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The only one who said arceus was a spirit was hiker.... You can literally look everywhere in the mainline games , Japanese, English, even Bulbapedia where most info is. He's not a spirit besides the hiker speculating.

DarkDragon, can you do something about King? He's going to go in circles, no matter what.

Right now his argument is that hiker speculation >>> the lore. After the lore mentioned spirit came into being after the LT wished for it

Everyone who frequents Pokémon threads know him. He can't be reasoned with.
 
Yemma670 said:
The only one who said arceus was a spirit was hiker.... You can literally look everywhere in the mainline games , Japanese, English, even Bulbapedia where most info is. He's not a spirit besides the hiker speculating.

DarkDragon, can you do something about King? He's going to go in circles, no matter what.

Right now his argument is that hiker speculation >>> the lore. After the lore mentioned spirit came into being after the LT wished for it

Everyone who frequents Pokémon threads know him. He can't be reasoned with.
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Where did he speculate the original spirit was a spirit? Again, he only speculated that Arceus was the original spirit's avatar, not that the original spirit was a spirit
 
Creation story says LT embody metaphysical aspects of existence and they wished it into being.

Hiker speculates he's the Original Spirit.

So your argument is that Hiker Speculation supercedes the creation story. At best, we can't even use what the hiker said to mean he literally has a spirit, it's just how the hiker wants to interpret it. Because no one has ever seen his true form or has he ever made an appearance in the Pokémon reality.

Okay, show me scans of Arceus being mentioned to have a spirit or showings of having one
 
Yemma670 said:
Creation story says LT embody metaphysical aspects of existence and they wished it into being.

Hiker speculates he's the Original Spirit.

So your argument is that Hiker Speculation supercedes the creation story. At best, we can't even use what the hiker said to mean he literally has a spirit, it's just how the hiker wants to interpret it. Because no one has ever seen his true form or has he ever made an appearance in the Pokémon reality.

Okay, show me scans of Arceus being mentioned to have a spirit or showings of having one
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Where did he speculate the original spirit was a spirit? Again, he only speculated that Arceus was the original spirit's avatar, not that the original spirit was a spirit
 
This is him speculating right from the start

Did the world begin when people's heart sprouted?

Going by the creation story no.

Does Arceus have a spirit?

Going by the creation story he predates that. That's a concept he created, together with time, space, matter and antimatter. Literally existence itself. Whether physical or non physical he precedes
 
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This isn't speculation, this is him firmly believing in it, and considering he was right about the original spirit creating the creation trio, I don't see why this is unreliable
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Has he seen the Original Spirit?

If no, then we can no take his word for it as the creation story directly dictates Arceus predates everything in existence
 
Because it details exactly how the world was made. Which includes his predation of both the physical and metaphysical aspect of existence
 
Because the engravings explicitly mentioned the concept of the the metaphysical aspect of existence is something that was created after he came into being. The lake trio
 
Its talking about how the spirit of people and other Pokemon came into being when the lake trio created it. Arceus could just have a spirit before the spirit of humans and other Pokemon were made, which isn't contradictory.
 
Prove to me with the right proof that Arceus is a spirit

And don't tell me Hiker, cos he's no proof beyond speculating. I've debunked that already
 
Yemma670 said:
Prove to me with the right proof that Arceus is a spirit

And don't tell me Hiker, cos he's no proof beyond speculating. I've debunked that already
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Are you going in circles again? The hiker wasn't speculating about that, he was only speculating that Arceus had an avatar

Yemma670 said:
You're also speculating. Nice
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This is not speculation, this is information I got from piecing evidence together
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Are you going in circles again? The hiker wasn't speculating about that, he was only speculating that Arceus had an avatar
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He was speculating the entire time bro. I've shown you that. He literally starts talking by phrasing it as his own opinion on the subject matter. And many things he said didn't really make much sense( better word is flowery)
XXKINGXX69 said:
This is not speculation, this is information I got from piecing evidence together
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If piecing evidence together means speculation and hiker theories then sure
 
Yemma670 said:
He was speculating the entire time bro. I've shown you that. He literally starts talking by phrasing it as his own opinion on the subject matter. And many things he said didn't really make much sense( better word is flowery)

If piecing evidence together means speculation and hiker theories then sure
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If you're going to repeat the same arguments I already refuted, then I can too

Where did he speculate the original spirit was a spirit? Again, he only speculated that Arceus was the original spirit's avatar, not that the original spirit was a spirit
 
But you're the one repeating your argument I've already debunked. You literally confirmed you're speculating

If you don't have any solid evidence, I believe your issue is resolved and we can move on to the main thread at hand
 
Yemma670 said:
But you're the one repeating your argument I've already debunked. You literally confirmed you're speculating

If you don't have any solid evidence, I believe your issue is resolved and we can move on to the main thread at hand
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Ok, that's just you not being able to refute
 
Everyone here is witness. There's nothing to refute because I've done that already
 
That's a simple way of saying, I've answered your question and we can move on to the main thread at hand
 
Nothing really. Since King decided to derail it

DontTalk is knowledgeable about this, but I can't ping him
 
Madness manipulation type 3

For nep, DontTalk is knowledgeable about it since he was responsible for the recent nep revisions
 
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