Yes it would, infinite universes also means infinite gaps between them, thus making for infinite 5-D space. Yet that's not enough. It must be uncountably infinite 5-D space. Maginaryworld is infinite, yes, but that's not the same as an uncountable level of infinity
The only proof of this is just the fact that they're projected onto screens. Again, objectively speaking, this is not enough for a higher dimension. In fact, I personally don't even consider that debatable
gaps as in.......what direction? That is important, merely having universal height but 0 lenght wouldn't give any tier, for example
not what is said in the Tier System faq, it simply needs to be non insignificant in size, no idea where you got uncontably infinite from
they are not project on screens, that is how they look like from 4DS perspective
Yes, it is, a screen projection is 2D by default, that isn't debatable, just look at the screen in front of you right now, why not go for the simplest amswer of what the statement is talking about rather than trying to think arround more convoluted options when said options are not omce hinted in the game?
And i do, so
What? I'm talking about the space between universes. That space is 5-D, as mentioned, and an infinite multiverse would have an infinite amount of such spaces - thus being an infinite 5-D structure. But clearly, that's not enough.
Except it very much implies it with its emphasis on needing to be big enough to contain uncountably infinite universes, thus resulting in uncountably infinite 5-D space.
Okay
Except it's stated that these are just projected onto a screen. Therefore, it's just a representation of these spaces, rather than the spaces themselves. It's clear then that this isn't a higher dimension, but rather, it's extrapolating info that's never said to claim it's a higher dimension than the likes of Cyber Space and the Egg Field
Yeah.............but do they even have any lenght, height, width, etc, it existing an infinite ammount of those is not really an argument when the nature of such spaces is unknown, even with an infinity of them we don't know of they would still be of any "size" in spatial sense, do they have height? Lenght? Width? We don't know, thus not tierable
no? That part is talking about a completely distinct thing from the axia between space times.......i don't even understand how you could connect both when one has nothing to do with the other
yeah, that is how they look from 4DS perspective.......why show this again when it is already in the OP?
nope, it is said that these are the dreams the cast has been traveling through, with Lumina making that more clear explaining how these dreams are part of what makes up 4DS
Ok? You can think this, but the reasoning you have for this is.........directly wrong per what the game shows and tells us
This is not a proper rebuttal. Of course they have length, height, width, why do you think they're 5-D spaces?
Not enough, otherwise 2-A wouldn't be a thing at all
And what do you think it implies if the only way it's significant is if it can house an uncountably infinite number of universes?
Prove that they're actually flat instead of just being projected as such. If you can't do that, your argument falls apart. Shake mentioned there might be something of the sort, so I'm waiting to see how legit that is
The dreams being part of it just means Maginaryworld is a greater 5-D structure than the likes of Cyber Space and the Egg Field, which is fine by me
As has yet to be actually proven, so I'm very confident in my stance
DragonClover is right, you don't need to prove that space is infinite, what you need to prove is that the extra axis is infinite.
And the two are linked like chains.
Yeah, but how much? Even if you have an axis, if that axis is of 0 size then it wom't matter for tiering
yea it would, it is, i explained why
That is not said anywhere, please stick with what is actually said in the FAQ
again, no, that isn't said in the FAQ, 5D axis is irrelevant for that part, purely Low 2-C in that ammount will result in low 1-C, that is all that is said in the part you are talking, the 5D axis is irrelevant to that
It is uncontable infinite in comparison to 4D objectives, yeah........but in this case it already is due to it being 5D by default, in 4DS case, 6D
That is verbatim said and show to be how they look like, there is nothing more i can say, since you are not showing of those not being the dreams......when that is verbatim said to be what they are
This to you about the "they are juat projections" argument, again, directly said otherwise in the game itself
.......my dude, i already showed it in the OP and in the sandbox of that part
did you not followes the argument? Lumima says this in direct response to Tails and Sonic talking about the dreams and they looking lile flat projections, aka she is saying that what they are seeing ARE ITETALLY THE DREAMS
no, your assertment is the one that needa to be proven, don't shift the burden of proof here, i already provided more than enough proof/evidence to fill my burden
Ok, then agree to disagree
Good thing that i have the other argument as well for support.........will wait for more staff input then
Isn’t that 6D the same way uncountably infinite 3D is low 2-C?
That's correct. What I'm saying is that Maginaryworld doesn't actually have that, so it'd just be a higher degree of 5-D
due to the nature of the Multiverse, there would be Infinite Ancients alongside Infinite Eggman with their dreams involving said 5D Dreams
Wouldnt MW be a 5D space with a 6D temporal dimension?
It trivializing 5D structures as 2D images would suffice for that
For all we know those 2D images are just pocket dimensions, like the worlds in Kingdom Hearts maps.
"pocket dimensions"? no, those are directly said to be the dreams, what are you talking about?
yeah, if 6D for it is rejected then it would be an "at least 5D" rating for it
That means Sonic is the same size as these dreams, like he’s an infinite size behemoth.
considering that he needed a special method to get there + the fact that we never see Sonic anywhere near the dreams for us to drawn any comparison between them and him for size......yeah no
can we not try to argue against things like that in a thread that has nothing to do with it? MW is very solid regardless, but again, please don't bring topics that do not concern this thread to said thread
We…do though? Sonic is flying right next to the dreams within the space
no he isn't, he is flying with them in the background, we DON'T KNOW how far they are in comparison to him
yes there is, again, we don't have anything to say that they are anywhere close to Sonic and co at that moment, showing the scene again while saying the exact same thing you said earlier isn't going to change that
I’m pretty sure you can flat out pixel scale the size of these orbs vs Sonic and get an answer of how big they are.
Not unless you know how far they are, also
It is just funly graphics from 20+ years ago harware
yes there is, since those are literally them in the scene, you cannot contest that, that i verbatim said
exept thay we are told exactly that they are in like, 4 times in a row in the scene
They are full flegged Universes, not pocket dimensions
yes, how wouls you render several several universes sized stuff in a game all at once in a relative proportion? Not even nowadays that would have been possible
The sun is equally portrayed as them, aka too far away, it doesn't prove anything regarding this matter
Evidence for the last part?
