Addition of "Multiple Arms" for Powers and Abilities

[Phoenks]

Would prefer a "Enhanced Physiology" page that encompassed all of these little things that technically make one superior to an average human.

Additions like multiple eyes, multiple limbs, wings, tails, natural body armors, etc could fall under it.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Would prefer a "Enhanced Physiology" page that encompassed all of these little things that technically make one superior to an average human.

Additions like multiple eyes, multiple limbs, wings, tails, natural body armors, etc could fall under it.

I did make an Enhanced Physiology page on FC/OC, but it was deleted, so it's possible to take that and improve upon with more stuff.

 

[Bobsican]

Can you name one character with four arms that explicity have trouble controlling 4 arms at a time that they were naturally born with?

About any animalistic-intelligence character, squids have 2 more extremities than a human yet can't use them for much more than swimming, for instance.

 

[Confluctor]

Would prefer a "Enhanced Physiology" page that encompassed all of these little things that technically make one superior to an average human.

Additions like multiple eyes, multiple limbs, wings, tails, natural body armors, etc could fall under it.

Actually, this would be ideal honestly.

Maybe we can just mix and merge it with superhuman physical characters. But that's a different story

 

[Antvasima]

Would prefer a "Enhanced Physiology" page that encompassed all of these little things that technically make one superior to an average human.

Additions like multiple eyes, multiple limbs, wings, tails, natural body armors, etc could fall under it.

That seems like a more commonly applicable option, yes, but we would have to include different types in different sections for extra arms, legs, eyes, and possibly otherwise.

 

[Arkenis]

someone like Muzan from kny could benefit from this given his 7 hearts and 5 brains

 

[Jinx666]

Not every character in this profile is a human though

I don't see that as an issue. Animals qualify for Bodily Weaponry.

If they have fangs and claws etc. But the multiple legs of a spider arent their weapons.

they dont come naturally from their body and could be mechanical parts

Artificial weapons are allowed for Bodily Weaponry.

Again fists arent counted as bodily weaponry

and characters who get 4 arms naturally would just use them as extra limbs in general, not exclusively for the intent on fighting or attacking prey like fangs, poison etc would be.

I already responded to that point here.

Having an extra set of arms with fists still arent counted as Bodily Weaponry. Are they body weapons because its an extra pair of hands?

But yeah bodily Weaponry rly doesnt fit for having multiple arms.

 

[Jinx666]

Enhanced Physiology is a iffy because then thats just a huge blanket term in itself.

You can have 'Enhanced Physiology' through a better quality body, not just having more organs or an extra pair of eyes etc. That should all be apart of enhanced senses.
The powers and abilities would have to fully explain what the enhancement is, which doesnt seem practical compared to Multiple Arms/Limbs which directly tell what that enhancement is.
Again, it also varies by characters whose physical standards are comparable to humans, or animals, or insects etc.

I would prefer it stick to the single multiple limbs/arms/appendages or whatever as those usually seem more applicable and common ground compared to listing off every aspect of how Physiology can be enhanced.

 

[Bobsican]

Having extra organs isn't inherently better for the purposes of someone's being, as much as someone having three hearts won't inherently still be significantly alive if one of them stops working, or how fleas have several eyes yet their eyesight isn't that good, among others, defeating the purpose of that being a power page as it can't be assumed to have any notable effect whatsoever for our purposes.

 

[Jinx666]

About any animalistic-intelligence character, squids have 2 more extremities than a human yet can't use them for much more than swimming, for instance.

I mean squids, being a real life animal, and having tentacles, not arms (they are different in how they're controlled for how humans =/= squids) are never really shown for combat. Howveer there are squid species that use their tentacles to wrap around and grasp their targets, like Colossal Squid and Sperm Whales, which is what they can use effectively.
Swimming is still an advantage for an aquatic creature. I however dont think we should include tentacles among this category, since tentacles can work differently.

Either way i was talking more of a fictional character whose 4 arms are notably hindered and they cant control them all at the same time as well as a human would. a body that naturally uses 4 arms would be better coordinated in that aspect, but it depends on of course hte size and scale of a creature. We as humans ar emuch more intelligent than any other animal on the planet, but we are built like this and it cant rly be compared to how insects move and coordinate their bodies

 

[Bobsican]

Well, if you want a better example, bugs, they're mostly for travel and lack the dexterity to do much else with them, even just letting some of them be ripped off to escape.
A power doesn't have to be necessarily for combat and all, but we also have to draw a line or else we'll start having glorified categories as power pages that don't really contribute to indexing the capabilities of a character out of being too variable/specific.

 

[Jinx666]

Well, if you want a better example, bugs, they're mostly for travel and lack the dexterity to do much else with them, even just letting some of them be ripped off to escape.
A power doesn't have to be necessarily for combat and all, but we also have to draw a line or else we'll start having glorified categories as power pages that don't really contribute to indexing the capabilities of a character out of being too variable/specific.

I mean I only wanted to document characters that mainly have multiple arms. It was going to be multiple limbs but ppl brought up the point that it gets broad and dependent on what sort of species its meant to be. Multiple arms would limit this to anthro characters, which are much easier to account for having multiple limbs
As such i wouldnt want to give this category to some more than 2-legged character because yh, some stick insect should get the category just for naturally having the species leg equivalent.

This was generally made with the idea of characters that use multiple arms mainly for a melee or movement advantage of sorts. Im fine with Multiple limbs if it covers a scope, but i definitely wouldnt want something like 'Enhanced Physiology' that deviates and becomes an even bigger blanket term than Body Control
But yh im of the mind to not include tentacles, not include creatures that just have 6 legs or nothing as they normally should, and more beings that have, or have the potential to use more than the 2 standard set of arms in combat as the main advantage.

 

[Bobsican]

In that case it should be mentioned at least such specifications to avoid misconceptions, something like "Only characters that are human or otherwise anthropomorphic can qualify for this power" could be mentioned, the reasoning as to why should also be mentioned of course.

I still hold on the idea that it's too variable and the stuff it'd cover would be better within the Intelligence and/or the Notable Attacks/Techniques section given what it'd cover would strictly be covered there as well given the description, however.

 

[Jinx666]

Its less a Notable Attack and Technique to have multiple arms. If its something like Tien, then sure (and that still doesnt rule out noting it down), but Four Arms from ben 10 doesnt have 'having four arms' as a technique or specific attack. Its just his natural body.

But number of arms/appendages doesnt correlate to how intelligent you are, it just imples a stronger coordination most of the time on anthro beings who can control beyond the usual norm of merely having 2 arms.
Its like the idea of how people struggle to pat their head and rub their belly at the same time, and while characters who have mutliple arms might not be the best coordinated, usually ones that can use it for combat, can have a stronger prowess and natural higher grasp of multitasking since the multiple arms all can move at different commands
Its merely something on the side, the characters ability to fight with the advantage of multiple limbs can be individually judged and decided. It would also say a lot about character's skill who can keep up with them despite having less arms in melee

Which is why i thought calling it 'Multiple Arms' over 'Multiple Limbs' automatically locks the category to anthropomorphic physiology, and excludes other appendages humans dont have like tails and tentacles to avoid the confusion. 'Tail Users' and 'Tentacle Users' can be their own categories tbh

 

[Bobsican]

Yeah, but thing is that having more arms doesn't really bring anything new to the table beyond things that are technically impossible with less (which is too variable for a power page to be useful), and in cases where they are indeed bringing new stuff by themselves, they're no different from just skill feats at that point involving that in particular.
By that logic we may as well get a dual wielding page.
Overall, this kind of stuff is too variable to deserve a power page (Defeating its point), and is better handled in other parts of a page as said before.

 

[Antvasima]

Yeah, but thing is that having more arms doesn't really bring anything new to the table beyond things that are technically impossible with less (which is too variable for a power page to be useful), and in cases where they are indeed bringing new stuff by themselves, they're no different from just skill feats at that point involving that in particular.
By that logic we may as well get a dual wielding page.
Overall, this kind of stuff is too variable to deserve a power page (Defeating its point), and is better handled in other parts of a page as said before.

I am personally inclined to agree with this.

 

[Pikaman]

Enhanced Physiology with a note on the page saying only to give the power in cases where the physiology is shown to actually benefit the user above what regular biology (for lack of a better term) has makes sense no? It’s a common and useful to index power and that note removes the issue of redundant versions of the power

you could also in the “types” of the ability that has been proposed (similar to immortality) have a type for redundant applications of the power that are non-combat, or life, applicable.

 

[Jinx666]

Yeah, but thing is that having more arms doesn't really bring anything new to the table beyond things that are technically impossible with less (which is too variable for a power page to be useful), and in cases where they are indeed bringing new stuff by themselves, they're no different from just skill feats at that point involving that in particular.
By that logic we may as well get a dual wielding page.
Overall, this kind of stuff is too variable to deserve a power page (Defeating its point), and is better handled in other parts of a page as said before.

I mean i have listed its advantages in actual debating, i feel its a very overlooked power since melee advantage is definitely there. Nonetheless, its still a power that was widely scarce and not included on mostly all of the pages that apply. Theres tons of characters whose main gimmick is having multiple Arms/Limbs that they use in varied and unique ways, but nonetheless it definitely accounts for their ability to multi-task, multi-wield and obvious melee advantage.
I dont see why a basic power like this is something that needs to necessarily bring something new to the table compared to addressing and providing a link for a basic power that is common among different series. We use the power pages for linking, but that doesnt relate to how simple or difficult the power is to understand. something like Martial Arts, Fire Manipulation etc are all obvious common abilities that are pretty self explanatory.

Dual wielding, Body Control, Bodily Weaponry etc are all not always going to cover the majority of characters that would fall under this category blanket wise. You wouldnt give a character who naturally has these arms body control. Dual Wielding revolves around Dual, a.k.a two mainly, and doesnt apply without weaponry, and Fists arent considered Bodily Weaponry otherwise it belongs on almost every page.
It really is just another basic categoric power that ties into a characters physiology (Like Large Size, Body Weaponry, Elasticity etc), that is still a power/ability that provides its own facts to consider in vs threads

I also dont see what would be the negatives of adding it either. It doesn't harm info or anything, and no one could really use a basic power such as this for basis of flooding the wiki with a ton of more niche unique powers. Either way its barely noted on tons of pages that would apply. Body Control is a very broad term that should be shortened down in any way it can too.

 

[Bobsican]

I'm neutral beyond that, so I'd rather hear what others think on the matter.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that I am also neutral currently.

 

[GyroNutz]

Multiple __ seems like it is useful to index in some scenarios. Not sure if 'multiple limbs' should extend to stuff like tentacles since if we're using humans as a baseline, they don't have any tentacles to begin with.

Speaking of setting a baseline, many animals can be considered to have 4 legs, yet I don't think they should qualify for an ability like this. Also, would we consider someone with additional prosthetics to have multiple limbs? What about someone like Dr. Octopus, who has additional mechanical 'tentacles' that act as both arms and legs in a sense. I agree with the addition, but it should be clarified well.

 

[Pikaman]

Perhaps if they are in surplus when compared to their closest real world counterpart? Like a cow based creature with 4 legs doesn’t qualify, but one with 5 does

 

[Pikaman]

you could also in the “types” of the ability that has been proposed (similar to immortality) have a type for redundant applications of the power that are non-combat, or life, applicable.

Or have this

 

[Jinx666]

Im not sure about including legs in general really? Unless its some character like that one Millipede/Centipede guy form Dragon ball where they're used in combat like arms, there certainly isnt a ton of characters with 'multiple legs' than what their frame is normally supposed to have nor is it more combat applicable or common compared to just having multiple arms. Or at least a character that can grow multiple legs but not multiple arms too

Im fine with it if we really need it but calling it 'Multiple Arms' automatically locks it to anthro characters since they're the only frame that actually have 'arms' in our own sense.

 

[Jinx666]

Bump

Whats the consensus then?

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure. Either creating a Multiple Limbs or Multiple Arms page, I think.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Most staff members seem to agree with the creation of "Multiple Limbs", though I don't think any draft was written to go along with this approval.

So, in theory, the next step for this thread would be creating a sandbox with the page in it and having that checked out.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the information.

Is somebody here willing to create a "Multiple Limbs" draft page?

 

[Omnificence]

Okay. Thank you for the information.

Is somebody here willing to create a "Multiple Limbs" draft page?

Here's what I have so far. What else should I add?

@Mr._Bambu @Antvasima @GyroNutz @Colonel_Krukov @Phoenks @SamanPatou

 

[Arkenis]

Here's what I have so far. What else should I add?

@Mr._Bambu @Antvasima @GyroNutz @Colonel_Krukov @Phoenks @SamanPatou

Danmaku
And a different gif should be used to show the application of multiple limbs

 

[Omnificence]

There; it's done! What do you guys think?

@Mr._Bambu @Antvasima @SamanPatou @Colonel_Krukov @KLOL506 @GyroNutz @Arkenis

 

[Jinx666]

I agree with changing the pic, as the power refers more to someone possessing extra arms rather than whats being shown as Nicos power.
She should still totally be the face of it like this

 

[Jinx666]

Im not sure about including legs in general really? Unless its some character like that one Millipede/Centipede guy form Dragon ball where they're used in combat like arms, there certainly isnt a ton of characters with 'multiple legs' than what their frame is normally supposed to have nor is it more combat applicable or common compared to just having multiple arms. Or at least a character that can grow multiple legs but not multiple arms too

Im fine with it if we really need it but calling it 'Multiple Arms' automatically locks it to anthro characters since they're the only frame that actually have 'arms' in our own sense.

But i'd still like a reply to this on why we should just focus on Arms maybe, as limbs broadens it way too much (like how tails and tentacles count as limbs) whilst Arms locks to only anthro characters

 

[Omnificence]

I agree with changing the pic, as the power refers more to someone possessing extra arms rather than whats being shown as Nicos power.
She should still totally be the face of it like this

Did you already upload this picture to the wiki? If you did, what's the file name?

 

[Omnificence]

Nvm, I got it.

 

[Jinx666]

Ears and Heads dont count as Limbs

This power is specifically locked to arms and legs mainly, and an abnormal amount for whatever the species of character is based off. Though lets just for now focus on the characters who use multiple arms

 

[Arkenis]

You should add the most famous user Four Arms from ben 10 onto the character examples.

 

[Jinx666]

Yh, Four Arms as a good example of a character who naturally have 4 arms, or just Tetramands from Ben 10 in general

Feel characters like Goro (Mortal Kombat) and Tien Shinhan are also decent choices

 

[Omnificence]

Ears and Heads dont count as Limbs

This power is specifically locked to arms and legs mainly, and an abnormal amount for whatever the species of character is based off. Though lets just for now focus on the characters who use multiple arms

Yes, they do; they're appendages, but the word "appendage" is also a synonym for the word "limb".

See? The fingers are limbs, but in that case, they're also called appendages.

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

Goro and Sheeva from Mortal Kombat should be on the notable users