Technology Manipulation through tech, remotes, and etc is one thing. Queen controls her own Technology because Darkners are capable of using magic.
That doesn't make you automatically capable of tempering with that kind of technology.
the Technology Manipulation he bypassed (technological control over technology) doesn't scale to Queen's (Magical control over technology)
Large Size says nope. The distance she has to cross is small due to that.
I'll explain it in a way you can understand, then; Queen is barely something beyond what Tails has dealt before. I'm not sure if you've been seeing us say it, but the Games have taken place in IDW. There is not one thing Queen has showcased that he hasn't seen on an enemy except for attacking his soul directly. Tails is a character that heavily benefits from working under as little pressure as possible, which allows him to strategize more freely. It isn't that it's going to snag him the win, it's that it will help keep his mind at ease for him to think of a way TO win. Whether he CAN do something to win is another matter entirely. I would hope you understand now, but it might just get lost on you
"The hax" in question mainly just being Soul hax btw lol. Also Laser's been asking about whether or not Tails is starting out in/near the Tornado for a minute and hasn't received an answer (I think that falls under the OP's jurisdiction in this case?) so I can't really answer such a question when I don't even know if Tails is utilizing his equipment from the get-go or not. I figured Psycho would just clarify, since I doubt this is covered anywhere in SBA
Half of the Sonic games would like to hard-counter the thought that "three robots" is the extent of Tails' experience to being swarmed by them. Especially when there are levels dedicated to them taking on swarms of Badniks in Heroes, or taking on Eggman's Badniks in-masse during events like Shadow the Hedgehog. Let's not get goofy here, okay?
I admit Tails doesn't have a reliable answer for this, so sure
Hacking is already up in the air, sure, but agility hasn't been addressed beyond what is essentially "Queen is big and can also move fast so it doesn't matter lol". Which is hardly an argument when Tails is nearly as nimble as Sonic himself, something of Queen's size is almost literally child's play. If Tails decides to get in close for any reason, it will be like a human trying in vain to swat a mosquito. Unless you have characters in Deltarune as remotely as nimble as Tails, you aren't proving to me she can even reliably tag him without clones. Though I will admit dogpiling him with them will make that an easier task, I'll give you that
Let's NOT strawman people (repeatedly, might I add) on this thread, if you can comprehend that request.
Wouldn’t Tails logically start outside of his Tornado just as the match starts? It’s pretty much like Batman where he has access to his Batmobile but we aren’t sure if he starts inside of it or he is dealing with his opponent in hand to hand combat first before getting inside of his Batmobile while it is within his range. SBA rules didn’t clarify anything like this.
As someone who has played the games, yes Tails has fought swarms of Eggman’s robots... except he stomps them very easily which mean they downscale. While he has fought some of Eggman’s larger robots (the ones that were as large as buildings) before, this is merely on a 1 on 1 battle and not something like a 1 on 25 (50 while GIGA Queen is buffed). Plus, their smaller size with weaker AP+durability VS GIGA Queen’s massive size with stronger AP+durability means it would take longer for Tails to beat her.
Of course, she would already piloting it otherwise she would get oneshot immediately. So, yes.
I see that, sure. But Queen can raise her speed, and AP if Tails dodges too much, and she keeps her distance, and with her large size, it will be difficult for Tails to get to her. Also, she can make several clones just as fast as she is kick Tails at once. She also has acrobatics herself, so I'd say it's unlikely for Tails to dodge everything considering the sheer number of comparable attackers with Large Size.
Is the state that also decreases her durability? If so, that makes the armor more susceptible to being pierced by Tails. Especially if he has already grappled onto them (via superior lifting strength), as she'll have trouble getting them off unless they use abilities.
Your argument assumes Tails reaches GIGA Queen, which it's difficult.
They have zero obligation to stay there, Queen is tall enough to just step out of the ring and back up. I assume DB tournament rules don't apply, otherwise, it would be simple.One thing I'd also like to bring into consideration is the setting. Continuously backing up to try and evade being attacked is going to be a LOT harder in an area like this:
Than it is going to be on a path that seemingly goes on forever (for the sake of the battle of course).
That's Game Mechanics, it wouldn't make any sense for her clones to be attacking is a specific pattern. Otherwise, Tails has only dealt with "specific patterns of missiles and flamethrowers", as Eggman's mecha also follows patterns in-game. But that's certainly not the case, as Game Eggman can use his attacks without having to follow his in-game pattern in VsMatches, so the same applies to GIGA Queen.
This whole section assumes Tails gets to Queen while she backs up firing missiles and flamethrowers at him. Not really gonna happen unless a reason is provided. Tails do not have the range to hit her from the distance she keeps, nor does he have the means to reach her, so dodging for two rounds, (which would be about 15 turns? I don't recall) is entirely plausible. Once Speed and AP amps kicks in, Tails is done for.
If Tails gets hit "a few times" he gets physically crippled, and is far more likely to get hit afterwards due to his injuries, thus, making it impossible for him reach or dodge properly.
Difficult maybe, but possible. From what I've seen when I skimmed the fight, GIGA Queen goes in for physical strikes. From there, Tails could dodge and hop onto GIGA Queen. From there, he can travel to a blind spot quickly due to being very nimble to a degree unprecedented in Deltarune. From there, Queen's options are using projectile attacks which Tails could evade causing them to hit themself.
Zero obligation sure, but regardless it would stall for a minor amount of time, and given their speed would allow for Tails to close in some.
Physically crippled after tanking an attack from a character who only has an AP advantage of 1.273x (before their boost obviously)? That seems unlikely to me, even when accounting for the Soul attacks.
Tails is awfully small, she'd stick to kicks. Tails wouldn't be able to get to her leg before it went out of range. Large Size + Normal Speed playing a role in this, her kicks are extremely agile.
It wouldn't, they start 25 meters apart, and she outranges him with Large Size.
Yes, 1.273x + SOUL Damage would have a very significant effect on someone after, not one, but "a few hits", as you put it. Tails isn't exactly your average tanker. Saying he will be in peak condition after getting hit by Queen would be scandalous, he will get weaker and thus easier to hit
I'm not entirely sure why he wouldn't be able to. He was able to circle around Eggman's mech's fist and land on his back. Said robot was shown to keep up with Tails AND all of his friends (Low Tiers of the verse, like him, not Sonic). If he can do that in a split timeframe, I imagine they could do the same to another enormous robot's leg. Especially since they seem to pause for a very small frame of time which he can certainly use to close in some.
Fair
I just felt like 'crippled' was a strong word. As if he'd be on the floor barely able to stand after a few hits from someone not even twice as strong as him, even if they have soul-damaging attacks. I can agree to it causing some harm and thus being a bit more sluggish, I just felt crippled wasn't the right word.
Yeah, that one shots Thrash Machine--... Wait, aren't both of them in here? So, if GIGA Queen happens to go against it, she just wins?
Yes, I do agree she is very agile, but so was the robot Eggman was controlling that Tails quickly slid past without them noticing. Now that I think about it, I think Tails would play it smart and get ready to ambush them from behind given the Queen's advantage. At that point, Queen would have to look for Tails rather than continuing to just walk backward. From there, Tails as I said can surprise attack Queen, targeting a blindspot. He can from there readjust himself when necessary, and at worst quickly retreat to another hiding spot to repeat the process, although that is unlikely once Tails gets on them.
That's 'tuff. People might cheat.
The thread starter, or the OP, literally is the one who picked Queen for this tournament.
