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A few more Arceus abilities

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This came from the other thread. They were type 8 immortality, low/mid Godly regen, and non-corporeal. It comes from the Original Spirit. Arceus on itself is just a manifestation, or a physical form, of said spirit. It also has said Spirit in every person and Pokémon. And regen, because in theory, the Original Spirit would still exist if the llama body was destroyed, so it could create a new physical form.


Don't derail this.
 
Yeah but like, don't we treat those "true body creating a fake" thing to JUST be non-corporeality, and not Mid-Godly regen?
 
Looking at 682 again and a few SMT characters and I'd say...I...don't think so? I'm...not certain.
 
Well as long as there are Pokemon Arceus will keep coming back. I guess that is what Cal is trying to say.
 
That is what I'm trying to say, though people from the Pokeverse are included too. At least type 8 and Godly regen can definitely overlap.
 
As I stated in the old thread I fully support you suggestions.

The only thing I am not sure about is whether his regen should be low-godly or mid-godly.

The question here is: Are Arceus disembodied conciousness and the Original spirit the same thing or two seperate things?

If they are the same thing I support low-godly, if they are two seperate things I support mid-godly
 
I think it's Low-Godly. Because while the Physical Body comes back from nothing. The Original Spirit is still there. Meaning he still has a consciousness somewhere in the Pokemon World. He technically isn't regenerating from nothing.
 
You can't have Type 8 reliant on yourself, else every form of immortality would be type 8.

You also haven't mentioned a reason for mid godly regen.


That said, are we sure it doesn't require its physical body? It is not all that impossible that an otherwise omnipresent entity still requires its physical manifestation. (like a bunch of the omnipresent entities we have listed don't have non-corporeality)
 
It's not from his omnipresence. It's from quotes from the Hiker who was studying Sinnoh Myths. And if you have to kill every human and Pokemon to permanently get rid of the Original Spirit, doesn't that fall under type 8, and considering how that would still work if the llama got turned into nothingness (as the spirit from people and Pokemon still exist), that would be mid-godly. Arceus is explicitly called the physical form of the original one.
 
If the original one and Arceus are the same (which I would believe they are), then killing arceus is synonymous with killing the original one.

Destroying the physical body isn't more than destroying a small part of the whole being. After that reasoning every non-corporeal entity with physical manifestation would have mid-godly, which is obviously not the case.


That the original spirit is part of every person just means it's extensive, which is just basic stuff of omnipresence.

If it is just stated that he is part of them (typical stuff for omnipresence), but not that he can regenerate his disembodied conciousness from them, it is not type 8.
 
Considering the consciousness fashioned itself an egg to create the llama, I'm pretty sure that it can regenerate itself.
 
I support this as well but I have a question.

So, lets say that killing every single pokemon and human in the verse will ensure Arceus's death should he ever be beaten too. Since that would count the creation trio, wouldnt that also mean you'd have to fully destroy the concepts they make up as well in order to kill him? Since the trio, well, are those concepts themselves and they're apart of Arceus too?

If so, then it might even be Mid-High Godly regen since not only would you need to kill all humans and pokemon, but you would also need to destroy the concepts of the verse too. Or rather, the entire multiverse itself.
 
The real cal howard said:
Considering the consciousness fashioned itself an egg to create the llama, I'm pretty sure that it can regenerate itself.
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Eh, just because it can take another form doesn't mean it can regenerate. That would be shapeshifting = regen reasoning. Not to mention that changing physical form for a non-physical object is really lacking any consequence for it.
 
What kukui said is interesting. It would mean the OS is everywhere in the fabric of the multiverses spacetime.

The questionable point here is: Are Dialga and Palkia the concept of time/space (or the physical manifestation of it, would be similar to OS and Arceus) or do they merely represent them?

If they are the concept then as kukui said, Arceus would have immortality not only reliant on People and Pokemon, but also on the concepts of Time, Space and Antimatter. Which would mean the multiverse.

Similar could be said about the concept of Emotion, Knowledge and Willpower, however I do not know enough about the lake trio so I can't say this for sure (though they seem somewhat similar to creation trio when it comes to representing/being a concept).
 
Totally support.

The Concept Pokemon can't be killed as long as their concept exists, correct?

Shouldn't that mean Pokemon (and Pokemon-verse as an extension) has to die for Arceus to die?

Wouldn't Arceus simply reincarinate in his own realm upon death (If it was theortically possible) because of the above?
 
Thats what I would like to know. If we accept this, then we're accepting Arceus having Low-Mid Godly Regen for reviving as long as Pokemon/Humans live (not counting the Creation/Lake Trios).

But once we count the concept pokemon, who can't ever die as long as their concepts exist, then Arceus himself would never die until both the concept pokemon and their concepts are destroyed as well. And if thats true then wouldnt he go from Mid-High Godly Regen?
 
Where is that info from? The quotes of the hiker generally say all people and pokemon, they don't make an exeption for the creation and lake trio.

Also I think that high-godly is too much.
 
That's true Godly. High Godly isn't reserved for anyone. Granted, I don't believe Arceus should have High Godly.
 
Wait why wouldnt part of the OS be inside the concept Pokemon?

I have a very hard time beliving a simple rattata can have a part of the OS but not his own creations which are the most important aspects of the verse. But if he really didnt I'll accept it.
 
Bumping because in all seriousness, I would really like to know a reason why the concept pokemon don't have part of the OS within them like any other Pokemon do.
 
They have their own backstory. Their own myths. The myth was mostly speaking about the earthbound Pokémon.
 
Considering he created their concepts that they, by extension, embody? Yeah. I'd say they are.
 
KK. then if thats true, then by default they should have some of the OS inside them like any other pokemon since they are parts of arceus.

Plus wouldnt it make sense to assume the Pokemon who embody and essentially are the verse's concepts have some of the OS within them?
 
Arceus disembodied consciousness = OS

Whether it's inside people, pokemon or the fabric of the multiverse it is still the same OS. And would it be gone Arceus would be gone as well. So technically Arceus cannot regenerate from nothing.

Therefore I also support low-godly regen.

I also think that for the creation/lake trio not to have part of the OS in them would not make sense since Arceus made them "from itself" as the myth states.

Therefore I support type 8 reliant on people, pokemon, the concepts of time/space/antimatter/emotion/willpower/knowledge and therefore on the multiverse itself.
 
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