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Why don't you drop the scans instead of your trust me bro bullshit

Send scans which disQualifies Quantitative Superiority
I don't need to send scans for this. But for your arguments to prove "qualitative superiority" you need more screening and clarification. Otherwise, these statements quantitatively explain the superiority.(not qualitative)
 
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Is not against any argument btw, OP already say fire dew is less not not-exist
Fire dew is exist anywhere in silver sea, because it is order of silver sea. If there are no fire dew, the world is literally cannot exist, not just like bubble to silver bubble, but literally cant exist. Fire dew is not like "owned by lower level of higher level" but owned by silver sea and silver sea spread it to all it encompasses

And this not about the fire dew but about the world. Well quantity of the fire dew is qualitive of the world it self
It's more like fire dews giving life to reality.

I'm sorry, but even if that's true, it's not enough for a qualitative superiority.

Anyway... I'm going for now .
 
He always disagree with anything related to maou so
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Only E12 disagree and that's not unusual at all
You should not be doing or saying this
 
Anyway like Firestorm said, remake the thread, then put the criteria they qualify for from the R>F page and the proofs there. This has kind of turned long
that's exactly what i said .There is insufficient statement and evidence for R>F transcendence
 
I'm referring to perception.
It's clear cut Bubble Worlds Existence can't be perceived by Silver Bubbles inhabitants. It's stated as impossible to prove its existence.
Because it was a bubble world, it would have been impossible to prove the existance of Militia world
To clarify, do the Silver people consider the lower world a fictional story in verbal passing if not as a literal written story?
Supporting Evidences.

Until Militia World Evolved into Silver Bubble it's Existence wasn't able to Perceived by Silver Bubbles inhabitants. The Moment it became the Silver Bubbles then in the Silver Sea it's existence was proven thus Silver bubbles inhabitants started to invade it. But it was impossible until it was existed as just a Bubble World.

Characters who invaded Militia World had to wait
for 14K years (Years doesn't matter but what i am saying is Bubble world existence wasn't be able to proven until it become Silver Bubble). They were instantly able to recognise the Militia World the moment it became a Silver Bubble but it was impossible for them until then.

"How did that come from out in the world?"

"Well, let's see."

 We flew through the sky and out into the black sky.

"The two men who targeted your mother, the Kostoria and the Shipman, if they are also from out of this world, that's puzzling."

 Shin said.

"Indeed. I doubt that they would have come after my mother now, even if they were aiming at the Spirit God Man Sword or my mother. There should have been plenty of opportunities."

 If it's the Spirit God Man Sword, it would have been more certain to target my mother before I was born, while it was still in the temple of the Academy of Heroes.

 But neither Baltzarondo nor Kostoria did so.

"They came around the same time we realized the out-of-this-world possibilities. I don't think that's a coincidence."

"Do you think it has something to do with the world being reincarnated ......?"

"It would make sense if they first discovered this world of Militia after the world reincarnation-- but it doesn't make sense."

 But the rebirth of the world makes it more visible to the outside world, doesn't it?
 Heading to my world, I flew as fast as I could.

 The visibility was poor, but I had memorized the sea route when I arrived.

 As I proceeded, relying on my memory, I eventually saw a silver bubble.

 I feel the magic of Militia.

 I go backwards through the silver light emanating from that small world.

 This silver light is what allows me to enter and exit the small world. It is also from this silver light that Militia's magic power is leaking out.

 So it is reasonable to assume that the silver lamp was not working until the world of Militia was reborn.

 Hence, Kostoria and Balzarondo could not perceive this small world and did not notice Mom and the spirit godman's sword until now.

 It is understandable that they came here after the world reincarnation as if they had shown it to each other.
Well this is about the transcendence, for person in silver bubble world the bubble world is nonexistence compare to their existence and impossible to prove bubble world's existence

This just support the statement above, bubble are insignificance compare to silver bubble

We also have proof that silver bubble is inaccessible for bubble world, the existence of silver bubble is too strong for bubble world to endure, so bubble will just perish if put it in same level of existence with silver bubble
Well Fixxed explanation is better than mine I guess I am not good at English so.
 
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-In short, what is advocated here is to see it as "insignificant" = seeing as" non- existence". But, they don't mean the same. .

-Statements such as "fiction" or seeing "non-existence" should be used in the verse. To see insignificant ≠ to see non-existence.

-Because this "seeing it as unimportant" can have many reasons.
For example; metaphysical, abstract, conceptual, physical superiority... (Also, seeing it as "nothing" can mean many things.)

-"overcoming the upper limits of order with physical strength".This statement in the verse already supports that this superiority is physical. Most of the arguments describe "quantitative" superiority. It's not qualitative.
 
-In short, what is advocated here is to see it as "insignificant" = seeing as" non- existence". But, they don't mean the same. .
Why are you only focusing on the insignificance part? Clearly the amount of fire dew in them (the power of their reality) is so small that it is impossible to prove their existence. Of course, that would be to see them as almost non-existent.
-Statements such as "fiction" or seeing "non-existence" should be used in the verse. To see insignificant ≠ to see non-existence.
I'm bored answering this, and I'm sure everyone on this thread is bored too...
-Because this "seeing it as unimportant" can have many reasons.
For example; metaphysical, abstract, conceptual, physical superiority... (Also, seeing it as "nothing" can mean many things.)
Yes, it can be. But that's not the case here.
-"overcoming the upper limits of order with physical strength".This statement in the verse already supports that this superiority is physical. Most of the arguments describe "quantitative" superiority. It's not qualitative.
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Can you stop seeing it as just the quantity of something that the people in the Silver Bubble consider insignificant. It is not only the quantity of something, but also the power of reality. And that reality is so low that it is impossible to calculate. What does that have to do with the physical?


Anyway, I think it would be better to close this and open a new one, because everything seems to be very complicated.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the bubble worlds directly stated to be smaller then the silver bubbles multiple times?(From the scans in the op) this is similar to how bubble worlds got 5D rating . Ps there are many supporting evidence for qualitative superiority. I don't know how this doesn't qualify for 6D.
 
Why are you only focusing on the insignificance part? Clearly the amount of fire dew in them (the power of their reality) is so small that it is impossible to prove their existence. Of course, that would be to see them as almost non-existent.
Because all assumptions (seeing as non-existence and impossible) are based on this. Seeing a reality as impossible and incalculable does not mean seeing it as non-existence. That is, these expressions are not sufficient for qualitative superiority.

Because seeing insignificant ≠ seeing as non- existence

I'm bored answering this, and I'm sure everyone on this thread is bored too...
It's already been said to be insufficient. Why are you still defending the same arguments?
If the arguments are still the same, the opposing arguments are still the same.
Yes, it can be. But that's not the case here.
This is exactly what the scale is based on. This topic is the skeleton of the scale, and if the argument for the topic is insufficient, the scale is also insufficient.
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Can you stop seeing it as just the quantity of something that the people in the Silver Bubble consider insignificant. It is not only the quantity of something, but also the power of reality. And that reality is so low that it is impossible to calculate. What does that have to do with the physical?
This has to do with physics, because it is said to "transcend order (the earth) by physical force".

You may see a reality as "incalculable" or "trivial" by abstract, metaphysical, physical, or conceptual superiority. Because with these, the laws and plane of that reality will be "insignificant and impossible to calculate" for you. But this is not "qualitative superiority". Such is the case here, the expressions speak of “exceed with physical strengh”
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the bubble worlds directly stated to be smaller then the silver bubbles multiple times?(From the scans in the op) this is similar to how bubble worlds got 5D rating . Ps there are many supporting evidence for qualitative superiority. I don't know how this doesn't qualify for 6D.
Statements speak more of a "quantitative superiority".That's why, he need more than that.
 
Statements speak more of a "quantitative superiority".That's why, he need more than that.
Can you please stop spamming this quantitative superiority shit and make actual arguments thats refutes the evidence given here? As far as i am aware Bubble worlds are 5D and infinite in size . Being stated to be smaller than silver bubbles would basically mean the silver bubbles are bigger which should qualify for 6D.
 
Can you please stop spamming this quantitative superiority shit and make actual arguments thats refutes the evidence given here? As far as i am aware Bubble worlds are 5D and infinite in size . Being stated to be smaller than silver bubbles would basically mean the silver bubbles are bigger which should qualify for 6D.
It is not enough to "see infinitely small" or "to see it as insignificant and impossible".
 
Adding on the fact that reality of bubble world is perceived as insignificant to the point that it's impossible to determine their existence. This should be more than enough for a 6D ratings
The impossibility of determining this entity can be abstract, physical, metaphysical, or conceptual, as I mentioned earlier. You should know this. They've already explained, still stop presenting the same arguments.
 
It is not enough to "see infinitely small" or "to see it as insignificant and impossible".
It doesn't need to be infinitely smaller than the other. Being bigger than infinite would be uncountable infinite which is what the silver bubbles would be compared to bubble worlds as bubbles are smaller than silver bubbles until they are evolved. Your arguments only goes against our standards . I advise you to read the FAQ page again.
 
It doesn't need to be infinitely smaller than the other. Being bigger than infinite would be uncountable infinite which is what the silver bubbles would be compared to bubble worlds as bubbles are smaller than silver bubbles until they are evolved. Your arguments only goes against our standards . I advise you to read the FAQ page again.
To be greater than infinity is not to be uncountably infinite XDXDXD. So let most characters that get baseline in layer 2-A be Low 1-C
 
You may see a reality as "incalculable" or "trivial" by abstract, metaphysical, physical, or conceptual superiority. Because with these, the laws and plane of that reality will be "insignificant and impossible to calculate" for you. But this is not "qualitative superiority". Such is the case here, the expressions speak of “exceed with physical strengh”
Did you just concede 💀
 
The impossibility of determining this entity can be abstract, physical, metaphysical, or conceptual, as I mentioned earlier. You should know this. They've already explained, still stop presenting the same arguments.
What exactly does this metaphysical, conceptual blah blah had to do with anything i said. At this point you are Just strawmaning this thread with these discord debates lol.
 
What exactly does this metaphysical, conceptual blah blah had to do with anything i said. At this point you are Just strawmaning this thread with these discord debates lol.
It is enough to be conceptually or metaphysically superior to appear incalculable and insignificant. But this is not enough for qualitative superiority.

There is a fine line between them, but there is a big difference. You should understand this.
 
It is enough to be conceptually or metaphysically superior to appear incalculable and insignificant. But this is not enough for qualitative superiority.

There is a fine line between them, but there is a big difference. You should understand this.
At this point you are strawmaning the thread & stop spamming same words like random bullshit gg. Already a staff is willing to evaluate because of you they might run away.

You are not contributing anything else.
 
Ain't no way you just said that . I'm not even gonna take you serious anymore as you don't even know wiki standards and keep arguing against it.
This wiki doesn't say that being greater than infinity = uncountable infinity. Just baseline.Saying that, you're the one who doesn't care about wiki standards. It's really annoying to deal with toxic fans.
 
This wiki doesn't say that being greater than infinity = uncountable infinity. Just baseline.Saying that, you're the one who doesn't care about wiki standards. It's really annoying to deal with toxic fans.
Just so someone disagrees with you they are toxic ? Wow Great way to seek attention.
 
At this point you are strawmaning the thread & stop spamming same words like random bullshit gg. Already a staff is willing to evaluate because of you they might run away.
I'm not diverting the topic. I'm just saying that it's insufficient, there are many possibilities and assumptions.
You are not contributing anything else.
I don't have to agree. This is a discussion area.
 
Being bigger than infinite would be uncountable infinite which is what the silver bubbles would be compared to bubble worlds as bubbles are smaller than silver bubbles until they are evolved.
I don't quite agree with that. They can both be countably infinitely large, and the Silver Bubble can be bigger than the Bubble World. For example, if we divide a universe of countably infinite size into two pieces, and then divide one of the pieces into two more pieces, some of them will look bigger than others in terms of appearance. But they will all still be countably infinitely large. At least that is how I interpret it with my knowledge of infinity🤷‍♂️
 
I don't quite agree with that. They can both be countably infinitely large, and the Silver Bubble can be bigger than the Bubble World. For example, if we divide a universe of countably infinite size into two pieces, and then divide one of the pieces into two more pieces, some of them will look bigger than others in terms of appearance. But they will all still be countably infinitely large. At least that is how I interpret it with my knowledge of infinity🤷‍♂️
My bad , i should have used the word "countable infinite" instead but that doesn't change anything as a structure can't be bigger than infinite while still being infinite.
 
I'm not diverting the topic. I'm just saying that it's insufficient, there are many possibilities and assumptions.

I don't have to agree. This is a discussion area.
Yes, you don't have to agree. However, if other users don't find your reasons for disagreeing plausible, there's no need to continue this.
 
Yes, you don't have to agree. However, if other users don't find your reasons for disagreeing plausible, there's no need to continue this.
Users are not important to me(don't misunderstand.), admins are important and no one (Admins) has said they will join so far.
 
Users are not important to me(don't misunderstand.), admins are important and no one (Admins) has said they will join so far.
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@Firestorm808 doesn't seem to have admin to you ?

I already suggested you to drop your condensing attitude and wait for his reply to my comments. You are now just spamming and derailing the thread for no reason without letting an admin to evaluate it. i will just report you if i see another comment from you which doesn't contribute anything here.

It would be appreciated if you give an warning to all who are participating in this thread to stop arguing until @Firestorm808 replies.

@Georredannea15 arguments are repeating and no one except @MaxLevel_King agreed with his interpretation. He will keep derailing if no staff warns him🗿. I don't want this thread to be go one forever. I am fine if Firestorms and Other staff agrees or disagrees but Atleast normal members should reply when a staff makes their reply. Man the scans & argument posted will be hard to read if @Georredannea15 just spams same thing again and again
 
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@Firestorm808 doesn't seem to have admin to you ?

I already suggested you to drop your condensing attitude and wait for his reply to my comments. You are now just spamming and derailing the thread for no reason without letting an admin to evaluate it. i will just report you if i see another comment from you which doesn't contribute anything here.


It would be appreciated if you give an warning to all who are participating in this thread to stop arguing until @Firestorm808 replies.

@Georredannea15 arguments are repeating and no one except @MaxLevel_King agreed with his interpretation. He will keep derailing if no staff warns him🗿. I don't want this thread to be go one forever. I am fine if Firestorms and Other staff agrees or disagrees but Atleast normal members should reply when a staff makes their reply. Man the scans & argument posted will be hard to read if @Georredannea15 just spams same thing again and again
@Firestorm808 didn't say agreed with the topic.
 
@Firestorm808 didn't say agreed with the topic.
For the love of God just stop it. Whenever you try to reply back you change others wording.

"Let a staff to evaluate ≠ staff agreed"

No one said anything about @Firestorm808 agreed with the thread. He is willing to evaluate it and you are desperate enough not to let him evaluate peacefully and spamming same argument again and again.



Stop Replying until he Completes his Evaluation.


I hope you can read this.
 
For the love of God just stop it. Whenever you try to reply back you change others wording.

"Let a staff to evaluate ≠ staff agreed"

No one said anything about @Firestorm808 agreed with the thread. He is willing to evaluate it and you are desperate enough not to let him evaluate peacefully and spamming same argument again and again.



Stop Replying until he Completes his Evaluation.


I hope you can read this.
"Stop Replying until he Completes his Evaluation." That's the most sensible sentence you've ever said on the subject.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the bubble worlds directly stated to be smaller then the silver bubbles multiple times?(From the scans in the op) this is similar to how bubble worlds got 5D rating . Ps there are many supporting evidence for qualitative superiority. I don't know how this doesn't qualify for 6D.
No. Silver Bubbles are never stated to be larger than Bubble Worlds. All Worlds (Bubble Worlds and Silver Bubbles) in the Silver Sea are also sometimes addressed as "Small Worlds".
 
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