Accelerator vs Kurumi Tokisaki: The Redux

[Scrlk666777]

He was but Accelereator is crazy precise with his powers. I mean you are talking about someone who can use bioelectricity on humans and it not kill them, that scavanger girl.....boy....as the prime example. I mean of course he's not as precise with his powers as he is now but he was still scary precise nonetheless.

Anyway here's the quote.

"…I mean ******* come on. What am I supposed to do now? I guess the standard thing would be to silence the person who knows about this secret experiment, but that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. He's not some disposable doll. He's just a normal-…"

The most likely case was that he was trying to scare Touma.

Although I guess the quote doesn't really say he wouldn't try and kill Touma but that he doesn't like the fact that he might have to. I guess that could be argued. But either way he's not one that would opt to kill if the person is human.

 

[Scrlk666777]

And yes, the novels are canon over Railgun. Imo Railgun has kind of gone down hill.

 

[Accelerate420]

He was but Accelereator is crazy precise with his powers. I mean you are talking about someone who can use bioelectricity on humans and it not kill them, that scavanger girl.....boy....as the prime example. I mean of course he's not as precise with his powers as he is now but he was still scary precise nonetheless.
Anyway here's the quote.

"…I mean ******* come on. What am I supposed to do now? I guess the standard thing would be to silence the person who knows about this secret experiment, but that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. He's not some disposable doll. He's just a normal-…"

The most likely case was that he was trying to scare Touma.

Although I guess the quote doesn't really say he wouldn't try and kill Touma but that he doesn't like the fact that he might have to. I guess that could be argued. But either way he's not one that would opt to kill if the person is human.

Obviously his thought process changed since no normal person would stand there after a rock destroys a crane behind him and still tells the other guy to piss off. Would you view some dude like that as a normal person? I don't get where you get this, because, in that same volume, he quite literally attempts to kill Touma after the dust explosion directly since everything else didn't seem to accomplish much. He tried to scare him initially, and if he survived everything else, it would've worked that way too. But there's no way he was thinking 'Oh I'll just scare him' when he set off that dust explosion, because he was impressed that he survived it.

 

[Scrlk666777]

Of course his thought process changed, but no one is agruing against this but this thought process changed after he was punched and it caused him to have senory overload. Accelerator's pain resistence was extemely low at that point.

"He hurt. Accelerator automatically reflected all attacks, so that was an unknown sensation for him. To him, his senses on his skin were just sensors to send pleasure from his skin to his brain. His undeveloped pain sensitivity had almost no resistance to pain, so the intense signals felt like they were burning him."

It's not like Accel hasn't had to deal with others not backing down though, Touma isn't actually the first to do this. It's one of the reasons he has to constantly fend of attacks from thugs because no matter how much he tries to scare them or their friends, they still keep trying to attack him. I mean someone sees their friends defeated on the destroyed ashalpt, what do they do? Throw a brick at him. One tries to punch Accelerator and has his arm broken so what does another one do? Try to attack Accelerator.

Also he will use scare tactics more than once against a person especially if he wants to scare them. The Misaka Sisters are examples of this since the main reason why he took his time killing them was so he could scare them and make them show their emotions, which we know never worked because the Sisters had no idea what he was trying to do.

His scare tactics get more brutal until the point he feels his scare tactics don't work and then goes for the kill but to Accel the Sisters were just dolls, well at least that's what he convinced himself anyway.

Also as I said before Accelerator is crazy precise with his powers that he can do all of this and not kill anybody. I mean I guess he could have been trying to kill the scavangers, all those people when he and Kakine were fighting, those people in NT 7 etc. etc. etc.

 

[Accelerate420]

His action had been nothing more than the slight strike one would use on a
unreasonable child, but a great noise like a church bell resounded throughout the
switchyard. The steel rail bent into a shallow V-shape and flew straight for Kamijou like
a bullet.
"!!"
Kamijou frantically rolled and jumped away from its path.
Immediately afterwards, the crushed piece of steel pierced into the ground like a holy
sword in the exact spot Kamijou had been lying in before.
Kamijou thought he had just barely managed to avoid it, but the mass of steel weighed
hundreds of kilograms. When it struck the ground, it sent a large amount of gravel flying
into the air. It was like a meteorite striking the sea.

This was his third attack into the fight, first was the warning rock, the other was gravel stones, and then this.

Are you telling me that he purposely messed with the trajectory to make it easier for Touma to dodge or moved it lightly? Hell no. that would've creamed him. Like I said, Accelerator is playful about how he goes about things if you can't by-pass him at this part of his life, but he's near the deep-end to where adding another life to his list of deaths wouldn't phase him at the moment. Especailly after being insulted. What you quoted was from after Touma humbled him hard and I don't apply that. Usually for Pre-shot matches we go for him during the Sister-Phase of his life where he's on a power vendor (to make it easier to job).

 

[Scrlk666777]

Again, you are forgetting how precise Accelerator is with his powers. We have seen this plenty of times over the course of the series.

It would have phrased him though because to him he wasn't killing humans but dolls, although deep down he knew that wasn't true. This was all brought up in OT 5 when he was Last Order were talking, him not being phrased by killing a human would completely go against that conversation.

If what you said were true then Accelerator would have literally been beyond any chance of redemption. He would have been this pure evil killer that didn't care about life at all and he wouldn't have felt no guilt at all after realizing or rather admitting the sisters were human.

 

[Accelerate420]

And yet his actions go against what you said. Whether it happened 3 strikes, four strikes, or 5 strikes later, near the end of his toying he was fully intent on ending it where it was with his hands alone. Unless you're gonna tell me he was just gonna tickle Touma's nerves until he passed out. A clean up of the situation was needed and since Touma wasn't willing to back down, one more life wouldn't matter regardless.

Even if what you said is true, how does that account for the lives he has willingly taken after the fact? Even /after/ he got humbled by Touma, he was not against killing someone or taking human lives. At this stage he no longer knows what to believe when it comes to the clones and he has mentally tricked himself into believing power was what he wanted for him to cope with what he was doing. Sure, he likely would've felt guilty after the fact, but that doesn't change that he was literally TRYING TO IMPALE TOUMA. This is facts and undesputeable.

 

[Schnee_One]

Bump

 

[Schnee_One]

Bump

 

[Scrlk666777]

Right now, I'm leaning towards Accelerator. He has more wincons and I think it's more likely than not that he will use one of them before Kurumi goes back in time.

This is not me voting, yet, though.

 

[Schnee_One]

Which Kurumi though

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Is this just me or else feel that To Aru supporters always fight each other based from scrlk and Accel debate? Also bump!

 

[Accelerate420]

Is this just me or else feel that To Aru supporters always fight each other based from scrlk and Accel debate? Also bump!

...No? This is actually the first time Scrik and I had a disagreement. You might be looking with some bias.

Although the only time supports butt heads is when downplay happens in CRT's.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I'm not biased, i just curious/wondering after all, my bad

 

[Schnee_One]

Kurumi's win con is using Raisel to know who he was and where he is and paradoxing him.

UPDATE: Kurumi's Raisel got upgraded in the most recent volume with her now being given the ability to manipulate the future and what actions and events take place.

Not saying this gives her a new win con but it helps with stalling.9

 

[Accelerate420]

How does she manipulate the actions of Accel if she can't get him to do anything in the first place?

I'm probably misunderstanding the mechanics tho.

 

[Schnee_One]

You know how Magic Gods Manipulate the probability in their fights, like say enforcing an opponent will do X instead of Y?

Think that, but not as strong.

Basically it changes what events and actions will take place.

 

[Accelerate420]

Accelerator's actions in this phase of his life is pretty simple. I don't think there will be many options for her to change. Also, Magic gods don't exactly enforce what people will do. Just whether the outcome will be favorable for them and if attacks will have an effect.

Not sure this really does much since all of Accel's options will still be 1-hit kills after she attempts to stall and he starts to rush her.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

BUMP!!

 

[Schnee_One]

So...…….Apparently Kurumi;s type 4 Acasuality actually is combat applicable...……

What I mean is that I always assumed that the true Kurumi would die for an extended period of time before she comes back

Apparently she doesn't

For some reason this was not brought up last thread, so if anyone has no objections, Im closing this for being a stomp and removing the previous fight from both files

 

[Accelerate420]

Yes please.

 

[Schnee_One]

YEETUS DELETUS