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Is there really anything Sucy can do in this situation? Kind of just seems like she gets countered hard at every turn.
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A Creepy Lookalike (Rai Batenkaitos vs Sucy Manbavaran)
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Peppersalt43
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Actually I have a question I wanted to ask. How do the elemental shields work? Is it a flat number or percentage based and does it go up to 100%?
Also I was kinda worried to bring this up as I couldn't find it in the profile but couldn't Sucy just transmute those wind blades into less harmful objects? I recall it can be used in the form of a wave but I'm not sure if it's something everyone can do
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Percentage based.
She cannot transmute wind blades, and the wave needs to make physical contact with something for it to work.
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And how high does it go up to?
DimeUhDozen
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I forgor.
Peppersalt43
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Just in case, do you have the game or did you figure everything out with playthroughs?
Also is the teleportation spell exclusive to Akko or is it something everyone can do?
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What the wincons?
Peppersalt43
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Currently for Rai, it's the wind blades though I'm trying to figure out ways around it
For Sucy, it's petrification or transmutation
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Playthroughs.
Also it’s an Akko exclusive.
Btw, Petrification can only be activated as a side effect of landing an earth attack which is easier said than done against this opponent. Even then, there’s still a chance it might not give the status ailment.
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H3110l12345I20
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bump
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Bump
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Idr if i voted or not so batenkaitos fra
DimeUhDozen
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Tbh, I'm not sure if Sucy has a wincon here. Seems like a stomp.
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Rai kicks Sucy's *** FRA
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Counted and thank you!
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Is anyone gonna address the stomp or --
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I can always join in the debate and reread stuff if no one else is doing it themselves. I did watch the entire show of Little Witch Academia on netflix. But I only remember the major parts lol.
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Rai fra
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Counted and thank you!
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Possible wincons for Sucy that haven't been brought up yet:
Power Nullification (Can inflict the Silence status)
Gravity Manipulation, Black Hole Creation (With Black Hole)
Soul Manipulation and Sealing (Magic can be used to move souls to another location and seal them inside machines)
Matter Manipulation (The Weakness Bomb spell can weaken the binding force of molecules)
Status Effect Inducement (Of Burn, Freeze, Shock, Slow, and Petrify)
Time Manipulation (With the Talisman of Time, which has the power to control time)
Probability Manipulation (Can increase her chances of landing and evading critical hits with various accessories)
Supernatural Luck (With the Emerald Charm)
Fate Manipulation (In possession of the Fate Wand, which is said to have the power to twist fate)
Power Nullification (Can inflict the Silence status)
Gravity Manipulation, Black Hole Creation (With Black Hole)
Soul Manipulation and Sealing (Magic can be used to move souls to another location and seal them inside machines)
Matter Manipulation (The Weakness Bomb spell can weaken the binding force of molecules)
Status Effect Inducement (Of Burn, Freeze, Shock, Slow, and Petrify)
Time Manipulation (With the Talisman of Time, which has the power to control time)
Probability Manipulation (Can increase her chances of landing and evading critical hits with various accessories)
Supernatural Luck (With the Emerald Charm)
Fate Manipulation (In possession of the Fate Wand, which is said to have the power to twist fate)
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Also Rai doesn't have any listed resistances for Sucy's Sleep Manipulation (with Dream Wind) and her Life-force and Magic Absorption (With Lifesap Circle and Spellsap Circle) so those can work as wincons as well
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Putting aside the fact that it is a chance type thing, what does it do?
Rz characters can fight with their mind and senses cut off on instinct alone. Sleep manip wont stop him
Ley powernulls
od is boththe mind and soul so she would need to be able to move the mind as well and we cant really verse equalize that
Ley resists extreme temps
Yhat is specifically for projectiles
doesnt have that in this fight
Too vague to amount to anything
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Sucy has like zero wincons, why is this considered a valid match? 
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Can you please stop that?! Every time there's a MU where you're involved the moment your character loses you immediately claim it's a stompSucy has like zero wincons, why is this considered a valid match?
See I was gonna tell you to delete this because you're apparently in no way knowledgeable or even read the scans and I don't want to have to debate this again but here we go....
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Because the characters involved are usually either skill or hax gods? Sucy legitimately has no way to win here and it’s just common sense not to have it be considered a fair matchup.
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Doesn't he do that with his hands? Against a black hole?
Actually we've discussed this before. The bigger problem is that Rai just summons the blades way too close to Sucy which is the part where I gave up. Honestly if I just gone on, I'd say the tornado-like properties of sandstorm combined with how it's summoned would seem to still work on most wind-based attacks
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And did you look at the scan? I saw one of the girls deflect an attack from the boss to the boss.
My mind is split on this arguement lol. I agree with this and the rest of your arguements in your reply. Tho, the same thing can be applied to the other arguements since I barely seen feats of Rai's verse.
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I'm pretty sure that prevents Rai from casting spells.
So Re Zero warriors can Sleep Walk(Fight)?
Ok that covers Fire/Burn) and Ice(Freeze) and maybe Lightning(but I don't think it prevents Shock though), but not Slow or Petrify. It also doesn't cover Matter Manipulation and Life force/Magic absorbtion either.
Fair enoug, but wouldn't an AOE spell be able to blow away the wind blades since their just invisible?
I see, alright then just ignore the last three.
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yin magic also has black hole creation and apparently he can powernnull all magic with his hands so yeah he can do that
(worth mentioning that the black hole was created just for it get cut apart, ReZero truly want to fodderize black holes
)eh well not that big of a deal considering he is a martial artist, plus the chance of landing also matters and he could just dodge with leaper
they dont need their mind or senses to target your vitals and attack you, yeah
btw he should be able to powernull these
they are also intangible and technically just normal air and only hurt you when you come into contact with them
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No I'm moreso worried about how close he has to get to powernull it
So yes, more air should be able to dispell them, right? Combined with the NPI Sucy has after all
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direct contact i would assume
nope, the new air will just end up passing through or the new air will become the slicers
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yes, direct contact, with a black hole
What? I just said her magic has NPI
how does that even work? The air itself is being manipulated
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yin magic also has black hole creation and he can null it too bbg
yeah and he manipulates any air at any point, even if you change the air he can still cause you to be cut when you move there after it
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No I'm not questioning if he can null it, I'm questioning the safety of it because getting into melee range with a black hole seems extremely dangerous
What?! So nothing you can do will ever get rid of those things?!
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Uh, bump...
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He can powernull it with his hands so that shouldnt be an issue
Void manipulation or turning the area around her to vaccum would work
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Oh... So like a black hole?
Also I'm really getting suspicious of this. Can you give me some scans for the wind blades? Mostly about how they can be used this way and why they're so hard to get rid of?
Y'know what, I'm just gonna ask for some scans of Re:Zero characters powernulling a black hole at melee range
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