Vietthai96
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Well because according to the AE page, Will, Thought and Emotion themself are abstract in nature, so it is the reason we arguing for AE Infinite Zamasu
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Abstract Existence Type 1 for Infinite Zamasu (STAFF ONLY)
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Like I said, I am no good with higher-dimensional powers like Abstract Existence and the like.
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@Vietthai96 it only mentions thought, not Will or Emotions.
Vietthai96
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Well yes, but again Will and Emotion also abstract
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I think that it depends case by case on how each fiction handles the issue. For example, DC Comics treats willpower as something tangible enough to create machines and force blasts from via the Green Lanters, but they do not generally manipulate abstract concepts as far as I am aware.
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They actually do. It was stated in blackest night and brightest day.
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I think a possible Abstract Existence could work. Powers like these give me a headache.
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It's not headcanon, its literally what is shown on the screen. Red and black energy that is the visual representation of Zamasu's will. This same energy that he can shoot out of his mouth from his sky face. So personally, the fact that we see him represented as literal energy plus he's supposedly bypassing the life cycle in DB by supposedly not becoming a soul (which wasn't stated to be destroyed) and skipping straight to something far more abstract creates a conflict of logic for me.
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Should we use "Possibly Abstract Existence" as a compromise solution then?
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How do you possibly have a power/ability? I thought that only applied to statistics that are potentially higher but lack sufficient evidence.
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There are a bajillion profiles with "possible" abilities. It isn't only restricted to statistics.
A character having a possible ability simply means there is evidence for said ability, but not 100% concrete.
(Sorry if it's derailing)
A character having a possible ability simply means there is evidence for said ability, but not 100% concrete.
(Sorry if it's derailing)
Vietthai96
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To be honest your argument is repetitive and circular, On the other hand because you present your argument again i also will debunk your argument this time.
1. Using visual indicator and artistic choice to debunk AE is really bad argument, with this logic i can debunk all other AE character because they have visual.
2. After Zamasu death, there is a moment before the red-black thing appear on screen, that also mean Zamasu's will have been there for a while before the whole red-black thing shot up. Not only that but also you claim that re-black thing is his energy, so if it is his energy then skip to the part where Trunks, Goku and Vegeta shot their combine energy blast, it must have damage him, but no, the combine energy blast just cause something like ripple effect like water surface, clearly indicated that IZ is metaphysical which is a trait of AE being, futher support Toei Timeline state that IZ being Zamasu's will. And don't bring the whole thing: "But IZ shot energy blast" again, not thing stated AE beign can't fight and shot physical energy blast
3. About soul, while nothing stated Trunks destroy his soul, at the same time nothing stated IZ was his soul, so you can't even prove IZ is his soul. and while we know after people die their soul remain but at the same time not nothing stated Supreme Kai follow this rule of mortal. And we don't even have a feat of Supreme Kai die, Old Kai not really die, he give his life to Goku but he still have physical body, just a halo over his head to remind that he a dead person, same with North King Kai. So we don't even know after Kai body got destroy, what happen to their suppose "soul". We we can't even prove that after Kai physically die, they still have soul left or it disappear - an unknown area.
So wrap up, Nothing can prove IZ is Zamasu's soul, while Toei Timeline stated IZ is Zamasu's will, and another back-up evidence is belong to an artbook of DB Disk which in a sense is official source. So there is no reason to disregard AE Infinite Zamasu. So please if you come back to debunk AE IZ again please have a new, better argument, i'm tired of repetitive thing.
So to the next point of this topic, and to be honest, i can't even debunk the Possibly rating to have a solid/full-blown rating either as the evidence come from secondary source which is Toei Timeline and an Artbook. And while there is no anti-feat and anti-statement in Anime, there is also no statement for IZ being AE in anime which is the primary source. So as much as i love to have a full-blown AE IZ, i don't have enough things to make this happen. So Possibly AE is fine to me.
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I don't think that any more Staff would bother to comment here, since 2 staff already agreed with "Possibly AE" I think we should just move on and apply the changes.
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The option is fine, to me.
Vietthai96
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Well if no more staff or member need to comment then i'm willing to apply the change
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Okay. I will unlock the page. Tell me here when you are done.
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Fusion Zamasu (DBS Anime)
Fusion Zamasu (合体がったい ザマス, Gattai Zamasu?) is a fusion born of the union between Goku Black (Present Zamasu in Goku's body) and Future Zamasu through the Potara earrings. Tier: 2-C, higher with Light of Justice, far higher with Gigantification | 2-C Key: Fusion Zamasu | Infinite Zamasu Name...
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Thank, i'm done, you can lock the profile and close this threadOkay. I will unlock the page. Tell me here when you are done.
Fusion Zamasu (DBS Anime)
Fusion Zamasu (合体がったい ザマス, Gattai Zamasu?) is a fusion born of the union between Goku Black (Present Zamasu in Goku's body) and Future Zamasu through the Potara earrings. Tier: 2-C, higher with Light of Justice, far higher with Gigantification | 2-C Key: Fusion Zamasu | Infinite Zamasu Name...
Vietthai96
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Supernatural Willpower mostly come IZ exist as pure will, cast his broken physical body away, Cosmic Awareness is because he merged with universe and make it his physical vessel, he should have the awareness of his physical vessel
Edit: shit i forget to add explaination for Supernatural Willpower
Vietthai96
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done, i already remove cosmic awareness and add explaination for supernatural willpower
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