About Nappa vs. Goku & Possible Revision

[Kepekley23]

So, as proven above, we do sometimes rate characters a tier higher for effortlessly trashing a half-dozen of characters in the high-end of the previous tier.

And Nappa qualifies, so him being "Low 5-B, possibly 5-B" is justified in the context of VSBW.

Furthermore, Nappa is not half of Goku's power. They fought on even grounds, and the manga rather clearly supports Nappa rivaling Goku.

 

[Kaltias]

The question is, how far above the baseline are the Z warriors? Because the tier is decently big so thrashing many Low 5-B isn't necessarily enough to be 5-B

 

[Antoniofer]

That is due the calc being in the higher end of 6-C, and the difference between those tiers is only 23.25 times; same way between 5-C and Low 5-B, only 14.62 times, handle two 6-C makes you at least 2 times stronger than that level of 6-C. Meanwhile, the difference between Low 5-B and 5-B is 137 times, I may not the the result for Piccolo, but he is at the very most 11.7 times the fraction of 5-B; he could be stronger and that time, but with no reference beside Vegeta or Bardock, we don't known how much afar are they from Low 5-B

 

[Kepekley23]

@Kaltias

Early-Saiyan Saga Piccolo (pl of 400) is mid-end Low 5-B with a casual blast.

The Z-Warriors, in turn, are all above Raditz, who was four times Piccolo's power.

So they are pretty high-end Low 5-B.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Well goku fought and considered the fight needed Kaioken or itd take forever to beat Nappa at his current strength , it basically confirms comparability .

 

[Kaltias]

Do we have a calc somewhere?

 

[Antoniofer]

Do we have a calc somewhere?

Profile only redirect to NF, so not sure.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I'll grab the calculation .

 

[Kepekley23]

@Kaltias

Yes. Somebody in the OBD calc'ed Piccolo's moonbuster at mid-end Small-Planet level. I have 25 contribs, so i can grab it if you want.

The Z-Warriors are all 5-6 times stronger than Piccolo, making them high-end Low 5-B, and yet Nappa beats all six with no effort.

 

[Kaltias]

Having the exact result would be the best yeah

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

"Low End" Energy = 295 exatons

"High End" Energy = 7.357 zettatons .

High end seemed accepted .

Also recall another calulation . Abd i was right , the former had ab assumed timeframe (the one linked here but) .


The one the obd linked with an actual calculated timefrane . 83.2703 zettatons .

46.3787 zettatons .

37.4607 zettatons .

Even the lowest is 37 .

 

[Kepekley23]

@Kaltias

It's 7.357 zettatons.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

37 was the accepted one .

 

[Js250476]

I believe it's in the OBD's energy scale even

 

[Antoniofer]

So what was the accepted end, and its reason why it was accepted?

 

[Kepekley23]

37 zettatons is 75% of the energy required to planet-bust according to our chart.

Gohan's Masenko was 8.5106 times stronger than Piccolo's moon-bust.

Nappa being 5-B seems extremely, extremely plausible at this point.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

37 . According to the obd energy scale .

One we have assumed piccolo stood there with his thumb up his ass for an entire minute, the newer one had an actual timeframe .

 

[Kaltias]

If 37 zettatons is accepted, doesn't this make Raditz 5-B via being 4 times stronger?

 

[Therefir]

Does that mean Piccolo with Makankosappo is planet level?.

 

[Kepekley23]

@Kal

Don't know. If that's the case, the upgrades will be hilarious.

Using the 7 zettatons low-end for Piccolo's moon-bust and multiplying it by 8.5106 (number of times Gohan's Masenko is stronger than Piccolo's blast) yields low-end Planet-level energy. Nappa effortlessly bounced it back.

Tien is 1.8k in the Daizenshuu. Assuming that's the energy his Kikoho released as a low-end (since the Daizenshuu implies 1.8k is his normal energy) would yield 40.2510 zettatons, or really high-end Small Planet level. Nappa tanked that with barely a scratch.

I won't even talk about Piccolo (mostly because it contradicts the manga) being knocked down by a hit from a suppressed Nappa.

5-B Nappa is looking good at this point.

 

[Dark649]

I'm not that sure about these upgrades, Piccolo calcs varied from Low 5-B to 5-A, so we decided to use the Low 5-B for being the most consistent.

 

[Kepekley23]

Piccolo is 37 zettatons according to a more reliable calc in the OBD's energy comprehensive scale. The calc we link in his profile says 7 zettatons, or mid-end Low 5-B.

Even 7 zettatons supports 5-B Nappa.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

piccolo stood there for an entire minute ? Because the one we gotvassumed that .

The obd got an actual timeframe calculated .

 

[Therefir]

I think using an entire minute for the calc is exaggerate.

 

[Kepekley23]

37 zettatons is still Low 5-B, just significantly higher-end Low 5-B.

Both 7 and 37 zettatons support the revisions here. Nappa trashed 6 high, high-end Low 5-Bs and tanked attacks that could rip 4 high-end Low 5-Bs apart. We've used this logic to upgrade characters before, so it's justified in the context of our wiki.

Gohan's Masenko would be closing on 5-B and Nappa deflected that with no effort, too.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

But just realized , if we allowed anime timeframes and well ta already get my point . Itd be far higher than 37 .

 

[Kaltias]

I'm fine with 5-B Nappa. If 37 zettatons is accepted, I can see 5-B for everyone significantly stronger than Piccolo really.

 

[AKM sama]

10,000 = Planet level
530,000 = Dwarf Star level

I agree with this. Also "At least Low 5-B" for Nappa seems reasonable.

 

[Therefir]

Feats >>>> Databooks.

 

[Kepekley23]

I'm also fine with 5-B Nappa, obviously

I found the calc that puts Piccolo at 37 zettatons, and it's indeed more updated than the one we have in the profile. I feel like this is the bigger than we previously thought.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Yeah , got the timeframe off of freefall debris .

But , if we can put the anime of like 5 seconds , opposed to over 15 .

Which we can do now from site rules it would upgrade .

 

[Kepekley23]

Using the anime is pushing it.

The timeframe in the manga was calc'ed at 17.84 seconds.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I'm aware .

But we factually can do so within rules if nothing got contradicted .

 

[AKM sama]

If 37 zettatons is accepted, then I am also fine with 5-B Nappa

 

[Kepekley23]

Even 7.357 zettatons supports 5-B Nappa. At this point, i think this should be highlighted.

 

[Therefir]

Piccolo's speed use the timeframe calc'ed at 17.84, but for some reason the calc use a minute.

 

[Kepekley23]

Yeah. Since this is calc'ed, i don't think it's debatable.

This should warrant a pretty nice upgrade, and a definite 5-B scaling for Nappa, Goku and some others.

 

[Therefir]

Raditz too and Piccolo using Makankosappo

 

[Kepekley23]

Should this be highlighted? It is pretty significant.

Then again, it would probably become unmanageable with a highlight.

 

[AKM sama]

Can you summarize which all characters will be revised to what extent?