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I don't see how it's hard to read keys at the bottom, you can just... You know... Scroll down
Plus I still prefer them at the bottom anyways
Plus I still prefer them at the bottom anyways
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a problem with keys
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not wanting to get confused by the misplacement of litral identifiers and having to read the page more than once to understand ≠ being lazy
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I don’t understand how he’s being lazy. He’s trying to make the profiles more organized
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"It would be redundant. It would be unnecessary."
You can equally say it's unnecessary to have it on the bottom especially when it makes debating actually more difficult, given people have to move from abilities, to which keys have which, back to abilities, up down up and down. It's more organized to have them in the fashion Infiniti showed, especially how it junctions with the tiering itself. Yes, people will still have to scroll down to read abilities, but at least knowing which key is which tier would be much much easier when going through the abilities itself.
I'd also say you're just as lazy for not wanting to put the effort in to making a more streamlined experience for the users who browse the profiles just because you 'like it'. Now I don't know much about coding, but I assume it's not actually that difficult to move the line of code that makes up the 'key' portion. Though you would have to do this site wide and that would indeed take effort.
I actually always had problems myself with having to move back and forth due to my disability making it hard for me to concentrate with all the movement I have to do on the page.
Simply put, I can think of this being more beneficial than there are cons to do it. If you can give legitimate cons to moving it besides that 'I like it. It's unnecessary' then by all means.
Or... maybe you're just lazy.
You can equally say it's unnecessary to have it on the bottom especially when it makes debating actually more difficult, given people have to move from abilities, to which keys have which, back to abilities, up down up and down. It's more organized to have them in the fashion Infiniti showed, especially how it junctions with the tiering itself. Yes, people will still have to scroll down to read abilities, but at least knowing which key is which tier would be much much easier when going through the abilities itself.
I'd also say you're just as lazy for not wanting to put the effort in to making a more streamlined experience for the users who browse the profiles just because you 'like it'. Now I don't know much about coding, but I assume it's not actually that difficult to move the line of code that makes up the 'key' portion. Though you would have to do this site wide and that would indeed take effort.
I actually always had problems myself with having to move back and forth due to my disability making it hard for me to concentrate with all the movement I have to do on the page.
Simply put, I can think of this being more beneficial than there are cons to do it. If you can give legitimate cons to moving it besides that 'I like it. It's unnecessary' then by all means.
Or... maybe you're just lazy.
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i think some people missed the point of the CRT
no, this isn't for us to just read the keys and tiers, this is to make us read it one time
because as accelerate said, many people can't concentrate and have to read through the page multiple times going up and down to understand, has nothing to do with laziness
i did consider disagreements before i make the CRT, there's not a single thing all people agree about, but come on, i thought there would be a better reason to disagree, simply "liking it" is never valid, we all know for a fact that keys don't belong there, why were they put there in the first place
or the other reason, being "unnecessary" while it is very necessary, for reasons listed above, keys are identifiers that belong on the top to make pages more organized, they're more like the name and classification part
being "redundant" part was already answered in the CRT itself, it's unnecessary to apply everything at once, pages like anos and dragon ball and other verses that gets updated every while, should get their keys in the process of applying changes
verses that's so outdated like digimon, DC and SMT are already getting a massive versewide CRTs, the change can get applied then
I'm pretty sure moving the keys is easier than linking dozens of scans and writing walls of text
no, this isn't for us to just read the keys and tiers, this is to make us read it one time
because as accelerate said, many people can't concentrate and have to read through the page multiple times going up and down to understand, has nothing to do with laziness
i did consider disagreements before i make the CRT, there's not a single thing all people agree about, but come on, i thought there would be a better reason to disagree, simply "liking it" is never valid, we all know for a fact that keys don't belong there, why were they put there in the first place
or the other reason, being "unnecessary" while it is very necessary, for reasons listed above, keys are identifiers that belong on the top to make pages more organized, they're more like the name and classification part
being "redundant" part was already answered in the CRT itself, it's unnecessary to apply everything at once, pages like anos and dragon ball and other verses that gets updated every while, should get their keys in the process of applying changes
verses that's so outdated like digimon, DC and SMT are already getting a massive versewide CRTs, the change can get applied then
I'm pretty sure moving the keys is easier than linking dozens of scans and writing walls of text
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“I thought there would be a better reason to disagree, simply "liking it"
Well I like it better at the bottom, so why would I support it being at the top? This is a completely subjective thing that you are trying to say is objectively better another way
But I just don’t agree
Well I like it better at the bottom, so why would I support it being at the top? This is a completely subjective thing that you are trying to say is objectively better another way
But I just don’t agree
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Yeah but example if you want to do a VS only using the profile and want to do a good job you gotta travel alot and know where the keys are to considerate with the tiers and it gets more convuloted trying to know what key have specific hax and yeah it will be a massive change but the change is so miniscule that you probally can do the change in a profile in less that 10 seconds
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i did reply to this multiple times, read through the thread please
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To make a VS you will always have to read the profiles first, unless you are one of those who do stomps or spite, so yes or yes you will have to read the entire profile and so no matter where the keys are, it is easier for the staff to focus on things truly relevant to the wiki that in this that just because they are lazy to read the profile they want to simply change the keys place... Okay are guys ready to change a total of almost 20K profiles.
i did it, and i disagree
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that's really shows that u did not read through the thread...
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you really seem that u didn't, anyway I'll put u in the disagreement section
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It isnt tho is far easier to see what tier is in what key if they are literally together
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It is subjective, you are saying it looks better another way, I am saying it looks better the way it is
Having to scroll down a little to look at the keys is not a hinderance
This is not something worth changing every profile on the wiki
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even though it would be effortless
but okay, i have already put you in the disagreement section
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Not everything is subjective. There are objective aesthetics to web design and this is one of them, but suit yourself.
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Obviously certain people will always have different preferences.
It's simply not intuitive to have the keys at the bottom, because it often means you have to scroll all the way back up to line up a key with its tier.
This is something I've complained about silently to myself on this website since I joined. So, for the record, I do think at the top makes more sense.
Changing every page to reflect this would obviously be a ridiculous amount of work, but such a small change doesn't really require much technical knowledge, or really knowledge on any page: regular users could do it on any page they come across with a simple cut and paste.
It's simply not intuitive to have the keys at the bottom, because it often means you have to scroll all the way back up to line up a key with its tier.
This is something I've complained about silently to myself on this website since I joined. So, for the record, I do think at the top makes more sense.
Changing every page to reflect this would obviously be a ridiculous amount of work, but such a small change doesn't really require much technical knowledge, or really knowledge on any page: regular users could do it on any page they come across with a simple cut and paste.
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Mitch is right and doesn't "It makes difficult to read the keys at the bottom" is more like a personal opinion rather than something legit that would improve the wiki overall I don't see why such a big change should take place.....tho personally myself I don't have any problem with it being on top or bottom.
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I know what the problems are with keys you always be looking for them lol 
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people who agrees are more in number, besides the lack of reason for them to stay at the bottom
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1. It's being efficient, not lazy. Although - little tangent here - laziness is often times what drives progress. In ways, progress is an investment for future laziness, or rather comfort.
Like the References Section.
2. No comment, although I suppose we would say we like the suggestion better due to 1).
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1. Was that philosophy there?
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Heh, perhaps.
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I agree with this its always been really annoying
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