A FEW BEN 10 UPGRADES

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

NOTE : All points (accept BDE type 1 for paradox) are from one of my friend's blog (so credit goes to him

Additional abilities for Professor Paradox and Alien X

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1) POWER NULLIFICATION
Alien X could nullify the Omnitrix's ability to transform and detransform Ben in the episode 'X = Ben + 2'.



Paradox should also qualify for this ability due to transforming Alien X back into Ben in the episode 'The Forge of Creation'. Nullifying his transformation and powers.

Power Nullification:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Power_Nullification



2) ACASUALITY TYPE 4 (PROFESSOR PARADOX)
He exists outside of time, which is a system of cause and effect within the verse.





Acausality:

Acausality

Acausality is the ability to act unrestrained by conventional cause and effect, on a scale that varies depending on the character. For some characters, this means not being affected by changes to the past; for others, this means defying all logic and acting with disregard for traditional...

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3) Madness manipulation resistance
Paradox endured being trapped outside of time for a 100 000 years and in that time he went insane until he got tired of it and went sane again. Thus any Madness Manipulation shouldn't realistically work on him.



Madness Manipulation:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Madness_Manipulation
Alien X (being Omnipotent of verse) should also have this)


4) AGE MANIPULATION RESISTANCE
Professor paradox exists outside of time and was unaffected by Hugo's aging ability. He could still feel eons passing but was physically unaffected by it.

Ben 10 Alien Force - Jetray, Gwen, Kevin and Paradox vs Trans-Dimensional Monsters

On this channel I will be posting classic Ben 10 battles not full episodes so I don’t get copyrighted...

youtu.be

Age Manipulation:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Age_Manipulation


5) Casualty manipulation
WIth the power of the Chrono Navigator, Paradox can destroy all of time and causality itself.

chrononavigator could destroy all of time and casualties

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Causality Manipulation:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Causality_Manipulation
We can apply this to Alien X (via Omnipotence)


6) BDE TYPE 1 FOR PARADOX AND ALIEN X
Reasoning is as same as acasuality type 4 that paradox exists outside of time and Alien X already having acasuality type 4 by same reason of being born in FoC which is out of sync with all time and Alien X must have all abilities of verse (people who followed previous Ben 10 CRTs know it) should also get this. And HDE for Alien X was wrong because realm inside Alien X isn't spatiotemporal but rather an empty void (so no space or time there and thus reasoning of HDE gets debunked here)

https://imgur.com/a/WjyDafm#vAGSWwX

And all abilities that Paradox gets should be accepted for Alien X as well (in light of previous CRTs and this given reasonings)

https://imgur.com/a/WjyDafm#vAGSWwX

Agree : @Hellformer @MintyBoi1 @Dragonite007 (with acasuality type 4 only) @Celestial_Scaler25 @DonkeySlayer06 (accept BDE) @REX9097 (accept BDE) @Lloydblitzed (accept Alien X's BDE) @Aolphl (with acasuality type 4 only)
Disagree : @Dragonite007 @DonkeySlayer06 (with BDE only) @REX9097 (BDE only) @Lloydblitzed (Alien X's BDE only) @Aolphl
Nutral : @Dragonite007 (BDE of paradox)

 

[Hellformer]

Agree

 

[MintyBoi1]

Agree

 

[Dragonite007]

5) Casualty manipulation
WIth the power of the Chrono Navigator, Paradox can destroy all of time and causality itself.

chrononavigator could destroy all of time and casualties

youtu.be

Causality Manipulation:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Causality_Manipulation
We can apply this to Alien X (via Omnipotence)

Alien X and Paradox already has:

• Causality Manipulation (Via Existence Erasure which should be superior to the Chrono Navigator, a device capable of destroying all of existence, which includes time and causality, as Servantis implied Alien X being omnipotent in that aspect, which has been supported by Professor Paradox previously, who called him omnipotent as well. Wanted to save the dinosaurs from extinction. Alien X can destroy all of existence, which includes all time and causality itself)

6) BDE TYPE 1 FOR PARADOX AND ALIEN X
Reasoning is as same as acasuality type 4 that paradox exists outside of time and Alien X already having acasuality type 4 by same reason of being born in FoC which is out of sync with all time and Alien X must have all abilities of verse (people who followed previous Ben 10 CRTs know it) should also get this

Alien X has HDE, so he can't have BDE

 

[Hellformer]

Alien X and Paradox already has:

• Causality Manipulation (Via Existence Erasure which should be superior to the Chrono Navigator, a device capable of destroying all of existence, which includes time and causality, as Servantis implied Alien X being omnipotent in that aspect, which has been supported by Professor Paradox previously, who called him omnipotent as well. Wanted to save the dinosaurs from extinction. Alien X can destroy all of existence, which includes all time and causality itself)

Alien X has HDE, so he can't have BDE

What about other things? Do you agree with them?

 

[Dragonite007]

3) Madness manipulation resistance
Paradox endured being trapped outside of time for a 100 000 years and in that time he went insane until he got tired of it and went sane again. Thus any Madness Manipulation shouldn't realistically work on him.



Madness Manipulation:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Madness_Manipulation

He didn't resist nothing he just stayed so much time outside time, that he come sane again, also there are 3 types of madness

4) AGE MANIPULATION RESISTANCE
Professor paradox exists outside of time and was unaffected by Hugo's aging ability. He could still feel eons passing but was physically unaffected by it.

Ben 10 Alien Force - Jetray, Gwen, Kevin and Paradox vs Trans-Dimensional Monsters

On this channel I will be posting classic Ben 10 battles not full episodes so I don’t get copyrighted...

youtu.be

Age Manipulation:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Age_Manipulation

Immortality type 1 already cover that



Agree with aca 4

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Alien X has HDE, so he can't have BDE

What about removing hde and giving BDE ?
Can't we simply remove HDE if BDE is proved?
Also what about BDE of paradox?

 

[Hellformer]

He didn't resist nothing he just stayed so much time outside time, that he come sane again, also there are 3 types of madness

He sorta resisted it overtime

 

[MintyBoi1]

How would someone trying to inflict madness on someone who’s already gotten over it work though? I think it’s a valid resistance

 

[Dragonite007]

What about removing hde and giving BDE ?
Can't we simply remove HDE if BDE is proved?
Also what about BDE of paradox?

If BDE is proved so HDE will be removed, I'm unsure about Paradox BDE

He sorta resisted it overtime

He didn't resist overtime, he recovery his sanity overtime, at most will be a Unconventional Resistance to Madness Type 3

 

[Hellformer]

He didn't resist overtime, he recovery his sanity overtime, at most will be a Unconventional Resistance to Madness Type 3

Recovering his sanity is basically resistance to it

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

if BDE is proved so HDE will be removed, I'm unsure about Paradox BDE

Doesn't it automatically proves your reasoning against BDE wrong (your reasoning was that he already has HDE so we can argue for BDE)

 

[DonkeySlayer06]

Alien X has HDE, so it can't get BDE. Causality manipulation is also in their profile. I agree with the other parts

 

[Dragonite007]

Recovering his sanity is basically resistance to it

Recovery something mean that the thing was affected before

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Agree

 

[Hellformer]

Recovery something mean that the thing was affected before

But doesn't affect anymore

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Alien X has HDE, so it can't get BDE

If we prove BDE , then HDE will be automatically removed (and I proved it)

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Alien X and Paradox already has:

• Causality Manipulation (Via Existence Erasure which should be superior to the Chrono Navigator, a device capable of destroying all of existence, which includes time and causality, as Servantis implied Alien X being omnipotent in that aspect, which has been supported by Professor Paradox previously, who called him omnipotent as well. Wanted to save the dinosaurs from extinction. Alien X can destroy all of existence, which includes all time and causality itself)

Alien X has HDE, so he can't have

Currently neither Paradox or the ChronoNavigator have Causality Manipulation in their profiles.

Chrono Navigator

On the contrary, I warned you. Stop this now, or all existence will be destroyed!!Professor Paradox to Eon The Chrono Navigator is a powerful technology that allows the user to travel through space-time including the past, present, and future without getting lost. It can allow a being to access...

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Professor Paradox

Professor Paradox is the alias used by a time travelling professor who can travel anywhere in space or time, within reason. While he forgot his true name from centuries being trapped in a separate reality, he now goes by the name "Professor Paradox," after taking a liking to being referred to as...

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[Celestial_Scaler25]

Alien X and Paradox already has:

• Causality Manipulation (Via Existence Erasure which should be superior to the Chrono Navigator, a device capable of destroying all of existence, which includes time and causality, as Servantis implied Alien X being omnipotent in that aspect, which has been supported by Professor Paradox previously, who called him omnipotent as well. Wanted to save the dinosaurs from extinction. Alien X can destroy all of existence, which includes all time and causality itself)

Alien X has HDE, so he can't have BDE

What about the power nullification argument? Agree or disagree?

 

[Dragonite007]

Currently neither Paradox or the ChronoNavigator have Causality Manipulation in their profiles.

Chrono Navigator

On the contrary, I warned you. Stop this now, or all existence will be destroyed!!Professor Paradox to Eon The Chrono Navigator is a powerful technology that allows the user to travel through space-time including the past, present, and future without getting lost. It can allow a being to access...

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Professor Paradox

Professor Paradox is the alias used by a time travelling professor who can travel anywhere in space or time, within reason. While he forgot his true name from centuries being trapped in a separate reality, he now goes by the name "Professor Paradox," after taking a liking to being referred to as...

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They probably were just forgotten when the CRT was applyed

 

[NXCHT.66]

3) Madness manipulation resistance
Paradox endured being trapped outside of time for a 100 000 years and in that time he went insane until he got tired of it and went sane again. Thus any Madness Manipulation shouldn't realistically work on him.

Another reason is that Paradox is not afraid of Topick's face.

 

[Hellformer]

Another reason is that Paradox is not afraid of Topick's face.

Where was that shown?

 

[NXCHT.66]

Where was that shown?

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ben10/images/8/8a/Paradox_Can_See_Toepick%27s_Face.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20200528030823

can u see this link?

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

https://ben10.fandom.com/wiki/File:Paradox_Can_See_Toepick's_Face.PNG

Where was that shown?

Writer statements.

 

[Hellformer]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ben10/images/8/8a/Paradox_Can_See_Toepick%27s_Face.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20200528030823

can u see this link?

No

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

No

Can you see/use mine?

Ben 10 Wiki

Ben 10 Planet is the ultimate Ben 10 resource where anyone can edit and learn about the vast universe of Ben 10!

ben10.fandom.com

 

[Hellformer]

Can you see/use mine?

https://ben10.fandom.com/wiki/File:paradox_Can_See_Toepick's_Face.PNG

Yes

 

[Aolphl]

6) BDE TYPE 1 FOR PARADOX AND ALIEN X
Reasoning is as same as acasuality type 4 that paradox exists outside of time and Alien X already having acasuality type 4 by same reason of being born in FoC which is out of sync with all time and Alien X must have all abilities of verse (people who followed previous Ben 10 CRTs know it) should also get this

I tired this shit.
Alien X has HDE (via contains a universe in his body), so BDE is directly invalid, and outside of time doesn't gave BDE, lacking spatiotemporal features is gave BDE.

Alien X must have all abilities of verse

This shit rejected a week ago, unless there is a new argument about a rejected topic, it is forbidden to open a CRT related to that topic for 3 months.

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Alien X has HDE (via contains a universe in his body),

Please send original CRT for this

This shit rejected a week ago, unless there is a new argument about a rejected topic, it is forbidden to open a CRT related to that topic for 3 months.

New argument via professor paradox

 

[Aolphl]

Please send original CRT for this

Maded by Reiner, I can share when I find it

New argument via professor paradox

What is the new argument via Professor Paradox? (Just according to what, there is a new argument through via Professor Paradox, I'm asking about it, I'm just a little sleepy)

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

What is the new argument via Professor Paradox? (Just according to what, there is a new argument through via Professor Paradox, I'm asking about it, I'm just a little sleepy)

If paradox gets BDE then Alien X will also get (Omnipotence)

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

If paradox gets BDE then Alien X will also get (Omnipotence)

Paradox is from his on plane of existence BDE (type 1). But Alien X and Celestialsapiens have already transcended all of existence in the verse. Shouldn't it then be BDE (type 2)?

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[Hellformer]

Paradox is from his on plane of existence BDE (type 1). But Alien X and Celestialsapiens have already transcended all of existence in the verse. Shouldn't it then be BDE (type 2)?

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BDE type 2 is not allowed to argue for now due to tiering system changes.

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Paradox is from his on plane of existence

Ghost ship is considered non canon here

 

[Hellformer]

Ghost ship is considered non canon here

That comic's name is Parallel Paradox

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Another reason is that Paradox is not afraid of Topick's face.

Do you agree with all the other additional abilities?

 

[REX9097]

Ghost ship is considered non canon here

This Comics is Parallel Paradox. Also it's canon that Parallel Paradox appeared in the Ben 10 show.

Parallel Paradox also stated that Ben, using Alien X, reshaped the universe and time, which was shown in the series.

 

[Hellformer]

Bump

 

[REX9097]

Also I agree with everything except HDE for Alien X
Edit: I agree with everything except BDE for Alien X

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

I tired this shit.
Alien X has HDE (via contains a universe in his body), so BDE is directly invalid, and outside of time doesn't gave BDE, lacking spatiotemporal features is gave BDE.

Do you agree with some of the other abilities like Power Nullification, resistance to Madness Manipulation and the other stuff?