I'll concede on that argument. Theory isn't that bad of a strategist either. He'll definitely need to strategize more in this fight since his opponent has equipment.
No, but speed is equalized right? I keep on forgetting how that works.
At first, this would catch him off guard, but he'll find a way to avoid these attacks. Sooner or later, Bats is going to be forced into H2H, where it's basically gg from there.
How would he avoid those? And I'm pretty sure Theory hasn't fought anyone like Batman with those juicy kinds of equipment, So he's definitely gonna get caught in some of them. Batman could just wrap his legs around with a Batarang forming into a rope to incapacitate him, then get the chance to use another to knock him out or just paralyze him with the device.
Does Batman just throw the Batarang at Theory? If so, then good luck with that. Plus, can't Theory use his LS to overpower the ropes, or is it fully restraining him?
Assuming if Bats can wrap Theory's legs.
Pretty sure he will, and he's gonna make sure it hits him as if it's a sniper. And given how Theory's LS isn't specified in the OP, those ropes will definitely overpower him given how Batman has superior LS in this segment.
He's still gonna make it risky for Theory to try come close to him, and this is where he could close the gap.
What is Bats LS?
Superhuman due to ripping a part of a wall apart with his grapple gun
Theory's LS is At Least Peak Human, likely Class 5 due to downscaling from the powerhouses of the WWE verse (Class 25).
Is his Class 25 LS specified here? Cause the OP doesn't seem to list this. If not, he's trapped
I misread his LS lol, but anyways, is Theory really gonna take the risk of attempting to get close to Bats? Cause those equipment he has is really gonna screw him over.
Theory is not going to blindly charge in. If he sees that Batman has equipment, he's going to have to pick his spots at the right time, which he certainly can do.
And Bats can also throw down smoke bombs to obscure Theory's vision, Bats is also pretty stealthy too. He can use that to distract him and get the chance to use both the Batarang and the device at once.
I don't remember smoke bombs ever being added to Batman's equipment. The rules state that his Batarangs and Paralysis device are the only things he can use.
Oh rip, I forgot about those
If Pika said about the Paralysis device is true, then you can kiss that win con goodbye, as Theory would easily see that coming, and even if he doesn't, his IR helps him dodge it.
clearly more a case of cinematic timing. It's basically just a gun that batman could keep shooting lol. I don't understand how that's not a big thing in this match.
Guys speed is equal why are we discussing this
It’s not really a “risk”, for Theory, more his only way of actually fighting bats, he has no ranged options
idk why that’s the case, I only said restricting his car and his explosives was an issue. Smoke bombs are fine
they do tend to follow the same points I must admit...
I mean, guns were restricted, something with identical properties except it hands Batman a crap ton of free hits instead of being the hit itself doesn’t really feel worthy of an exception...
How often does he use it in character? Like he seemed to be in a tricky situation there, and normally Batmen hate firearms, so is it a kind of last resort?
Well at the very least we should wait for Random’s response
I haven’t given any verdict wdym…
It's not really going to do anything. Theory can easily overpower this.
True.
"The first few times" is an exaggeration. Someone with greater skill and IR is not dodging the first few times? Yeah, I find that really hard to believe. I can say that the Batarangs will hit Theory the first 2 times, but anymore than that is a bit too much. Theory has dealt with wrestlers that have legit shown to blitz other wrestlers, so I don't see the big issue here. I just don't see how someone with significantly superior skill and IR won't be able to dodge "the first few times."
And even a well aimed one can still be dodged due to IR, whether Theory sees it coming or not. Theory can fight on pure instinct, so I highly doubt this is going to mean much.
I'm going to sound hella biased, but Batarangs, including ones that have a homing target, along with a paralysis device is already a lot for Theory to handle. Smoke bombs make it really unfair imho.
I think you're heavily underestimating Theory's IR here. Maybe the first two Batarangs will hit, but anymore than that is reaching. I just don't see it happening.
I’m out right now but will be home soon, will look at the arguments soon
Negligible, plus, Austin Theory's finishers are far above his normal AP, and he has 3 different finisher, so oof for Batman there.
Fair.
Batarangs are legit the only thing Theory has to worry about. Trapping Theory isn't doing shit via LS, Paralyzing gadgets isn't doing nothing due to what Pika said about the device, and Batman would most likely resort to smoke bombs if he feels like he's getting overwhelmed, which won't be happening until they engage in H2H combat, and by the time Theory closes the distance, he's going to end the fight as quickly as possible, as he now knows that he shouldn't be approaching this fight arrogantly like he usually does.
Theory is certainly arrogant, but that arrogance is getting thrown out the window when he realizes the predicament he'd be in here.
Even though Theory’s LS means he can very easily break out of the ropes, they’re still going to initially bind around him. That’ll trip him up or at least slow him down, killing any offensive momentum he potentially has
Skill doesn’t come into it. Skill isn’t universal across all possible actions, Theory is a skilled wrestler, and as a consequence fighter, but he has never in his life had to counter anything even remotely resembling the properties of a batarang. His IR is useful but will only go so far, it’s not a magic dodging ability, especially since Theory’s profile only shows either offensive IR or IR that only helps him in a Wrestling match, if you can give scans of him using IR to dodge sure, but there’s no proof it will save him from ranged projectiles, though I’m willing to buy it will side him.
speed feat + cap
Teensy bit of wank for the IR Theory specifically has but I can buy the premise
After realising paralysing cannot be restricted, I’m happy to keep smoke bombs banned
Theory’s finishers have AP high enough that they can heavily shift the scales of the battle in his favour, and if he’s struggling to get in close to Batman, when/if he does get in close he’ll be sure to make good use of the opportunity, possibly going for them earlier than he would usually.
I’m not sure the base AP is enough difference to really be much of a factor, but noted.
I also still lean towards Batman.
I guess yeah.
The whole point of me mentioning IR is that even when you think Theory is down for the count, he instinctively retaliates back with his own offense. Theory can legit attack when Bats least expects it. This isn't IR, but Theory is really good at dodging/timing his opponents' attacks. A Batarang seriously isn't anything crazy. This isn't Theory vs Violet where Theory had to deal with fighting someone with freaking battle axe.
Not cap. Theory has defeated Finn Balor on numerous occasions, the latter of which can defeat Lio Rush, who has shown to blitz wrestlers on numerous occasions. So yes, this is valid.
I'm completely fine with that.
What Pika said basically. When Theory closes that gap, he's going to end the fight as quickly as possible.
I got Theory winning this. Batarangs are seriously not as crazy as you guys are making it out to be. It will definitely catch Theory off guard initially, but he's going to quickly adapt to that. Batarangs are seriously not this crazy, out of this world weaponry as everyone here is making it out to be. It's a basic projectile that can be dodged when timed right. Simple as that.
Like I said earlier, Theory's arrogance is getting thrown out the window the moment he realizes that he needs to pick his spots right in order to win instead of blindly charging in. Batarangs are nothing crazy, and I seriously do not see Batman paralyzing Theory at all thanks to what Pika said earlier. Restraining Theory only stops him for a few seconds, assuming if Bats is able to do this, since Theory can simply dodge it.
