about god of destruction feat...

[HrishikeshM]

it is written in their profiles that "should any two GoDs fight, the collateral damage will result in the destruction of their respective universes."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr3Q27F5bqI @1:47

this is a 2-c feat. previously it was not known if they were able to affect spacetime or not, so they were placed at 3-a by default... but now we know the truth so they should automatically become 2-c...because destroying 2 universes without even attacking or targeting the universe itself...just by side effects of their fight...as collateral damage...is 2-c

 

[Anonimoe7875]

No, the gods never showed the hability to affect space-time, they are Low 2-C because they are scaled to Infinite Zamasu.

 

[HrishikeshM]

they are low 2-c which obviosuly means they can affect spacetime...doesn't matter if they have shown it or not, this site considers the former to be true

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Not every Low 2-C can affect space-time, where did you get that from?

 

[HrishikeshM]

Universe level+: ("Low 2-C") This is for characters who can destroy and/or create the entire 4-dimensional space-time of one universe, not just the physical matter within one.

 

[Moathon]

3-A means destroying all the physical matter in the universe, something the Hakaioshin are currently capable of doing.

Low 2-C to 2-C: Destroying Time and Space in a universe, reducing everything to nonexistance, even things such as time and matter, not just the matter itself, which only characters with time manipulation are the only ones capable of this in the series.

 

[HrishikeshM]

i know that...currently the gods are low 2-c as per this wiki...not 3-a

>"which only characters with time manipulation are the only ones capable of this in the series."

and this is wrong...you don't need time manipulation for being tier 2

 

[Moathon]

i know that...currently the gods are low 2-c as per this wiki...not 3-a
>"which only characters with time manipulation are the only ones capable of this in the series."

and this is wrong...you don't need time manipulation for being tier 2

You need to be able to rewrite time and space to be Tier 2. Zen'o erased Future Zamasu, someone who became infinite in size and had powers extending beyond his own timeline. Thats why Zen'o and Zamasu scale to 2-C. Then you have Jiren who's power is so great even being frozen in time itself could still move through his sheer willpower alone, which also scales to Goku making him and Goku 2-C as well. Those that can bypass the laws of Acasuality and manipulate Time and Space are 2-C characters.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

>bypass causality is 2-C

Then explain why Sol Badguy isn't 2-C?

 

[HrishikeshM]

this is about ap, not hacks

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Universe level+: ("Low 2-C") This is for characters who can destroy and/or create the entire 4-dimensional space-time of one universe, not just the physical matter within one.

Again they aren't Low 2-C because they did some feat, but because they are scaled to a Low 2-C, Like Frisk who is 2-B even through they never destroyed a multiverse.

 

[HrishikeshM]

exactly my point. so now we know for sure that gods can destroy spacetime as well, while previously it was assumed by default that they could not.

so their feat which was 3-a previously due to lack of evidence is now 2-c because now everything is clear cut.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yeah no. Pretty sure this was also brought up before and rejected for the same reason. There's no affecting space-time here. They're Low 2-C because of IZ, nothing else.

Besides, im pretty sure 2 people destroying 2 universes, y'know a shared feat, still isnt 2-C. For one there's 0 clarification on how long it would take to destroy it and since its 2 people doing it the value would still be Low 2-C each if anything.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

The value would be cut in half, which would be 2-C still, as cutting the value in half is impossible. Like how being double low 2 kinda still not solid 2-c .

 

[HrishikeshM]

being capable of destroying 2 universes just by fighting in only one of the universes as side effect when you are not ever attacking the universe itself, would still yield a much higher result than low 2-c if we apply conventional methods. just like how destroying only 1 universe through combat yields a value far higher in the multi galaxy scale, almost nigh universal.

but conventional methods can't be applied i think, therefore what jman said.

can you link to the thread where it was discussed?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Nah he was right , had been duscussed and thrown out .

But honestly better arguments could have been done on both sides .

 

[HrishikeshM]

i am just asking for the link to the thread so that i can see which side had better arguments because it is a clear cut 2-c feat

 

[HrishikeshM]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask Matthew to comment here if you wish. I have been wondering about this myself, but am the wrong person to ask.

 

[AKM sama]

I've been thinking about this too. It is same as Zeno's feat, but instead of 12 only 2 universes are getting destroyed here. Still 2-C though.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Just like plenty have said, the feat is 3-A or Low 2-C at best. Specially since it takes 2 GoDs to do it.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. It seems like a borderline case though.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Maybe.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

The value would be cut in half, which would be 2-C still, as cutting the value in half is impossible. Like how being double low 2 kinda still not solid 2-c .

Im pretty sure it wouldnt. Like, at best, maybe being a good level of low 2-C each. Effecting 2 universes space-times at all in itself is a baseline 2-C feat and the fact it takes 2 GoDs at once to do it makes it even worse. Even characters here who do it solo only get baseline from feats like this.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

GoDs are Low 2-C via scaling to a guy who was actually shown to be able to affect space-time, something the GoDs have not yet been shown or suggested to do. This does not mean every feat they perform now is automatically affecting time and space even if nothing states it to be doing so.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Azzy summed it up.

 

[Antvasima]

Well evaluated, as usual. I suppose that we should close this thread then.

 

[Kepekley23]

I agree with Azzy.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yeah this thread should be closed now.

 

[HrishikeshM]

then why is zeno 2-c? because of destroying 12 universes when nothing suggested anything about spacetime?

 

[HrishikeshM]

this is nitpicking because dragonball never makes a difference between a universe bust and a spacetime bust...by that logic everyone would be 3-a or low 2-c from scaling

 

[HrishikeshM]

i mean you cannot cherry pick and assume that zeno was able to destroy spacetime and beerus cannot when the show never tells it to be different...so either zeno is also low 2-c through scaling from zamasu or gods are 2-c because of the same reason as zeno...

 

[PaChi2]

Is everyone sure that this statement isnt referring to the fact that Zeno would erase the universes if two GoD fought? Because it seems weird to me that if, say, Belmod fought Beerus, why would U11 be affected when it isnt even the closest to U7.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

i mean you cannot cherry pick and assume that zeno was able to destroy spacetime and beerus cannot when the show never tells it to be different...so either zeno is also low 2-c through scaling from zamasu or gods are 2-c because of the same reason as zeno...

Except Zeno straight up kills a guy who is merging with space-time. This isn't even remotely comparable.

 

[HrishikeshM]

so killing a guy who is low 2-c warrants a 2-c rating?

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

nope. Zeno nuke the timeline with the other universes and can do that as stated so he is 2-C. Ofc he can kill a low 2-C guy with ease its just not the reason why he is 2-C.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Zeno casually erased a Low 2-C who was merging with an entire timeline. We know Zeno's erasure affects space-time. That is why.

Beerus and Champa are scaled to Low 2-C for being suggested to be at least somewhat comparable to Infinite Zamasu. This does not mean they could also somehow merge with a timeline or affect it on the same scale.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Want to point out Zeno was 2-C before Zamasu.

He's 2-C for reasons I don't understand to be honest.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, as far as I remember, Zen'o was stated to be capable of making all universes themselves cease to exist in an instant.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Want to point out Zeno was 2-C before Zamasu.
He's 2-C for reasons I don't understand to be honest.

His rating fluctuated for a while due to no one knowing how to properly quantify or rank him.