Appendages are Limbs. Limbs are a classification that dont include organs like your ears, or other body parts like your head.

If you insist.

 

[Omnificence]

A limb, I think, is defined as a part of the body that can be used to make the body move which are arms, legs and wings. That being said, we could just change it to multiple appendages.

Maybe it could just be a synonym of Multiple Limbs.

 

[Arkenis]

If we add wings then we're just including stuff such as flight. Should just be legs and arms I think

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

I'm just clarifying the definition of limbs

 

[Jinx666]

Multiple Appendages has already been considered, which ppl like Ant disliked because of its long winded pronounciation, but i'd much rather we just keep this power as simple as we can, as it is a pretty simple power. The powers and abilities on this wiki are all simple, commonly found powers among different verses

and yes, Tails, Wings, Tentacles etc are all technically limbs, which is why Mutliple Arms would make it much more distinct, lock it to anthro and save us the debates for quadrupedal/other body structures, but Multiple Limbs is fine too if its JUST Arms and Legs.

 

[Omnificence]

Multiple Appendages has already been considered, which ppl like Ant disliked because of its long winded pronounciation, but i'd much rather we just keep this power as simple as we can, as it is a pretty simple power. The powers and abilities on this wiki are all simple, commonly found powers among different verses

and yes, Tails, Wings, Tentacles etc are all technically limbs, which is why Mutliple Arms would make it much more distinct, lock it to anthro and save us the debates for quadrupedal/other body structures, but Multiple Limbs is fine too if its JUST Arms and Legs.

Well, I mean, if this power involved animals, maybe I can add tails and wings. Like, maybe make a subsection for Multiple Limbs?

 

[Jinx666]

Well no cause then that gives this power to anything with tails and wings etc. This is meant to be a category that separates the broad 'Body Control' and establishes a common power in having multiple arms.
It would really be better to lock this to anthro characters than animals, as animals all can have 'more limbs' and 'multiple limbs' in comparison to humans and our set number of limbs. Which just makes it confusing on whether they deserve it

The legs part is unnecessary, i dont see or know of any character that exclusively grows more legs and how it helps them. Im content with Multiple Limbs but thats just going to be constantly questioned on why we dont include the limbs of other beings like birds or molluscs

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Btw, what happened to enhanced physiology?

 

[Jinx666]

Enhanced Physiology doesnt work, as that could be alluding any form of enhancement to the body, even superhuman characteristics, that work outside of having multiple limbs. Its also not always been 'enhanced' and more so born with/empowered
Also having multiple of something isnt always 'enhanced', and can instead put life at a risk. Not necessarily limbs but with stuff like organs or vital body parts.

Its also huge in what it could mean. a character who say, has multiple hearts wouldnt be the same power or category as a character with multiple arms

 

[Omnificence]

Btw, what happened to enhanced physiology?

Isn't that basically just...Superhuman Physical Characteristics?

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Nope, it covers a wide range of things

 

[Omnificence]

The legs part is unnecessary, i dont see or know of any character that exclusively grows more legs and how it helps them. Im content with Multiple Limbs but thats just going to be constantly questioned on why we dont include the limbs of other beings like birds or molluscs

We agreed on "Multiple Limbs", not "Multiple Arms"; this power mostly focuses on human anatomy.

 

[Bobsican]

Regarding Enhanced Physiology, I'd still be concerned on its usability not really helping indexing out of notable physiologies straight up getting their own pages (hint, half of the verse-specific P&As on the site are physiology pages), and anything else already being fine indexing on its own with an explanation as simple as "As an X species, Y inherently gets it".

I'd rather avoid more power pages that are just a glorified list for other powers with the main thing in question being rather useless on its own like Elemental Manip, as they just don't contribute to indexing and make indexing inconsistent at best.

 

[Jinx666]

Yeah its been 'agreed' in general but i still dont see anyone whose come up with a way on how we deal with non-anthro characters that are meant to have what we would be classifying as 'multiple limbs'. As thats usually their species' normal amount of limbs. Does a quadrupedal get the category for having multiple legs? or multiple tails which are still limbs, just not traditional human onces

And while we can say that, humans and anthro characters arent the only characters with what would be classified as 'limbs', while arms are something that are specifically exclusive to anthro characters. It would be a lot easier to name and classify this way by sacrificing the characters who have 'multiple legs' (cant think of any really that exclusive have separate legs and is shown to help them) from this category.

 

[Pikaman]

Enhanced Physiology doesnt work, as that could be alluding any form of enhancement to the body, even superhuman characteristics, that work outside of having multiple limbs. Its also not always been 'enhanced' and more so born with/empowered
Also having multiple of something isnt always 'enhanced', and can instead put life at a risk. Not necessarily limbs but with stuff like organs or vital body parts.

Its also huge in what it could mean. a character who say, has multiple hearts wouldnt be the same power or category as a character with multiple arms

You know we have types for a reason, Immortality is a ridiculously broad power, we still have a single page to cover all of its variations. You can just list an ability as non-combat applicable, or have a specific type for redundant versions of the power, in terms of how to decide what qualifies, just compare them to their closest real world counter-part on a case by case basis. A human like character with 4 arms qualifies, a dog like character doesn’t

 

[Jinx666]

Immortality is easy though as thats still a pretty simple and easy concept to understand, theres just different types of how a character 'cant die' that need to be noted. Thats a more justified typing, as Immortality still always means the character cant die by traditional means/at all.

Enhanced Physiology could mean so many things though, and is basically another term for Superhuman Physical Characterstics, as having multiple limbs isnt exactly the only definiton for Enhanced Physiology. Are you gonna make different types and categories for how someones body could be enhanced??

 

[Pikaman]

Are you gonna make different types and categories for how someones body could be enhanced??

Yes…? It’s really not as hard as you are making it out to be, it’s physical characteristics which are surplus to the standard biology of their species or one close to their species, there’s not a crazy amount to list, limbs, organs, others (such as hands and feet) would literally cover like most examples of this power

 

[Jinx666]

Yes…? It’s really not as hard as you are making it out to be, it’s physical characteristics which are surplus to the standard biology of their species or one close to their species, there’s not a crazy amount to list, limbs, organs, others (such as hands and feet) would literally cover like most examples of this power

Well no, because 'Enhanced Physiology' can refer to so many other things than the outside of the body (like enhanced digestion etc) and how many pairs of organs/limbs they have.

Its literally any form of physiology thats enhanced. It doesnt need to include having an extra arm or so to be 'enhanced physiology'. Your physiology is enhanced through any superhuman physical characteristics. Its not a good fit for the power.

 

[Antvasima]

Should we call the page "Extra Limbs" instead? 2 arms and 2 legs technically qualify as multiple after all.

 

[Antvasima]

There; it's done! What do you guys think?

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[Pikaman]

Well no, because 'Enhanced Physiology' can refer to so many other things than the outside of the body (like enhanced digestion etc) and how many pairs of organs/limbs they have.

Its literally any form of physiology thats enhanced. It doesnt need to include having an extra arm or so to be 'enhanced physiology'. Your physiology is enhanced through any superhuman physical characteristics. Its not a good fit for the power.

Then it’s just an issue with naming, which can easily be fixed

 

[Jinx666]

Then it’s just an issue with naming, which can easily be fixed

Yeah, which is why we wont call it 'Enhanced Physiology'

Honestly i still feel we dont need to overcomplicate it and just call it 'Multiple Arms', if it isnt going to include limbs that humans dont have, we might as well naturally lock it to anthro characters, and theres no character with 'multiple legs' really to go with it that cant also make multiple arms.
Multiple Limbs would be the more general pick but its still got that issue with deciding what we count as multiple limbs, so we should just leave it out of quadrupedal/non anthro characters because its not like they fight using arms anyway.

Extra Limbs doesnt feel right either, its hard to explain but Extra limbs only feels like its applying to the characters that can generate arms than the ones born naturally with it. Multiple Arms/Limbs would refer to more than the general two, but Multiple is a lot better of a technical word than Extra. Its like how we have Multiple Selves, and not Extra.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, but 2 arms and 2 legs makes 4 limbs, which is included in the word "multiple", so it sounds rather illogical otherwise.

 

[Pikaman]

in terms of how to decide what qualifies, just compare them to their closest real world counter-part on a case by case basis. A human like character with 4 arms qualifies, a dog like character doesn’t

Just saying

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, that seems like a good point.

 

[Jinx666]

Yes, but 2 arms and 2 legs makes 4 limbs, which is included in the word "multiple", so it sounds rather illogical otherwise.

Yeah but it obviously alludes to having more than the standard case, which is different among body structure.
Additional Limbs or something sounds a lot better than 'Extra' id imagine.


As for the comparison issue, would you still say an octopus like creature wouldnt have multiple arms if it was being protrayed as its own character, even though it would normally have 8? Is there even any need to include legs among this and not just stick to focusing on Arms rather than 'limbs' which would also include tails, tentacles, wings etc?

 

[Phoenks]

Multiple Limbs feels way too specific for me to agree with that addition.

 

[Bobsican]

For the record, I also lean more against this power in general for the reasons I've said before.

 

[Jinx666]

Which is why i said for Multiple Arms/Additional Arms which is a common power, and only follows the sense of characters having more than 2 arms rather than every other limb that could exist.

It is nonetheless a superpower that would still need to be stated on a lot of the pages that didnt have this noted, as having more than 1 pair of arms/limbs is definitely going to be advantageous in a fight. We might as well just have a page to link it to when its going to be amongst the other various listed powers and abilities, which 'Body Control' does not fit for a large portion of characters who have these arms naturally, and is a huge broad umbrella term power anyway.

I also dont see the harm in adding it again, its not like this is some controversial niche power, and there are pages for more obvious superpowers like it. I dont exactly see whats there to have against it?

 

[Jinx666]

We agreed on "Multiple Limbs", not "Multiple Arms"; this power mostly focuses on human anatomy.

Yh and im still allowed to challenge it, because theres still a lot to say. The power can focus on it, but by calling it limbs instead of arms, then thats pointing out several other limbs like tails, wings etc, which isnt as obvious as it could be that this power is meant to be focusing on human anatomy. Limbs would be fine if we were prepared to list every character with a tail that was a human or smthn, but by that point its making the category a little vast and open to...a lot

The only reason i see for Multiple limbs to be called that in this case is by also including legs...buuut is there even a character who has an unnatural anatomy of multiple legs which they use for anything useful? Let alone a humanoid character that can make multiple legs, but not arms?
If anything does, it would also be using these legs AS arms like that one centipede from Dragon Ball, honestly all i can think of is Franky from One Piece in his centaur form.
Maybe i can also see characters who use other limbs that act like arms, like tendrils on a plant based character, but those dont count as limbs either and are more akin to actual Bodily Weaponry users

Arms are just clearly the most common form of limb in fiction that there are more than 2 of.

Just seems way simpler to call them this and avoid the confusion. Additional Arms would be fine even since technically 2 can be counted as multiple

Nope, it covers a wide range of things

Yeah, too wide and doesnt only cover having multiple limbs, since thats not always seen as an enhancement, or has been enhanced from a natural model. Theres tons of different ways physiology can be enhanced, and it matches more to Superhuman Physical characteristics

This category should be something that splits Body Control as a really vague power.

 

[Omnificence]

Yh and im still allowed to challenge it, because theres still a lot to say. The power can focus on it, but by calling it limbs instead of arms, then thats pointing out several other limbs like tails, wings etc, which isnt as obvious as it could be that this power is meant to be focusing on human anatomy. Limbs would be fine if we were prepared to list every character with a tail that was a human or smthn, but by that point its making the category a little vast and open to...a lot

Then, what's the plan now? Should I get the page renamed? Do we merge it all into another power like Body Control?

 

[Jinx666]

Then, what's the plan now? Should I get the page renamed or something?

Its only a sandbox so it wouldnt be hard before its hopefully going to be implemented

I feel this thread has run for way too long for a really basic power like this, im open to expanding it as much as possible that doesnt just make it a really common power, but there doesnt really seem to be any, and thats okay cause we dont make Powers and Abilties pages based on how simple or selfexplanatory the power is, more how ubiquitous it is and its relevance that shows up in media and debates. I dont think anyone can argue that having more than 1 pair of arms you can control isnt going to be useful at least in CQC matches