IX Shadows summoning for self annihilators:
So as ive talked about throughout the thread, the scans shown have not proven that self annihilators can freely summon IX shadows. Lets go through these scans one by one.
Many Self-Annihilators can summon them in quite a few ways.
The Doctors of Chaos believe that this tonic can work wonders when treating a patient's loneliness, but it also makes them grow increasingly hostile toward the doctors at the end of the process. Its side effects can commonly cause Self-Annihilators to behold the "Shadow of Nihility."
This scan doesnt say that at all? How can we infer what they mean by "Beholding a shadow of nihility" if the game itself doesnt give any details on what they mean by "beholding a shadow of the Nihility"?
Here's the definition of Beholding because all this implies is that they look at a shadow of IX
to perceive through sight or apprehension : see; to gaze upon : observe; —used in the imperative especially to call attention… See the full definition
www.merriam-webster.com
As we talked about before, this is just a comparison of their existence. this doesnt imply they summon them at all.
Perhaps, as the Self-Annihilators aimlessly traverse the cosmos, they are also casting the shadow of the Aeon around the universe.
this scan actually goes hand in hand with this scan as they both suggest that the self annihilator's existence is akin to a shadow of IX.
The Self-Annihilators' connections to Shadows of IX goes deeper than just a form of transformation. As theorized by Dr. Primitive, as Self-Annihilators aimlessly traverse the cosmos, they also cast the shadow of the Aeon around the universe. As for the few who can single-handedly withstand the encroachment of Nihility on their existences, their journey of self-annihilation is drawn out to infinity, and the road they walk is like a shadow of IX cast in the world. When the Doctors of Chaos created the Tonic of Efficacious Chaos, one of its side effects was causing Self-Annihilators to behold a Shadow of IX.
What that means we dont really know because the verse doesnt go in depth on it yet.
Acheron, through her power of Nihility and being a Self-Annihilator, can directly manifest the Shadow in a space.
There is no scan that says she manifested it.
This manifestation does not require displacement of targets into a separate domain or state within the Horizon of Existence, as the effect itself is an expression of Nihility's presence applied locally.
This is just blatantly wrong.
Aventurine was literally transported here by acheron
Acheron herself speaks of the horizon has if they went to another location
here it is again
So clearly this is a seperate "domain" from wherever Acheron and the target were prior
the wiki even describes it as a seperate space
It is depicted as an empty monochrome space with a walkable liquid surface, imitating the accretion disk of a black hole, and the black hole itself.
The BFR is not a necessary prerequisite for the Shadow of IX’s activation, since the phenomenon can be invoked directly as a manifestation of a Self-Annihilator's/IX's power. Of course, because she passively carries Nihility's effect, which becomes active and affects things after drawing her Blade, she can affect things around her with it and BFR them without needing to summon a Shadow. She can selectively control who gets BFR-ed as she did with Aventurine and the TB despite multiple people being around them. Even during her in-game abilities, it's not necessary for her to summon a Shadow to BFR. And because every other time a Shadow has appeared, there's no mention of the Horizon, it is safe to say that those two don't need to go hand in hand.
Yes and no. Lets go more in depth on this part.
The BFR is not a necessary prerequisite for the Shadow of IX’s activation, since the phenomenon can be invoked directly as a manifestation of a Self-Annihilator's/IX's power.
So, the shadow in the Horizon of existence wasnt created by acheron you'd need actual proof she created it because even the wiki seems to make it clear it existed prior to Acheron
Record Stamp: "Only Self-Annihilators can observe the Border." "None of those who were drawn by it have ever returned." ...These conclusions remain challenging to verify or falsify, potentially fabricated by History Fictionologists.
And shadows of IX dont really need to be activated since they're black holes, black holes dont really get activated.
Of course, because she passively carries Nihility's effect
This is true however this has nothing to do with a shadows of IX, its just
nihility powernull
Which becomes active and affects things after drawing her Blade, she can affect things around her with it and BFR them without needing to summon a Shadow.
Eh? I mean yea i guess most of her emanator power comes after she draws her blade the problem is that the game describes
space itself as a manifestation of IX so you're basically arguing she creates the horizon of existence
She can selectively control who gets BFR-ed as she did with Aventurine and the TB despite multiple people being around them. Even during her in-game abilities, it's not necessary for her to summon a Shadow to BFR. And because every other time a Shadow has appeared, there's no mention of the Horizon, it is safe to say that those two don't need to go hand in hand.
Whaaaaa??? The first half is true, she can control who goes there, the second half no no no. first of all you havent proven she can even summon a shadow of IX the BFR comes from
drawing her blade
And because every other time a Shadow has appeared, there's no mention of the Horizon, it is safe to say that those two don't need to go hand in hand.
Not every shadow of IX exists at the horizon of existence so this part is kinda pointless.
tl;dr: She can summon the Shadow without needing to BFR and vice versa.
sigh... scan?
Shadows of IX are explicitly described as "great black suns," while IX, being a black hole,
why does this link to the gravity manip page? IX is just purple goop at least from what we've seen in the simulated universe
IX resembles a large purple blob with two white eyes, with a large collection of asteroids and planets being pulled towards THEM. What appears to be THEIR body is a swirling nebula of magenta and blue stars enveloped by a large purple gas.
itself is consistently referred to as the Black Sun, Dark Sun, Pitch-Black Great Sun, and similar titles. Scholars further believe that regions where space-time curvature reaches its greatest extremes are Shadows of IX, directly associating them with black hole-like phenomena.
Because shadows of IX are usually black holes
Self-Annihilators are also stated to cast the Shadow of the Aeon throughout the cosmos, and the black sun orbited by Izumo is itself identified as both a black hole and a Shadow of IX. Combined with descriptions of Nihility engulfing entropy, time, and existence itself,
This isnt a black hole... this is Zephyro's white hole. The exact opposite of a black hole.
the narrative repeatedly presents these black-hole-like manifestations as expressions of IX rather than ordinary astrophysical objects. Therefore, the argument is not that every black hole is a Shadow of IX, but that the setting consistently links Shadows of IX to black holes and treats them as manifestations of Nihility. "Shadow of the Aeon" = Shadow of IX = Black Hole.
Now heres the main issue ive been repeating this whole thread,
not all black holes are shadows of IX. When a black hole is shown you will need explicit proof whether it is or isnt a shadow of IX. Baiheng used a "dark sun" to kill Shuhu, would we say she just had a shadow of IX in her pocket?
Sometime before the Sedition of Imbibitor Lunae, the Abundance Emanator Shuhu rallied a great army of the Denizens of Abundance to attack the Xianzhou Alliance. Baiheng, in her typical headstrong fashion, charged ahead and shattered the enemy's defenses, allowing the other Xianzhou soldiers to break through Shuhu's Sanguinary Abyss and awaken Dan Feng from his Dragon's Delirium. She sacrificed herself to save the lives of Jingliu, Dan Feng, and countless others on the battlefield, using a "sun" of absolute darkness that ground everything around it into the finest dust. She was dragged into a vortex of raw power, leaving only a tuft of her hair and a few drops of blood behind.
Some powers/elements belong to certain Paths. Black Hole creation belongs to Nihility and all Pathstriders of Nihility are Self-Annihilators. All Self-Annihilators can cast Shadows of IX so those two are the same thing. And just in case, I am not saying black holes can't be created through other means. However, those we've seen, other than Welt's, have all been Shadows of IX and came from Self-Annihilators.
So we actually only ever see one self annihilator create anything similar to a black hole and its zephyro... making a white hole.
So 1. you'd need proof this is a shadow of IX turned into a white hole
And 2. you still need explicit proof when a black hole is or isnt a shadow of IX because not all black holes are shadows of IX.
If you want more proof not all black holes are shadows of IX
