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Well, more than one if you read my bulleted post above and it seems you're trying to deny these feats set a precedence in the verse and that's not how this works.Damage3245 said:
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5-B Base Naruto and Toneri
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It's exactly how it works. Here is your train of logic:TheFinalOrder said:
1) Night Guy attack breaks Might Guy's leg when he uses it.
2) Therefore, Night Guy AP/Striking Strength > Might Guy's Durability.
3) Might Guy doesn't break his leg when he kicks normally.
4) Therefore Might Guy's Durability = Might Guy's Striking.
But that chain of logic is wrong.
What it should be is:
3) Might Guy doesn't break his leg when he kicks normally.
4) Therefore Might Guy's Striking Strength = Might Guy's Durability.
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I totally agree with this theoryLgamer099 99 said:
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It's exactly how it works. Here is your train of logic:
1) Night Guy attack breaks Might Guy's leg when he uses it.
2) Therefore, Night Guy AP/Striking Strength > Might Guy's Durability.
3) Might Guy doesn't break his leg when he kicks normally.
4) Therefore Might Guy's Durability = Might Guy's Striking.
But that chain of logic is wrong.
What it should be is:
3) Might Guy doesn't break his leg when he kicks normally.
4) Therefore Might Guy's Striking Strength = Might Guy's Durability.
Nani??? Don't we do this for Deku from MHA???
1) Night Guy attack breaks Might Guy's leg when he uses it.
2) Therefore, Night Guy AP/Striking Strength > Might Guy's Durability.
3) Might Guy doesn't break his leg when he kicks normally.
4) Therefore Might Guy's Durability = Might Guy's Striking.
But that chain of logic is wrong.
What it should be is:
3) Might Guy doesn't break his leg when he kicks normally.
4) Therefore Might Guy's Striking Strength = Might Guy's Durability.
Nani??? Don't we do this for Deku from MHA???
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Anyways tho I agree with Naruto being 5B in base
Sasuke obviously hurt Jigen
I don't know what type of scaling is going on when u dotn take a character sending another character flying twice it's jsut someone controlling his body.
Isshiki didn't feel anything Jigen felt. For the first place Isshiki wasn't going to be the one reacting to anything because he wasn't the one crying at the end of the last chapter. Isshiki wasn't going to show any feelings in the first place he is jsut controlling the body
Sasuke obviously hurt Jigen
I don't know what type of scaling is going on when u dotn take a character sending another character flying twice it's jsut someone controlling his body.
Isshiki didn't feel anything Jigen felt. For the first place Isshiki wasn't going to be the one reacting to anything because he wasn't the one crying at the end of the last chapter. Isshiki wasn't going to show any feelings in the first place he is jsut controlling the body
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> Nani??? Don't we do this for Deku from MHA???
Precisely. So you get what I mean then?
Precisely. So you get what I mean then?
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I mean for the first points I thought we did that for Feku
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Yes, I wasn't saying that the first points were wrong.
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The point was there is precedence in verse that negates the notion Durability > Striking or that Striking doesn't scale from Durability.
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You haven't explained how it actually negates the second part of that.TheFinalOrder said:
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We really are derailing
Sasuke scales to Jigen and was even overwhelming him while tanking his attacks
Naruto scales to Sasuke
Sasuke also scales to Momoshiki
Sasuke scales to Jigen and was even overwhelming him while tanking his attacks
Naruto scales to Sasuke
Sasuke also scales to Momoshiki
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@AstralKing; when has base Adult Naruto scaled directly to Sasuke?
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Damage Naruto scales physically above Sasuke because he literally inherited the body of hag and that's stated. Naruto is literally out here tanking attacks from 6Bs all the way to 5Bs without even dying or bleeding once
Sasuke is still the same Sasuke from the war arc but what's worse this site considers when a character doesn't have a body part they are weaker in the first place.
Sasuke is still the same Sasuke from the war arc but what's worse this site considers when a character doesn't have a body part they are weaker in the first place.
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@AstralKing; I'm pretty sure we've never rated base Naruto as being physically above Sasuke due to " inheriting the body of hag ". I'm not actually sure how that's relevant. Can you elaborate?
@Celestial Judge; that's not a proper striking strength feat. It's a durability feat.
@Celestial Judge; that's not a proper striking strength feat. It's a durability feat.
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That's not a durability feat at all they clashed against each other jsut like how Naruto and Sasuke always clashed against each other and that's a facts
Also I do think we rated them off of the statements but that was years ago when the manga was ongoing
And even if we don't rn we need to because of how relevant it is
Also u keep talking about durability'. U do realize taijutsu users have to have AP that is always equal to their durability right? They train their bodies to be physically strong.
In Naruto durability clearly equals AP when it comes to taijutsu
We have seen this too many times
Also I do think we rated them off of the statements but that was years ago when the manga was ongoing
And even if we don't rn we need to because of how relevant it is
Also u keep talking about durability'. U do realize taijutsu users have to have AP that is always equal to their durability right? They train their bodies to be physically strong.
In Naruto durability clearly equals AP when it comes to taijutsu
We have seen this too many times
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@AstralKing7; it's the other way around as I've explained. You scale their durability from their striking strength, not their striking strength from their durability.
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Yes that's if they don't have any durability feats but AP feats.
Also we do scale them To each other when it's case by case like taijutsu
If a Taijutsu user has a certain amount of durability then his AP should automatically scale because taijutsu users train their bodies to be physically strong.
It's a fact that if a character can withstand certain amount of physical force Applied to their body than their own physical abilities are equal to their durability
I'm not talking about energy attacks I'm taking about physical abilities.
Taijutsu has durability and striking strength equal because of the fact that they have to train their bodies to be physically strong
Also we do scale them To each other when it's case by case like taijutsu
If a Taijutsu user has a certain amount of durability then his AP should automatically scale because taijutsu users train their bodies to be physically strong.
It's a fact that if a character can withstand certain amount of physical force Applied to their body than their own physical abilities are equal to their durability
I'm not talking about energy attacks I'm taking about physical abilities.
Taijutsu has durability and striking strength equal because of the fact that they have to train their bodies to be physically strong
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> Taijutsu has durability and striking strength equal because of the fact that they have to train their bodies to be physically strong
You keep repeating yourself, but that doesn't make what you're saying any more truthful. I've told you time and time again that you've got it backwards:
We scale durability to striking strength because of Newton's Laws.
We don't scale striking strength to durability unless we have evidence supporting it.
"Training your body to be physically strong" has no connection to it at all.
You keep repeating yourself, but that doesn't make what you're saying any more truthful. I've told you time and time again that you've got it backwards:
We scale durability to striking strength because of Newton's Laws.
We don't scale striking strength to durability unless we have evidence supporting it.
"Training your body to be physically strong" has no connection to it at all.
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The anime is secondary canon, so we can use the feats from the momoshiki fight as supporting evidence, right? If so we can clearly see base Naruto hurting fused momo.
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Dude...the evidence is literally Sasuke. When he wasn't scaling to physically 5B last year he had durability feats from fighting Momoshiki. Guess what now since his durability was that high that whole time and the latest chapter just proven that his striking strength is indeed 5B
That means his striking strength should have scaled to his durability the whole time because of the fact that u say we scale durability to striking strength
If we know his durability is 5B then his AP is obviously
This is simple algebra because we are given the inputs and outputs.
5B=Sasuke's durability
Sasuke's AP=X
Rules for the formula= durability has to scale to striking strength
Because we know that his durability is 5B his AP is as well as long as nothing contradicts its
Nothing contradicts Naruto physically being 5B when it's stated that he inherited the body for Hag. When Naruto physically fights base Sasuke and tanks attacks from other 5Bs and clashes with Momoshiki which is AP not durability it's a clash jsut like every DB fight
That means his striking strength should have scaled to his durability the whole time because of the fact that u say we scale durability to striking strength
If we know his durability is 5B then his AP is obviously
This is simple algebra because we are given the inputs and outputs.
5B=Sasuke's durability
Sasuke's AP=X
Rules for the formula= durability has to scale to striking strength
Because we know that his durability is 5B his AP is as well as long as nothing contradicts its
Nothing contradicts Naruto physically being 5B when it's stated that he inherited the body for Hag. When Naruto physically fights base Sasuke and tanks attacks from other 5Bs and clashes with Momoshiki which is AP not durability it's a clash jsut like every DB fight
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> Rules for the formula= durability has to scale to striking strength
That's not what that has to be at all; durability can scale above striking strength.
> Nothing contradicts Naruto physically being 5B when it's stated that he inherited the body for Hag
Can you provide a link to this? I remember this being described differently.
That's not what that has to be at all; durability can scale above striking strength.
> Nothing contradicts Naruto physically being 5B when it's stated that he inherited the body for Hag
Can you provide a link to this? I remember this being described differently.
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I may be remembering wrongly, but I don't think that base Naruto hurt Momoshiki once. Instead he was completely outmatched by him.Wrath Of Itachi said:
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Damn dude didn't u just see where I said if it's not contradicted AP will scale to durability like u literally jsut over looked that
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Naruto got up completely unscathed by his attack while the other kage were down for the countDamage3245 said:
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"If it's not contradicted AP will scale to durability".AstralKing7 said:
That's what I've been arguing against for most of this thread.
@Celestial Judge; that concerns durability, not striking strength.
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I was only correcting you, you said he was outclassed, He got hit and got up completely fine smiling.Damage3245 said:
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"If it's not contradicted AP will scale to durability".
That's what I've been arguing against for most of this thread.
@Celestial Judge; that concerns durability, not striking strength.
U have been the only one arguing agaisnt it with the same arguments about durability being higher than AP when Naruto has feats and statements
That's what I've been arguing against for most of this thread.
@Celestial Judge; that concerns durability, not striking strength.
U have been the only one arguing agaisnt it with the same arguments about durability being higher than AP when Naruto has feats and statements
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What statements does he have?AstralKing7 said:
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Naruto inherits this whole it's known that Sasuke inherited the eyes
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@AstralKing7; by itself, that statement doesn't seem to mean a lot. He has a life of life-force and physical energy, sure. But how does that prove that base Naruto is always physically superior to base Sasuke?
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Thats universally known...Damage3245 said:
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base naruto block momoshiki punch with his hand
he physically stop momoshiki punch
if naruto didnt had 5-B Strength than that punch wouldve sand him flying
this is his(1st panel) 5-B Strength feat not dura feat
stop saying its dura feats
1st panel Strength feat
2nd panel reaction feat
3rd panel Durability feat
i don't know why this person keep ignoring this and derailing the threads
he physically stop momoshiki punch
if naruto didnt had 5-B Strength than that punch wouldve sand him flying
this is his(1st panel) 5-B Strength feat not dura feat
stop saying its dura feats
1st panel Strength feat
2nd panel reaction feat
3rd panel Durability feat
i don't know why this person keep ignoring this and derailing the threads
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Asura vs Indra
Hashirama vs Madara
Naruto vs Sasuke
The Asura Reincarnates are usually the more physically stronger while the Indra Incarnates are mote visual prowress adapt. Like dude you are in a CRT and do not even know the most basic of things in Naruto. How is this allowed.
Hashirama vs Madara
Naruto vs Sasuke
The Asura Reincarnates are usually the more physically stronger while the Indra Incarnates are mote visual prowress adapt. Like dude you are in a CRT and do not even know the most basic of things in Naruto. How is this allowed.
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This should probably wait until after the 5-B revisions.
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Where are these revisions?Wrath Of Itachi said:
