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About Acasuality (Type 4)

Verses can do what they want, but I don't see why that'd be some sort of hard cap especially with how one can have multiple axes of time (with causality being a concept inextricably linked to time). If you want stuff that gets acausal 4 for nearly all of Destiny for example, I can post some stuff in a little while for you to see examples.
 
Yes but there can be different degrees of not being affected by Causality Manipulation, and different ways of not being affected by Causality Manipulation that can make characters immune to some Causality users but not others.

You could break Immortality down to just "Can't conventionally die" but that's a little too broad to be useful.
 
Antoniofer said:
To make it simply Acausal is just being immune to Causality Manipulation: immune to fate? acausal; coincidence and probability? acausal; ignoring laws? acausal; did you killed my ancestor? who cares, I'm acausal. Effects vary from simply not being affected by a paradox to being immutable; so if the character have any of that then it qualify as acausal, is not covered by the types? then explain it yourself (actually, this is more important).
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This is only more reason to separate by types. All this diverse stuff falls under acausality? You'd think it'd be more sensible to categorize in a more specific manner to make things more apparent.
 
I see Type 4 as sort of like the normal Universe being MacOS. A change or effect on MacOS wouldn't affect someone using a Windows system; hence why changes to Causality, Time, whatever to MacOS wouldn't do anything to a Windows User. What the specific difference is and how they interact with the Universe depends on the verse, but point is the being is running on an entirely different OS than the "normal" Universe and as such isn't affected by it.
 
That's why I suggested example of what woukd make someone acausal, being immune to paradoxes and fate the most common. But by our current types, people that its immune to probability and destiny do not qualify as acausality cuz you can meet the character in the past or future by time travel.
 
That's only a requirement for type 2 (and usually 5 but that's its own thing) though. People also aren't considered acausal due to being immune to fate. Some acausalities grant this, but just someone being said to be immune to fate would get a resistance.
 
I mean, why would be immune to fate not grant acausality (even if limited) when being immune to paradox grant acausality (despite being limited aswell). Our Fate Manipulation page even said its a type of Causality Manipulation (subpower I would say), and by being acausal (no type specified) makes you immune to it.
 
It was just easier to class TPI as a type of acausality while doing the split because why not

And again, you can be immune to fate or causality for reasons unrelated to being acausal. Resistances are still a thing. I think GiverOfThePeace explains it pretty well with that analogy
 
That maybe be true, fate immunity being subpower of acausality have sense, but why it do not apply to type 1 Acausality?

Also, the reason why would be better to not divide Acausality into types is cuz its pretty broad compared with, let say, immortality, as causality its the basis of superpowers, naming any possible uses would be tiresome.
 
Because type 1 is making you being immune to the changes in the past. Fate Manipulation is altering the future.
 
Welp, if that how the users want to stay then ok, isn't like a character's power depends of the general idea of power, they don't depends of it. I would still suggest to explain how the power works rather than a simply "type x", cuz as you see, it generate confusion.

By the way, @ProfessorKukui, are you satisfied by the answer so we can close the threas, or any other doubt?
 
  • "Verses can do what they want, but I don't see why that'd be some sort of hard cap especially with how one can have multiple axes of time (with causality being a concept inextricably linked to time)." - Wokista [1]
If Time is linked to causality. What about verses that only have 1 dimension of time only the 3+1D??? (i hope i said that right) and a character "Transcends the very concept of time itself"

if causality is a concept inextricably linked to time.... Transcending the concept of time for that verse would be Type 5 Acausality???
 
Transcending time would makes you immune to Causality Manipulation, but only those that its related to physics in general (as its what wikipedia says, "causality cannot occur between an effect and an event that is not in the back light cone of said effect"). Causality is not necessary physical.
 
That on its own wouldn't be enough for acausal 5 because we want more proof of the stuff insinuated by such a power.
 
Explicit statements that they exist outside of cause and effect, or explicit statements that because they transcend time that they're virtually impossible to interact with.
 
It also helps to display characteristics befitting of such a status. It's really rare outside of 1-A.
 
Does it need to be so specific for fiction with the "Impossible to be interacted with?" could it be possible for a character have some sort of Enhanced senses to be able to percieve them, and talk to them(Or possibely some other ability that allows this)??

The whole acausality system is confusing for me at least, imo...
 
That depends of the verse, due Acausal type 5 is generally reserved to 1-A, and those characters can hardly interact with anything.
 
Pretty much. They still gotta behave like that. For example, I got it on Oryx, the Taken King (Yeah I use my profile a lot but it's a great explanation for a lot of ridiculous powers especially with how azathoth scrutinized it.) I made a thread specifically on this and didn't even end up using everything i had, but I had a rather large amount of sxans describing the acausal nature of him and others, direct statements of weapons designed for beings outside causality still failing, statements that a being of a comparable nature to him was "not bound by any system of reason or causaliry", stuff like nobody being able to properly simulate him, precog him, and general Vex ineptitude against him, and that time where someone just straight up says that Oryx defeated causality with his will. Point being, I needed quite a bit in a verse that already has most people on type 4. If you're trying to get it on a specific character, best go make a thread.
 
So from what im understanding with Type 5... For a Non- 1-A Character to have that rating he needs, and must strictly and only be, a statement of, or relating to, "transcending causality?"
 
Not exactly but basically.

The more broken something is, the stricter the requirements to prove it are, and Acausality Type 5 is very broken.
 
What no not only that did you see how much other stuff i had to get for support so the thread wouldn't just be dead in the water? They gotta display properties that we ascribe to type 5 to qualify.
 
Antoniofer said:
By the way, @ProfessorKukui, are you satisfied by the answer so we can close the threas, or any other doubt?
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No im still having doubts. I still do not completely understand what people mean by "different systems of cause and effect and such".

By "different systems" are people saying this is something thats for the individual in question?
 
Means the individual doesn't abide by whatever is considered standard causality in verse. Can be a lot of things so explanations are good.

If you care for yet another Destiny example because I just know how much we all love hearing about that verse, the destiny group could probably formalize a definition of "paracausality" that we equate to type 4 and give scans as an example
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
No im still having doubts. I still do not completely understand what people mean by "different systems of cause and effect and such".

By "different systems" are people saying this is something thats for the individual in question?
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It doesn't just have to be for the individual, it just has to be different from normal causality.

Do you want examples? Because some have been linked in the thread already.
 
Antoniofer said:
That depends of the verse, due Acausal type 5 is generally reserved to 1-A, and those characters can hardly interact with anything.
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It absolutely isn't reserved for 1-A, don't know where you're getting that from
 
I said generally, so there's exceptions. At the end, if not 1-A, then depends if is despicted as unable to interact with others or not.
 
What are you still confused about
 
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