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About Novel Kars and Dio

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I find it very hard to believe that Kars' own stands are that far below him. Stands are the manifested fighting spirits of their users, yes? I haven't read Jorge Joestar, but if he considers the stands to be viable weapons in battle then why wouldn't they scale to him?

Also, the justification for the AP and durability of Dio and Kars is a bit confusing, and I could easily see it be confusing to some newcomers here. I suggest we change Kars' AP reasoning to, more clearly, "Matched blows with Dio, who is capable of harming him", and change DIO's reasoning to "can damage Kars, who could survive the death of 36 universes". That way it's more clear and people won't go "muh circular reasoning".
 
There is a major issue with Kars' AP and dura reasonings in general. Surviving the natural death of the universe isnt a Low 2-C feat and nothing implies he tanked the Big Bang.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
There is a major issue with Kars' AP and dura reasonings in general. Surviving the natural death of the universe isnt a Low 2-C feat and nothing implies he tanked the Big Bang.
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I mean which universal death did JoJo go with? Big Rip and Big Crunch are both Low 2-C. The possible space-time boundback after Heat Death could also be Low 2-C.
 
They never say, it happens 36 times and they never say, and they also never say if this was through durability or Regenerationn either.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
They never say, it happens 36 times and they never say, and they also never say if this was through durability or Regenerationn either.
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Well if it is re-making itself it pretty much has to be a Big Crunch. Heat Death without a secondary Crunch would end the universe, but not restart it. A Big Rip would completely obliterate the space-time of the universe and make it impossible to restart. Also he would need at least Low-Godly to survive that.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
They never say, it happens 36 times and they never say, and they also never say if this was through durability or Regenerationn either.
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Are you saying the novel never said the universe ended 36 times?
 
@Weekly

As long as it restarted there is no way it isn't a Low 2-C event. That said it isn't know if he physically tanked it or just survived it via being incorporeal.
 
There is an instance of Pucci using MiH to loop the universe 36 times but I feel like I am missing context since the event happened more than halfway into the story.

But I did find that the Arrow house that Kars crashed through is not the Cube House(which is the living universe tesseract house)
 
When you guys are done debating this can we make sure that we cover my issue with the stands only being 8-B despite Kars being Low 2-C? I find it hard to believe that his stands are THAT far below him.
 
I really, REALLY wish that someone would actually follow through on my multiple request for the full novel so i can read it and get this cleared up instead of just going off of the snippits of text we're using now
 
Im give you the scans of how the universe ended but you still ignore it the hell weekly?


If we follow your way of thinking then that means that every character that survives the birth and the end of the universe but its not explained how was it should be downgraded?
 
You mean the scans i literally just posted above? Or the one scan of Pucci accelerating to the natural end of the universe?

Yes, they should
 
The one with Pucci,in the scan it shows that the universe got sucked down and after that a big bang happened.
 
I assumed we already didn't treat outliving the universe as a Low 2-C feat. It really can't be, can it?

Because the big crunch is just condensing all matter into a singularity. Certainly that's very high end 3-A, perhaps High 3-A, but is it really equivalent to the universe being destroyed entirely?
 
Because a Big Crush doesnt just condense matter but the space time in the universe intself (correct me if im wrong) Plus there is also the big bang wich is a low 2C feat when you tank the explosion in the center wich is in Kars case because everything got sucked in that point.
 
IIRC the explosion is just all of the matter expanding outward due to the spacetime continuum expanding outward again but I'm not sure.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
I really, REALLY wish that someone would actually follow through on my multiple request for the full novel so i can read it and get this cleared up instead of just going off of the snippits of text we're using now
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I still would like to have my issues about the stands not scaling to Kars be answered.

There's literally no reason for his stand to be 8-B when he himself is 6-B.

Also Jman mentioned how the universal resets happen in JoJo. Might want to give him a response.
 
Downgrading him to 6B?no that aint gonna happen,if he gets downgraded (wich he probaly will not) he still has a high 3A feat so he is just going to decrease one tier.
 
@Axl Denomite already found proof that the wall he damaged isnt part of the Cube House so no he wont be High 3-A
 
Well, that's one piece debunked but I do think Kars surviving the destruction and creation of the universe 36 times is a legitimate feat and something repeatedly pointed out in the novel along with the Jojo universe in the novel being something that loops when it ends rather than MiH being the direct cause of said loop.
 
Problem is they never say how he survived it and given both the lack of any other feat even remotely close to that level and the fact that he has multiple methods of surviving something like that that isn't through sheer durability means he almost definitely isn't anywhere above 6-B physically
 
Hmm I don't know, the haxxed to hell Kars isn't the only Kars to survive the universe loop, the 36 or whatever Kars also survived it and I believe they don't have anything to counter something like the loop when it comes to hax or regen but I'll have to look into that.
 
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