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A proof that Sonic is 5-A

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The 7.2 Yottaton result is from Eggman's ship after draining the power of the Chaos Emeralds from Super Sonic, not the Egg Dragoon. It's technically a feat for the power of all seven Emeralds + Eggman's tech, which is >>> base Sonic.
 
I agree with Azzy, it wouldn't scale to base Sonic but rather Super Sonic, who already scales to feats higher than 5-A
 
@Cal

Probably, yes. 4-A is pretty high-end for Super Sonic, as he usually becomes around the Tier 5 range, iirc.

Just kinda weird to find out how to phrase that tier without it sounding awkward.
 
Why don't we just have the Tier as just plain Varies and then a Feats section for all the levels he can be at? With the justification pointing to it, of course.
 
I thought we scaled Super Sonic to that one Satellite weapons that Eggman has, since the Chaos Emeralds should be far superior. Also, iirc, Super Sonic usually stomped most of the final bosses except for Solaris and was portrayed as invulnerable to them.
 
They still only do push back and zero damage to Super Sonic with their attacks. The only way to loose said fights is to run out of rings AKA time limit.
 
In all honesty, that's by far the highest Super Sonic scaling feat that isn't straight up Tier 2, and it's offscreen and a single line. He's usually either Tier 5 or Tier 2, and very rarely anything in between that.
 
I'm honestly not a big fan of variable tiers, and the only reason he has the 2-C rating is Chaos Emeralds having a bonus effect against beings of pure evil. I'm fine with At least 5-A for Super Sonic though.

Though, given the AP revisions for Tier High 5-A and above, this calc might need to be redone. Chaos Emeralds should also be superior to that, but should only scale to Super Hedgehogs of course.
 
I don't know about the Chaos emerald having a tier 2-C rating just because a being is pure evil. I mean wouldn't that make both dark Gaia who is 4-A and really isn't evil just does what he was made to do destroy all life so light Gaia could recreate it and what about chaos as well who only used the negative chaos energy but is only 5-A.
 
Dark Gaia is the embodiment of Darkness in the verse,he should be tier 2

Phantom King should also be tier 2 based off the nullspace feat & the Ruby affecting other dimensions

Solaris should return to 2-B because Maginaryworld is a place of dreams & Chaos Emeralds turn dreams to reality which where used by Mephiles/Iblis & could turn that entire realm physical theoretically speaking

Time Eater should be 2-C for affecting many timelines since Iizuka stated the verse takes place on 2 different worlds & because it affected non-existent timelines(Crisis City)

4-A low end is fine since no other bosses other than the 2 that have misconceptions about their tierings could harm SS

Just some thoughts
 
Theres also the misconception that an enemy has to have rage/evil for Chaos Emeralds to work at their max power except Time Eater wasn't even sentiant ergo it can't know what moral alignment is & Egg Wizard was using The Jeweled Scepter/Power of the Stars which have no evidence of using Rage or Evil to amp itself. Solaris also used the positive energy of the Emeralds since they weren't drained when they were located in the rift,so this notion should be dismantled.
 
Dark Gaia is not tier 2, the Wii version is the canon version of Sonic Unleashed iirc. Solaris was already discussed and agreed to be downgraded to 2-C by multiple staff members.
 
How is the wii version canon over the xbox 360 and ps3 version. And I agree with AD INFINITUM 444 that the whole chaos emeralds reach their full power only if the opponent is evil as in that case metal sonic should be 2-C and so should black doom.
 
Except Solaris and Time Eater were literally the only times in the series in which the Chaos Emeralds actually gave Sonic and the others all of its power. Super Sonic only had a small portion of the Chaos Emeralds powers when fighting Dark Gaia, same with Shadow beating Black Doom.
 
Well then that really doesn't make since seeing as time is only low 2c while Solaris is 2-C, and if that is the case then what about the egg wizard who is also above time eater. And we don't know whether the emeralds gave him some or all of his power because it never says so.
 
What I am saying is that if we go off the fact that the Chaos emeralds only use their full power when the opponent is evil that would mean that biolizard, black doom, metal sonic, and other bosses should be upgraded to 2-C.
 
Dark Gaia is the embodiment of Darkness,Night, & Destruction,it has existed since the dawn of time therefore it is an abstract being that needs to exist in the verse,it's tier 2 for intents & purposes.
 
Maginaryworld is composed of dreams,the same concept that gives emeralds their power,it also contains the 4th dimension(time) which Solaris was consuming,the staff's reasoning was that Shuffle is non-canon or that Maginaryworld wasn't part of the physical multiverse.
 
@Cal

Dark Gaia is abstract,it NEEDS to exist & it has since the dawn of time & it makes sense since it alongside with Solaris,Phantom King, & Sol Emeralds are the only beings that have harmed Super Sonic outside of siphons.
 
Hurting a variable is nothing special, btw. And Super Sonic having chances to lose along with having various recoils means that he is indeed being hurt, despite the game mechanics saying otherwise. Heck, if that were legit, we'd have to bring back the time limit for Super Sonic.
 
I still don't get how we're to treat Super Sonic level characters with no feats of their own, or things meant to always be stronger than Super Sonic (like Hyper Sonic)
 
AD INFINITUM 444 said:
@Cal

How so? It's existence is fundamental to the balance of the verse itself.
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Because it died, and those concepts still exist. It's not like Lucemon, where it can only go if the concept it embodies goes, nor is it like Dialga, where if it goes, the concept it embodies goes with it. Dark Gaia at best represents those concepts, or was born with it/is the god of it.
 
Ryukama said:
I still don't get how we're to treat Super Sonic level characters with no feats of their own, or things meant to always be stronger than Super Sonic (like Hyper Sonic)
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The latter is non-canon, so that's not a problem.
 
@Cal

But it didn't die,it was sealed away in dormancy alongside Light Gaia which are both essential to the existence of light & darkness,they're abstracts.
 
Still. You're gonna need a heck of a lot more proof than that to garner abstract existence (Dialga and Palkia have far more embodiment beliefs and they don't have it), and that alone still doesn't have anything to do with tier 2.
 
Ya but the thing is dark Gaia is pure evil. So going by the statement that the emeralds can only be tier 2 if the opponent is evil is false.
 
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