A Wild Last Boss Appeared Discussion Thread

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

 

[Enter_Bluey]

And if she did start like that...well ruphas would still be 1-B ig not that it matters

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Memes aside take as much time as you want, make a new and better cosmology blog, whatever.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I don't even think the cosmology would change besides the final point which is great since we have the cosmology at around 6 or 7D. It's just a no limit realm that acts as a blank canvas to everything.

What may do as well tho is see about their transcendence since might be viable here. Since infinity is one to alovenus, there are always higher infinities, and she will be an infinity above it. Where ascending a higher dimension is pointless against her. So in order for Ruphas to actually reach her level, she had to reach an infinite infinity. Kinda like climbing up the ladder of higher infinities to reach infinite^infinite. Then they start to fight. Think this would make the 1A final point more solid as well

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

Their transcendence was actually just a matter of strength, the most solid argument for them being 1-A was affecting the Endpoint itself, because currently Final Point is Low 1-A structure.

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

I've also made the cosmology blog

 

[Enter_Bluey]

That basically explains most of it

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

I've also made the cosmology blog

Outverse level...

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

Outverse level...

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I've also made the cosmology blog

Most quotes are from the LN, interesting

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Mostly the same exact thing as the WN.

I find the creating a concept above the infinite interesting though, cause that would clearly be uncountable infinity, and we know they can keep ascending to higher infinities.

Their transcendence is clearly in terms on uncountable infinities.

The endpoint is an infinite void, that has no concept of size or time exists, and thus any level of "size" can be inserted in it.

1-A looks good to me, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

The Endpoint is indeed a 1-A structure, but it was treated as Low 1-A here due to the transcendence of Alovenus and Ruphas.

No matter how high they ascended and even cracked the Endpoint, it still brought up dimensions within themselves and it's not compatible with the Tiering System, which then the Endpoint is treated as the extra space of their transcendence, which is Low 1-A since it can insert any level of size within it. This is the reason why they cant be 1-A.

In fact, the End Point acts as a container that beyond concepts even the concept of higher infinity, and the gods are the source of everything (concepts, laws, spaces, times, dimensions), they create their creations within the Final Point, like painting a canvas with their colors, which is obviously 1-A.

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

I've updated the blog with new evidences.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

In the crt I would probably explain the arguements and then link this blog since it basically has everything. Maybe link some scans to highlight key points but yeah

Mostly the same exact thing as the WN.

I find the creating a concept above the infinite interesting though, cause that would clearly be uncountable infinity, and we know they can keep ascending to higher infinities.

Their transcendence is clearly in terms on uncountable infinities.

The endpoint is an infinite void, that has no concept of size or time exists, and thus any level of "size" can be inserted in it.

1-A looks good to me, but that's just my opinion.

The concepts above the infinity thing I agree could help as well. It would also help alovenus start low 1A. Infinity =1, building up to infinity to comparison to 1 is more higher infinities beyond until infinite^infinite.

So concepts above the infinity could correlate to how their transcendence along with those higher infinities

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

What's even the argument for starting at Low 1-A? Ruphas and co reach the realm of Alovenus, but are far inferior, and it's not until they realize they can also do the same thing, willing themselves stronger, that Ruphas vs Alovenus can start in proper.

So the argument i am guessing is that Alovenus is infinite^infinite above them, and this is in terms of uncountable infinities, as that's what Ruphas stats changed to, and thus Low 1-A?

Where do Ruphas and co start then, 1-B via tanking Alovenus 100 fold universe transcending universes?

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Yeah Ruphas would be 1B, up to 1A from the hundred fold universe thing. Similarly to benetnash and orm, they start 1B still

Basically alovenus starts superior to them, and in her long winded explanation she says things like going to a higher dimension is pointless against her, she is just the infinity above it. Infinity before her is just 1, and there are higher infinities(like 2, 3, 4) up to infinity. So to actually reach alovenus, ruphas had to ascend and become infinite^infinite. Basically what you said, alovenus is an infinite^infinite above them. She just toys around and makes those 100 higher universes because she can

Also questioning where benetnash and orm would be when it comes to a 1A upgrade. But imo they would stay the same Tier and not get changed

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I mean, the 1B rating she already has now is solid enough tbh.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I mean, the 1B rating she already has now is solid enough tbh.

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

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[Celestial_Pegasus]

Also questioning where benetnash and orm would be when it comes to a 1A upgrade. But imo they would stay the same Tier and not get changed

Depends, is halfway to 1-A still 1-A? Or just very high into Low 1-A, idk, leaning towards the latter.

Like Ruphas they could have caught up to Alovenus before any ascension shenanigans, but beyond that is an endless struggle for the peak of infinity, they would stop halfway there.

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

They would be Low 1-A possibly 1-A i guess

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Below 1-A baseline but still 1-A

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

Below 1-A baseline but still 1-A

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

But i prefer them to be Low 1-A at peak since they don't even affect the Endpoint

 

[Enter_Bluey]

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Depends, is halfway to 1-A still 1-A? Or just very high into Low 1-A, idk, leaning towards the latter.

Like Ruphas they could have caught up to Alovenus before any ascension shenanigans, but beyond that is an endless struggle for the peak of infinity, they would stop halfway there.

In this case, they would stop half way on the ascension to destroying the final point probably. This seems to be something ruphas had to do to actually force through alovenus's ability. So they'd probably just be infinitely/very high into Low 1A. Kinda like climbing incredibly high, but not reaching the higher roof which ruphas and alovenus break through and continue growing passed

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Below 1-A baseline but still 1-A

Imagine...but these type of characters I don't think could ever be "below baseline" in the Tier they reside in tbh

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

After reading this thread, I thought maybe we should separate Alovenus' key, so she will stay 1-A initially then the transcendence key will start from 1-B, Low 1-A to 1-A

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Wdym by this? It would be 1-B up to 1-A | 1-A

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

1-A before transcendence

1-B to 1-A for the settings transcendence

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Still kinda confused wym by separating the keys for Alovenus..like she starts 1A but the settings a labeled from 1B? But that wouldnt be for her if thats the case

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

she starts 1A but the settings a labeled from 1B?

She exists in the endpoint, and that will make her 1-A because she has the same nature as the endpoint.

Then the transcendence would allow her to transcend her opponent and ascended to higher dimensions which starts from 100 dimensions and this will make her at least 1-B.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Chlammy how is she going from 1-A down to 1-B she is downgrading herself...

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Chlammy how is she going from 1-A down to 1-B she is downgrading herself...

Dimensionality Manipulation

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

Chlammy how is she going from 1-A down to 1-B she is downgrading herself...

I mean, like this

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[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

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[Enter_Bluey]

I mean, like this

I don't think we need a key for the transcendence/settings. She starts off a certain way, Ruphas ascends to that level then they grow from there. That would be like tiering a low 1-C character 2-B because they create structures below them to mess with a 2-B character

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Dimensionality Manipulation

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

 

[Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl]

Or should it be:

Hyperverse level, up to Outverse level (While dealing with intruders who entered her territory, Alovenus imposed settings on them where she trapped them into supergiant universe by creating a universe that was transcended by another which was in turn transcended by another, repeated a hundred times. Where the universes were something like programs installed on a computer. There was a lot of saved data, each datum being a separate parallel world. Once someone left a universe, they would find countless more universes, or programs, all collated within folders. If looked past those folders would find that the folders were themselves contained in more folders. Past that, many more like them would be found if someone were to leave the computer itself. Merely believing she is stronger than her opponent makes her so, she can insist infinity is just 1 before her and there is another infinity behind that and if her opponent manage to surpass that she will just add another layer settings of infinite on top of pre-existing settings, she used the opponent as footstools trying to set her as the absolute powerhouse in the fight and thus they engaged in an everlasting struggle continuously transcend into higher infinities. And as an exchange of their attacks result many higher dimensions were destroyed, eventually cracked the Endpoint itself which is a transcendental world of nothingness that is completely outside of everything and encompasses all universes, dimensions, and parallel worlds. Acting as a blank canvas where the gods can constructed their concepts, laws, providences, and restrictions just as they would paint over it according to their desires and wishes)