I mean, we’ve seen him use it once in this thread, when he was being restrained and was possibly about to lose the fight, and 99% of iterations of Batman hate using guns and other firearms, so I think assuming its something he would use casually, rather than a Hail Mary is something that would need to be backed up with some kind of evidence
I wasn't talking about his paralysis device. I was talking about when Bats restrained the dude when he tried reaching for a weapon on the floor. Paralysis gun is legit the only valid way I see Bats taking this so far lol.
That's ironic. I could say the same thing about you with my last point I just made above.
If Theory out of nowhere gets hit with a Batarang when he least expects it, he's going to be on guard for the rest of the match, since he now knows Batman has equipment he needs to watch out for. What don't you get about this?
The same logic applies to Bats. Is he gonna know what Theory's gonna do? No. That's a bad argument.
And again, This Batman is usually reliant on using his equipment rather than in CQC, and Theory may be slightly more skilled, but then again, Batman could still outAP him.
And yet the main weapon that could potentially finish the match is something he doesn't open with.
He's significantly more skilled. No questions about that.
The AP is negligible, and Theory has 3 moves that are far higher than his normal AP. That's not a good argument.
I can buy Batman cheesing Theory with range but I’m not having Batman taking it if Theory closes that gap, that’s just not happening based on what I’ve seen of Batman in this thread
Okay I don't really care about the robe batarang to be honest I'm talking about the paralyzing device.
He doesn't know what else batman has. He doesn't know Batman has a gun that would instantly leave him a mess on the floor. He would only expect stupid bat shaped boomerangs to start.It's not like he gets hit with a batarang and suddenly knows that Batman has a damn super taser which is something we don't even have in real life.
Isn't Theory literally just an unarmed man? Like straight up he has his fists and that's it? Even if he has a melee weapon it's safe to assume he's going to want to hit batman with the weapon? It doesn't take a genius to figure out the guy with just fists wants to get close and punch. Batman's fought bruisers like him before such as Bane. It's not like he's never seen a dude that knows how to fight hand to hand.
I don't think this has ever been implied at all so I don't know where you're getting this from.
At this rate, you're downplaying Bats equipment and his strategist cognitive, they WILL catch him off guard, how else would Theory know about the rest of Bats equipment? And also, Batman is smart enough to use his equipment before Theory would even know what's happening.
I guess that's fair, but I can still make an argument that Theory can still dodge it. Bats still needs to pull it out and shoot it, and I've already shown that Theory is very good when it comes to timing/dodging. Plus, Theory's IR has shown that even while stunned, he can still pull out a move when least expected.
And Batman doesn't know what kind of moves Theory will pull out. That's what I'm saying. That's common sense. Theory is significantly more skilled, which is something Bats doesn't know. It also doesn't take a genius to know that Batman doesn't know what moves Theory can pull out. No opponent knows what they're opponent is going to do, unless they have some kind of broken Precog/Analytical Predict ability.
@Propellus has said this multiple times already. It's not knocking him out.
No. You're overestimating Bats' weapons. They're not anything crazy. You guys are acting like they're impossible to dodge/avoid, when all they are just projectiles.
If Bats is so heavily reliant on his equipment like you say he is @Propellus, then he'd start using them off the bat. Specifically his Batarangs.
Okay but like...listen okay, listen
I mean the closer you are to something the harder it is to dodge...
Exactly
nope this batman fight basically gives him nothing but his batarangs and paralyzing device
Honestly, Theory has such a versatile moveset, so I'm not too sure.
Once again, this is fair, but Bats still needs to pull it out and shoot. You're telling me Theory won't see it coming and try to dodge?
How exactly would Theory know what the device is?
Bro, what?
Tell me what he does besides punch and kick and grab. He only has his hands.
They're five meters away. That'd be really difficult to do at that range, especially since he might not even recognize what that device is.
So you're telling me if you were in a fight and someone tried to pull out a weapon, you wouldn't try to get out of harms way?
1. You're simplifying the living hell out of Theory's wrestling style.
It doesn't even look like a weapon I'm going to be honest, based off what I can see. It looks like some weird kitchen utensil lol.
That really depends on the context of what's going on here, you're basically claiming that the paralyzing machine looks like an average gun which it does not. And if someone did pull out something you're not knowledgeable to, you're ******.
It doesn't matter if he doesn't recognize it.
I'm not dumbing it down what I'm saying is when you only have your hands, other people, with martial arts training, can generally expect what you're going to do with those hands, especially if they've fought bruisers before. This isn't like, rocket science here. I'm jjust saying Batman has a good idea of what Theory could do at a glance while Theory doesn't have a good idea of what batman can do at a glance
The thing is Theory doesn't recognize that, like you said, so his first thought is to dodge.
Batman is inherently more unpredictable than Theory, Batman has equipment Theory has never seen before in his life, Theory is a man in wrestling tights who very obviously has nothing on him except his own fists, hence a martial artist that relies on closing gaps
You’re right on a certain level, but at the same time even if Theory doesn’t know the specifics of Batman’s equipment, he will know Batman likes his projectiles, and if he sees Batman pull a gun out of his utility belt it doesn’t take a genius to come to the conclusion he should ready himself for an incoming blast of something
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idk I feel like it could just confuse him. If he's up close even a moment of hesitation or just thinking "wtf is that" could mean that he's down for the count.
So you're telling me that since it doesn't look like the average gun, Theory is just going to stand there and get hit? That makes no sense.
Show me canonical footage of Austin reacting to someone pulling a gun on him-
Using this logic, you really think Bats is gonna be that ******* stupid to stand there and let Theory grab him? And if anything, Batman would just avoid him trying to even touch him.
Dude, that doesn't matter. If someone pulls something out of their pocket in the middle of a fight, the first thing you're doing is dodging. Especially on someone of the caliber of Theory.
Even if he dodges initially batman can still like, shoot more.
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Literally how?
The thing is that his ranged equipment isn't anything crazy, besides his Paralysis Device, which is something Theory can and will avoid.
And Theory will still dodge more. Simple.
