About Nappa vs. Goku & Possible Revision

[GenesisHero12]

Sorry about that.

I did find out that Piccolo trained Gohan for three years for the Saiyans. Piccolo destroyed the moon because Gohan became a Great Ape. Which means that Raditz is weak than Piccolo who trained for three years who did a Small Planet Level+ feat but, Raditz is stronger than Piccolo and Goku when he fought them which makes them a 5-C to low-end low 5-B before the battle with Nappa. Then Nappa would be at least low 5-B to 5-B and Goku after king kai's training and Vegeta be around the mid-5-B's.

 

[Kepekley23]

Piccolo destroyed the moon right after the fight with Raditz, not three years after.

 

[Huesito88]

Pretty sure Piccolo was looking out for Gohan and I'm pretty sure this Wasn't three years after radzit he didn't get any training done up until after Gohan turned into a great ape.

 

[Therefir]

Raditz is stronger than pre-training Piccolo, who have a low 5-B+ feat, so Raditz should be 5-B.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Wouldn't that make him around mountain to island level since a city is smaller than 1/43rd of the earth's surface.

It would, but like Kepekley23 said that's off topic and him doing it in one shot is questionable.


> Also, sorry, but the legitimacy of the El manga legendario guidebook is disputed, due to the fact that the last official DBZ guidebook was released in 2004, and this one is from 2008. So it could likely originate from fans.



I remember looking this up at one point. It's from a French publishing company called Hachette Book Group

 

[Kepekley23]

The credits should have mentioned that.

 

[Therefir]

That's good, some people would use that guidebook as counter argument, because it said that you need a ki of 10000 in order to destroy a planet.

 

[GenesisHero12]

Yeah I think you right because looked on youtube at it was Gohan's first day of training that he changed into a great ape so Raditz would be Small Planet level+ equal to Goku and Piccolo but, Raditz was shown to have faster reaction speed and combat speed compare to Goku and Piccolo that struggled to get a hit on him and it took them to using a strategy, skilled techniques and sacrifice to beat Raditz.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The credits should have mentioned that.

Yeah it's weird. Their website mentions the book. The entire thing just seems weird and sketchy

 

[Therefir]

*snip*

Planet level actually, Piccolo's feat is so high, that Raditz only needs to be 1.34 times stronger than Piccolo in order to be 5-B.

 

[Huesito88]

Equal? Raditz stomped both piccolo and goku and the only reason goku and piccolo defeated him was because the special beam cannon could increase piccolo power the lobger he charged it (the attack piccolo used was a casually attack when he destroyed the moon)

 

[Kepekley23]

@Qaw

I think that's just them selling it.

 

[GenesisHero12]

@Huesito88 Thats what I put on my first post about how piccolo changed his attack to be stronger than Raditz that why I scaled them at least one tier low than Raditz who is a low 5-B and Goku and Piccolo should be at least 5-C to possibly low 5-B since Raditz could of stomped them both.

 

[Therefir]

That's no how tiers works, Piccolo's casual feat is low 5-B+, so a charged attack should be stronger.

 

[Theglassman12]

Piccolo wasn't using his full power when he blew up the moon.

 

[Kepekley23]

Raditz is 5-B. Piccolo's moon-buster was Low 5-B+ and Raditz is four times his strength.

Piccolo's attack couldn't possibly be stronger than Raditz. It was a half assed, rapidly fired blast which had no effect on Piccolo's stamina. The Special Beam Cannon, which was stronger than Raditz, took Piccolo minutes to amp.

 

[Therefir]

Raditz is 5-B. Piccolo's moon-buster was Low 5-B+ and Raditz is four times his strength.
Piccolo's attack couldn't possibly be stronger than Raditz. It was a half assed, rapidly fired blast which had no effect on Piccolo's stamina. The Special Beam Cannon, which was stronger than Raditz, took Piccolo minutes to amp.

But he did casually right?, maybe Piccolo should be 5-B directly.

 

[Qawsedf234]

@Kepekley23 I think the thing was from some aniversey of the manga in France. They made a bunch of figurines and the guidebook-thing came out with them. A few other French sites mention them making both. The entire thing though is just strange. A foregin company making a guidebook for the series?

 

[Theglassman12]

But he did casually right?, maybe Piccolo should be 5-B directly.

How would that make him planet level? His power level isn't close to 10000 when he fought nappa.

 

[GenesisHero12]

@Therefir Than Piccolo and Goku would be a 5-B and Radtiz would be superior to them and Nappa who is superior to a three year trained Piccolo who should be a mid-5-B and a Post King Kai train Goku vs Vegeta would be around the Planet level+ or possibly very low-end Large Planet Level.

 

[Kepekley23]

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/...ish-guidebook-content-interresting-read/2.htm

Voice of Reason wrote:

The copyright tag for "2007 by BIRD STUDIO/SHUEISHA Inc." is possibly from a Kanzenban volume that was printed that year, which is where they would've gotten those manga panels and texts to use in their magazine.

Since there were no Japanese databooks released in 2007, it wouldn't likely originate from one. The last manga-specific databook would've been Dragon Ball Forever released in 2004. And after looking it over, it doesn't appear to contain any info relevant to what you just posted. So it's likely this guidebook and the info contained therein originates from some Spanish fans, and therefore, means no more than the opinion of anyone on this forum.

And:

When looking at the scans you posted above for the foreign translations of official guidebooks, you can see that they provide the name of the original Japanese guidebook along with the detail of "First published in Japan in [year]". Those Spanish credits do not contain these details. Even if they did originate from some Japanese publication, it could've been done by some Japanese fan, and not in some official capacity.

The thing that makes your info seem out of the ordinary from your typical official Japanese guidebook, is that they normally don't go into that great of detail with this subject matter unless your name is "Goku".

 

[Huesito88]

Funny enough piccolo used the exact same attack he used to destroy the moon and it did nothing to Raditz

 

[Therefir]

How would that make him planet level? His power level isn't close to 10000 when he fought nappa.

The 10000 thing was debunked, did you even read the thread?.

 

[Huesito88]

Actually doesn't piccolo wear training weights?

 

[Therefir]

He did the feat while wearing those clothes then?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Thanks for the information Kepekley23. So like you mentioned, the 10k number comes from a untrustworthy source and shouldn't be used.

 

[Theglassman12]

He did the feat while wearing those clothes then?

Yeah, but without it hardly gives him as much of a boost as kaioken did.

 

[Kepekley23]

Piccolo being Planet-level normally is pushing it. Small Planet level+, yes, but not Planet-level. That's only with the SBC.

 

[Therefir]

Piccolo only needs to be 1.34 times stronger and he is planet level.

 

[Kepekley23]

He is not 1.34 times stronger without his weighs, though. Only 23%.

 

[Therefir]

But he did that feat casually right?.

 

[Kepekley23]

Yeah, but that's not the point. With the SBC, he is 5-B. Without it, he's not.

 

[Theglassman12]

Yes, but blowing up a moon casually=/= being baseline planet level

 

[GenesisHero12]

Than Piccolo and Goku battle with Ratiz Small Planet level+, Raditz low-end of Planet Level, Piccolo and Z-fighter after 3 years of training low-end of Planet level, Nappa close to mid of Planet Level, and Goku Post King Kai training and Vegeta mid to higher end of Planet level possibly the lowest end of Large Planet level with Goku's times four Kaioken and Great Ape Vegeta.

 

[Therefir]

Yes, but blowing up a moon casually=/= being baseline planet level

Piccolo blowing the moon is almost baseline planet level.

 

[Kepekley23]

Very close, but not enough for him to be 5-B without his weights IMO.

 

[Therefir]

*snip*

Probably Goku from the beginning of Namek would be Planet level+ or Large Planet level with kaioken x10.

 

[Huesito88]

Piccolo basically uses the same attack in the following, but with very different amount of effort

Piccolo uses both hands to try to hurt Raditz

http://www.***********.net/dragon-ball/195/19

Piccolo use one hand for the moon

http://www.***********.net/dragon-ball/208/10

 

[Huesito88]

Probably Goku from the beginning of Namek would be Planet level+ or Large Planet level with kaioken x10.

We assume he can only go up to kaioken times 4

 

[Kepekley23]

What Piccolo used against Raditz was the Bakiri Hama, King Piccolo's strongest attack.