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A Non-Controversial TR CRT (yay)

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Basically reworked the most skilled character in the TR verse;

Senju Kawaragi

Here is the old profile compared to the new profile

Here is what changed;
  • New abilities
  • Better Intel
  • Stats rework
  • Optional equipment
  • Stamina downgraded
  • LS upgrade
  • Gallery
 
I'm trying to push this rq, this has been in the back log for far too long
 
There's already 3 TR threads open
Up to three active content revision threads can be open for any verse. If three active content revision threads are in progress, the community must conclude one before creating a new one.

So one of those have to conclude first
 
There's already 3 TR threads open


So one of those have to conclude first
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I had this in my sand boxes for too long, i want to push it before the downgrades because then i will get lost on where she will scale :cry:
 
Her AP should be at least Wall level instead of just Wall level if she's massively upscaling the 9-B feat, why she massively upscales him should be listed in the AP justification as well

Same thing with her speed, both values should be an at least value (well depending how much she upscales the Subsonic+ travel speed) and given a listed justification why she's scaling massively above it

Should capitalize the C in Chapter for the references too

Everything else seems fine
 
Her AP should be at least Wall level instead of just Wall level if she's massively upscaling the 9-B feat,
Done
why she massively upscales him should be listed in the AP justification as well
Done
Same thing with her speed, both values should be an at least value (well depending how much she upscales the Subsonic+ travel speed) and given a listed justification why she's scaling massively above it
Done
Should capitalize the C in Chapter for the references too
This will take awhile ;c
 
without unlocked potential shes like takemichi lvl, so, u gotta fix that cuz being one of the three deities dont mean anything when u charge at south and get one shot, and can only hit him off guard
 
There's already 3 TR threads open


So one of those have to conclude first
Closing it temporarily.
 
Ngl I'd work on the wording a bit. It seems very oversimplified and grammatically incorrect.
For example
Upscales massively Souichiro
Should probably be reworded to something like
"Is far stronger than Soichiro…"

Same with speed
Upscales Izana
To something like
"Is faster than Izana…"

And LS
Upscales massively Choji
To something like
"Is far stronger than Choji"

Also the H in "higher" usually isn't capitalized - it's neither a name nor the start of a sentence.

This probably more a thing of preference, but for the values the box is usually called "Notes/Explanations" or "Statistics Values". So naming it "Where she scales" isn't inherently wrong but it's less consistent with other character profiles on the wiki.
 
Ngl I'd work on the wording a bit. It seems very oversimplified and grammatically incorrect.
For example

Should probably be reworded to something like
"Is far stronger than Soichiro…"

Same with speed

To something like
"Is faster than Izana…"

And LS

To something like
"Is far stronger than Choji"

Also the H in "higher" usually isn't capitalized - it's neither a name nor the start of a sentence.

This probably more a thing of preference, but for the values the box is usually called "Notes/Explanations" or "Statistics Values". So naming it "Where she scales" isn't inherently wrong but it's less consistent with other character profiles on the wiki.
😭

Gimme a moment to fix it
 
Done;

For the statistics tabber, i prefer to keep the way it is, i feel like it looks prettier, but if people want the usual way, i can change it back no problem
 
Done;

For the statistics tabber, i prefer to keep the way it is, i feel like it looks prettier, but if people want the usual way, i can change it back no problem
I'm not saying to change the color or anything, I'm just talking about the name of the tabber. Either way ig it's up to you, I'm just saying what's usually the way profiles name it.

Anyway I read through a bit more.
I'm not sure info analysis really fits the scans provided. It doesn't really fit. I think it might be better to just replace the accelerated development with reactive evolution in this section:
Accelerated Development and Awakened Power (Training and Battle: Physical Attributes and Skill - Able to overwhelm South despite being overwhelmed herself by him a moment prior[2])
I'm also unsure about training being affected. Are there any statements or feats suggesting she has training based AD or a general AD that's not just the reactive awakened power kind tied to her realizing her full potential?

In the Striking Strength section you still have 1 capitalized H.

It might also be good to link a scan of her tanking Souths attack in her durability section.

The intelligence section can also use a little tweak. First of all, move the martial arts stuff to her P&A justification for Martial Arts. We don't use it for intelligence ratings anymore.
Secondly, the sentence "Showed to be a…" sound awkward and unnatural. Might be good to change it to something like
"Senju is a…"
Or maybe something like
"Senju was consistently shown to be a…"
I think that makes it sound more natural.
Plus maybe add some additional intelligence feats if you can since otherwise it might seem a bit short without the martial art stuff.

I lpromise these are the last nitpicks
 
Gimme me a sec

I think i might be able to argue for some abilities there
 
For AD (training)

It's mostly because as a child she was undefeated in her training grounds which i believe there were adults who also trained with her

For battle

It's pretty much her potential being unlocked, upon unlocking it, she now has AD (Battle), Awakened power along with info analysis and reactive evolution due to her now being able to counter attacks she couldn't prior

Zefra mentioned that she required to have South's moves analyzed to some extent to make proper counter attacks, hence why we decided to add info analysis for her

Edit: Fixed some stuff, i'm searching for the others

Edit 2: Added scans for her durability
 
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For AD (training)

It's mostly because as a child she was undefeated in her training grounds which i believe there were adults who also trained with her
If so it'd be good to add a scan for it.
For battle

It's pretty much her potential being unlocked, upon unlocking it, she now has AD (Battle), Awakened power along with info analysis and reactive evolution due to her now being able to counter attacks she couldn't prior
Do we know if unlocking her potential grants a one time jump in capability or if it boosts her growth rate?

If we do a scan of it would definitely a good addition
Zefra mentioned that she required to have South's moves analyzed to some extent to make proper counter attacks, hence why we decided to add info analysis for her
That'd be analytical prediction not info analysis. Well depending on what exactly they mean by having his moves analyzed, but this just sounds like standard anapr rather than info analysis.
Edit: Fixed some stuff, i'm searching for the others

Edit 2: Added scans for her durability
Nice
 
If so it'd be good to add a scan for it.

Do we know if unlocking her potential grants a one time jump in capability or if it boosts her growth rate?

If we do a scan of it would definitely a good addition

That'd be analytical prediction not info analysis. Well depending on what exactly they mean by having his moves analyzed, but this just sounds like standard anapr rather than info analysis.
By analyzed, i meant she analyzed his fighting style not predict.. i don't think it's ANPR personally

For AD, mabye not stats now that i think about it.. might be just skill given she unlocked info analysis and RE? i can remove it tho
 
And now that i look at it

I might downgrade intel, doing business at age 16 is impressive, but it's not like it needs to be gifted level..

And stamina, there is no above average stamina, so i think i will change it to athletic level
 
By analyzed, i meant she analyzed his fighting style not predict.. i don't think it's ANPR personally
Can you send the scans here? Because on paper, being able to avoid someone's attacks because you analyzed their moves sounds like anapr.
For AD, mabye not stats now that i think about it.. might be just skill given she unlocked info analysis and RE? i can remove it tho
Maybe? Personally I dropped TR before she was introduced so I'd have to see scans. I'm speaking mostly from the wiki side of things here.
And stamina, there is no above average stamina, so i think i will change it to athletic level
Honestly beating 100 people even if you simply one shot them should probably be at least peak human if not breaching into superhuman. Especially given they were pretty spaced out meaning she had to cover large distances while maintaining high speed.
 
Can you send the scans here? Because on paper, being able to avoid someone's attacks because you analyzed their moves sounds like anapr.
The problem is that it's not stated anywhere the events happen like this;

South vs Senju - Senju Jumps at him - South hits her - Senju Unlocks her talent - South punches again - She dodges and counters
Maybe? Personally I dropped TR before she was introduced so I'd have to see scans. I'm speaking mostly from the wiki side of things here.
Added her statement of being unbeaten as a child in her AD section
Honestly beating 100 people even if you simply one shot them should probably be at least peak human if not breaching into superhuman. Especially given they were pretty spaced out meaning she had to cover large distances while maintaining high speed.
Eeeeeeeh, i ain't sure about this, i will ask Zefra, he is the one who came up with it and he is more knowledgeable about TR than me
 
That honestly makes it a bit worse because this could be explained through a simple stat boost.
Assuming we interpret it as being done through skill and not stats would still make it likelier to be analytical prediction.
Added her statement of being unbeaten as a child in her AD section
Nice.
Eeeeeeeh, i ain't sure about this, i will ask Zefra, he is the one who came up with it and he is more knowledgeable about TR than me
Sure.
 
Honestly beating 100 people even if you simply one shot them should probably be at least peak human if not breaching into superhuman. Especially given they were pretty spaced out meaning she had to cover large distances while maintaining high speed.
I believe not. Actual peak human feats. Even IRL fighters can surpass a thousand punches in a single match, meaning they also take hits from comparable opponents and have to keep up with mental stress and pain. Also, the fight area wasn't THAT big, they met at the centre.

Running around and kicking 100 times while having fun and likely not even using 100% of your AP hardly fits Peak Human.
 
That honestly makes it a bit worse because this could be explained through a simple stat boost.
Assuming we interpret it as being done through skill and not stats would still make it likelier to be analytical prediction.
I would honestly argue it's both given circumstances..

If it helps, South is still superior even after she unlocks, it's just that she just slightly evens out the stat disadvantage?
 
Running is really not comparable to this feat ngl. They're 2 completely different kinds of movement, one being many high speed short bursts and the other being a slow sustained movement.
Also not really comparable. For one, boxers get breaks between rounds and the record is a 12 round match.
Secondly in boxing even light taps are considered a "punch". Basically feeler punches that have no force behind them and just lightly tap the opponent in an attempt to bait them into action (you can literally find the fight in YouTube and see how often they put basically no force behind their punches).
You can throw a thousand of those over an hour with breaks easily but that's not nearly the same as running around a battlefield and doing crazy highkicks strong enough to OHKO your opponents 100 times with no breaks.

What Senju did had way higher intensity than both of the "peak human" feats you mentioned. If anything I'd say that the human world record for most punches being so low with such favorable setting compared to Senjus situations actually supports Senju being either peak human or baseline superhuman.
meaning they also take hits from comparable opponents and have to keep up with mental stress and pain. Also, the fight area wasn't THAT big, they met at the centre.
That's still pretty massive compared to a boxing ring. Especially given during the boxing match the 2 fighters.

Looking at the scan in the profile the distance between any 2 opponents seemed comparable to if not bigger than a boxing ring
Running around and kicking 100 times while having fun and likely not even using 100% of your AP hardly fits Peak Human.
Speed blitzing and one shotting 100 opponents absolutely does.
It's not like Senju can hold back her chakra or Ki or something to preserve her energy by moving at exactly the minimum level she needs to in order to hit KO them. Given she literally sends them flying away as well as everyone calling her a monster it seems pretty clear she was either going all out constantly rathe than somehow staying exactly 1% above each opponent or something.
 
I would honestly argue it's both given circumstances..
I really wouldn't. Info analysis almost always if not always requires some sort of verbal acknowledgement.
If it helps, South is still superior even after she unlocks, it's just that she just slightly evens out the stat disadvantage?
Helps the anapr case but not info analysis. And honestly without any supporting statements even that is pretty weak of an argument tbh.

Unless there's more feats than what's in the profile for this
 
That's still pretty massive compared to a boxing ring. Especially given during the boxing match the 2 fighters.

Looking at the scan in the profile the distance between any 2 opponents seemed comparable to if not bigger than a boxing ring
Only in the first scan, in many others, you can see a lot of people within meters.

Your points might work if we could know she was actually giving her best. But given the difference in tier, people calling her a monster and sending people flying fail to prove that. She could do all that while holding back. She doesn't even have to be as precise as you described, but already holding back makes the feat much more unquantifiable. We also have to consider that she is doing it completely unbothered. In an actual fight, you take hits and feel pain; you also have to keep up mental performance. She ain't doing anything, there's not a single thought in her little head, she's just going with feeling, nor is she feeling any pain. Even doing "her best" is questionable; is she giving her absolute best, or just "her best" she can output constantly? Was she sprinting at absolute top speed for all that time? Because people can actually react to her moving here and there, just not to her attacks.

Also, now that I look at the scans, we know she just beat more than 50 opponents. The timeframe is also unquantifiable; for all we know, she could have taken breaks in between, even if short. If you argue she did all that in a single go, then she clearly didn't fight for much time. IRL a single boxing round lasts 3 minutes.
 
Only in the first scan, in many others, you can see a lot of people within meters.
The first and last scans are the only 2 showing wide shots of the battlefield. I think the close ups that are meant to show the goons are scared kinda mischaracterize how wide they're spread out for the sake of showing them scared.
Your points might work if we could know she was actually giving her best. But given the difference in tier, people calling her a monster and sending people flying fail to prove that. She could do all that while holding back. She doesn't even have to be as precise as you described, but already holding back makes the feat much more unquantifiable.
Like I said the "holding back" argument doesn't work. Firstly, there's literally no evidence she's holding back.
Secondly, she has no way of effectively measuring her strength and lowering it to exactly where she can OHKO blitz people while minimizing stamina usage.

And lastly, the gap really isn't that big. We see fodder delinquents can pose a threat and take hits from higher tier characters all the time. Draken for example took heavy damage from a baseball bat from a fodder and was clearly worn out from fighting a handful of no name delinquents.
Hell Hanma believed 100 fodders from Moebius can take down Mikey alongside a Draken weakened by said fodders AND 2 more people. And Hanma literally blocked a kick from Mikey like 1 page before this so he absolutely should know how strong they are.

So the AP and speed gap definitely isn't nearly large enough for her to just chill and conserve stamina. She absolutely should need to put in a significant amount of effort into her blows to OHKO them and everything implies she does.
We also have to consider that she is doing it completely unbothered. In an actual fight, you take hits and feel pain; you also have to keep up mental performance. She ain't doing anything, there's not a single thought in her little head, she's just going with feeling, nor is she feeling any pain. Even doing "her best" is questionable; is she giving her absolute best, or just "her best" she can output constantly? Was she sprinting at absolute top speed for all that time? Because people can actually react to her moving here and there, just not to her attacks.
Being carefree doesn't really matter ngl. Yeah she's obviously not taking hits but she's still performing acrobatic jumps and whatnot to one shot everyone effectively.

Again using the Moebius scene as a reference point, if 100 no name delinquents are a threat to Mikey, unless she dwarfs him in stats she definitely shouldn't have the opportunity to hold back enough to preserve stamina.
Also, now that I look at the scans, we know she just beat more than 50 opponents.
She just stopped counting after 50 and believes it was close enough to 100 anyway. And previously declared she'll take on the 100 which also implies she's capable of doing so.
The timeframe is also unquantifiable; for all we know, she could have taken breaks in between, even if short.
Do you genuinely think the army of enemies surrounding her will just let her take a timeout when she's out of breath? That sounds a bit silly to me ngl.
If you argue she did all that in a single go, then she clearly didn't fight for much time. IRL a single boxing round lasts 3 minutes.
Time isn't actually important here, which is the main reason feats like waking for 80 hours are so misleading. What matters is the amount of strain she put on herself.
Technically an MFTL+ character can run around the planet 100x in less than 1 second, but you wouldn't say it's below average human stamina because they only moved for 1>~ second.

Obviously a subsonic character fighting other subsonic characters is going to be shorter than normal boxing matches between irl people. But the amount of actual strain she takes during that time can still be as high if not way higher.

So I think peak human can probably work and only way it wouldn't is if we made a bunch of assumptions.
 
the line in the manga is slightly different. It’s more of an exaggeration on her part, since it comes shortly after the 13 KOs, and later she says she lost count after 50 delinquents.

I don’t think it’s something that goes beyond human limits, considering that the possible punch volume is higher than what the statement suggests, Up to about 30/40 hit for round. She could have taken down multiple delinquents with a single strike, characters weaker than her do this constantly and quite effortlessly. Wakasa, who has a fighting style similar to Senju’s, is able to make his way through the randoms rather quickly.

The distance covered is a vague point; in some panels there are 10 or more people all together, with others not far away, so I don’t think she traveled much distance.
 
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the line in the manga is slightly different. It’s more of an exaggeration on her part, since it comes shortly after the 13 KOs, and later she says she lost count after 50 delinquents.
I doubt it's much of an exaggeration given she literally counted 50, kept fighting, and believed it's close enough afterwards.
If she knows about how much effort and time 50 people took and still believes she got close enough to 100 it gives credence to her statement being literal.
I don’t think it’s something that goes beyond human limits,
Hence why I said peak human should be fine.
considering that the possible punch volume is higher than what the statement suggests, Up to about 30/40 hit for round.
This is the same issue I brought up before. Punch counts in combat sports count everything from a light feeler tap to a full strength max effort punch.

You can't compare standing still and lightly tapping someone to running to a person at full speed and throwing a roundhouse kick to OHKO them.
She could have taken down multiple delinquents with a single strike, characters weaker than her do this constantly and quite effortlessly.
We haven't seen her do so as far as I've seen, and in wide shots of the area characters were not closed enough to each other.
Wakasa, who has a fighting style similar to Senju’s, is able to make his way through the randoms rather quickly.
This doesn't really tell me all that much ngl.
The distance covered is a vague point; in some panels there are 10 or more people all together, with others not far away, so I don’t think she traveled much distance.
I addressed this already. Small panels meant to show emotions show them together, but actual wide shots of the battlefield show they're relatively far from each other and most are actually also fighting someone else.
 
I doubt it's much of an exaggeration given she literally counted 50, kept fighting, and believed it's close enough afterwards.
If she knows about how much effort and time 50 people took and still believes she got close enough to 100 it gives credence to her statement being literal.
The number 100 is often used in TR and not in a literal sense. “A lot” could also be 20 people, since that’s not a small number; the point is that it remains hypothetical regardless. Using something like “many more than 50” or "or nearly 100" sounds much more accurate to me.

Hence why I said peak human should be fine.
I agree with considering them at least on par with pros IRL.

This is the same issue I brought up before. Punch counts in combat sports count everything from a light feeler tap to a full strength max effort punch.
In the table, the 30/40 hits are listed as power punches, they’re not light. I only mentioned these things to say that there is nothing beyond human capability.In matches, taking hits makes you get tired; she has only been striking. It’s not entirely comparable in that respect

We haven't seen her do so as far as I've seen, and in wide shots of the area characters were not closed enough to each other.
It’s more a case of disbelief, I think it’s irrelevant since it’s chaining; if characters clearly inferior to her can do it, then it follows that she can as well. It’s a physical ability, and it’s evident that it requires little effort.

I addressed this already. Small panels meant to show emotions show them together, but actual wide shots of the battlefield show they're relatively far from each other and most are actually also fighting someone else.
The framing sometimes makes areas look large and other times “smaller.” They’re not all in the exact same spot, but in many areas a lot of people are clustered together, and the constant random bowling is clear proof of that. I simply don’t think she covered large distances like 2km. It’s not hard to find 10 delinquents close to each other, especially since they’re surrounded by them.

I generally agree with you, but with a slightly lower estimate. Something like: "I agree, but..."
 
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