It is if you have Rae with him in the stopped time. And Rae's is not limited.
Dio's time stop isn't limited either dude. And it gets longer, indefinitely, every time he uses it.
Yet, unlike Raven, he actually resists time stop, she doesn't.
Takes time for him to try all, he doesn't do them sequentially and the Titans are very capable Fighters and strategists
He can literally stop time and is MFTL. No, it doesn't, he glances at them, he wins due to mind control. He spores them, he wins, etc. He doesn't need to try them all because they don't resist ANY.
TW isn't blitzing them all or something like this
It actually is, TW is a blitz level of speed over Dio. Not as big as most Stands, but, ya know.
Also, again, TIME STOP. There is no fight. He can do whatever he wants.
He doesn't? He may have LS higher than some of them but not AP that will wreck their durability or something alike.
Did you forget the part where not one can interact with TW? AP is a literal nonfactor, it won't help them escape it's grabs because the force they apply doesn't interact with it.
Also, as they're all blowing Dio apart with sheer AP, Dio will have a hard time using TW
No he won't because all of them get passively incapped, mindhaxed, he can stop time, etc. Also not ONE of them will actually try to kill him off the bat, this is in character, not bloodlusted.
Very hard to believe this is a thing when they all have durability and AP tremendously higher than both him and TW.
Do you not comprehend how Stands work? They can't TOUCH IT.
It's written "heat and ice manipulation" so if she resists extreme cold, yes she has a point here. It's da rulez.
Yeah maybe if you wanna be ignorant and ignore the fact it has several effects beyond "erm me chilly".
It is not at all the first thing he does and they have dealt with some of his stuff for the mind he uses, it is not a stomp factor as you put, though it is indeed a factor for some of them who are very easy to scare, like I pointed out earlier.
Not how this shit works. Dio's passive fear aura cripples those with no resistance. NONE of them have resistance.
If they have resistance, they then FLEE FOR THEIR LIVES.
It isn't "oh he scary", it's an actual supernatural ability he has, one they do not resist. Every single of of them gets incapicated, if you do not like this, go give them +1 fear manip res.
A very big number of matches here in this site are like this, nowadays.
How about don't add onto it?
We have some instances where the first thing he does is use fear and etc but using all his stuff in this sense first-thing is not his style.
No it like, actually explicitly is, the magazine actively points out how he can, and will use everything he has at his diposal depending on the situation, his foes, etc. Dio doesn't just "punch".
He leads with fear manip, that's ACTUALLY the first thing he did against the crusaders.
He leads with trying to recruit (should they further his goals), this is shown like a dozen times, and is stated to have happened a bunch off screen.
Dio only actually engages in direct combat should he have intel on his foes, they also explain this, otherwise, he takes no chances.
And, you're forgetting, he can stop time, he gets a million free moves.
Rae's usual strategy is to keep away and fly kinda high, so if TW comes at her, it'll be weaker.
Damn, sucks that Dio can fly then? And also stop time?
Dio's very naive so when he sees that she's moving in his stopped time, she'll be at least able to get some great damage on him.
SHE CAN'T. This is not something she can do, she has no resistance. The ONLY way is if she stopped time first, as it'd be HER time stop, not his.
Dio isn't naive, like, actually knock it right the **** off.
Also Dio has to pray that she doesn't decide to use her TS, cuz if– more like "when" as she is a very intelligent strategist in coming up with s*** on the fly and notices every single thing happening in the battlefield as creativity is needed for her TS– she notices how his TS works (only for a couple seconds, upping 1 or 2 every usage), she will be discovering (much for his sadness) that if she keeps it stopped, he'll be completely vulnerable after his time.
Ignoring the fact Dio is exponentially more intelligent than her, you realize the fight ends before it even begins? She doesn't have fear manip res, she doesn't have time stop res (and he's 100% stopping it first), none of her allies have any res, so she's gonna be dealing with them, and as she's dealing with them, assuming she isn't frozen with fear or mind haxed herself, he stops time and just spores her or some shit idk, he can do literally whatever he wants safely, doesn't matter which, he could even just biomanip into draining her life force, killing her, making her a zombie, all while amping his physicals to stupid degrees via her life energy, or any other of the dozen methods he has to win.
Also, remember that not only Terra, BB and Starfire have LS bigger than TW, but this is also true for Rae, who can just completely negate TW using a forcefield to protect her from whatever it is she can't see (and forcefields are, indeed, part of her strategy).
Sucks they're all fear incapped, mind haxed, can't act in stopped time, interact with TW, etc.
Also sucks that TW can phase? Forcefields don't matter at all, they're literally useless against it.
Rae is much more than a problem here, and as she only improved from time to time to keep herself chill and in control, she may be his utter and complete doom.
No she's really not, I THOUGHT she was, but she has no resistances to a single thing he has, which is bad when some of that is passive, spammed constantly, and his go to's.
Just thought about it: Rae is also capable of making multiple forcefields so whenever she notices this is the complete and utter solution for her, she'll be doing this to her friends, mostly nullifying TW's LS advantage on the few who he have it.
It can PHASE my dude. Also all her friends are gonna be on her ass, assuming she herself isn't just crippled and vomits where she stands.
Which is viable though improbable, meaning this is fair
Let it be known, you're actively saying this isn't a stomp, I don't wanna hear how they can't get past shit later then.
To conclude that those youngsters are viable for attaining heaven, he'd first use his aura (which is passive) than he may try it later during the fight one by one
So you acknowledge it's passive, yet ignore it completely?
But again, he won't have it easy to get everyone and not all members of the team will be surrendering to his aura due to facing this before
Literally ALL of them will. His aura can ALREADY effect those with super natural will. Even those who actively trained against it and knew it was coming freaked the **** out over it again.
Won't be a thing in this fight as who uses close combat is more experienced than him and is not something he used 100% of the time, just sometimes
This is such a dishonest take. Dio actively AVOIDS close combat, it's why he sent so many assassins. He doesn't engage in fights he isn't sure he can win, he says this, he does this becaue of his overconfidence 100 years ago. The guides say this, the recent magazine even says he is extremely cautious, constantly predicts what will happen, and never engages in direct combat if he's at risk.
And by the time he thinks is a good idea to use it, things will be gone too south for him, as pointed out earlier.
LITERALLY MFTL AND TIME STOP. Mind hax is also his lead, he's literally doen it more than he's threw hands.
So he won't use. I don't recall him using it at all so we should really not take this into consideration
Also he's LITERALLY DONE IT FOUR TIMES ON SCREEN IN A FIGHT.
This is not in the profile, TW only has "Aura", no explanation nor Fear Manip associated with it
So we just lying?
Said most of this a couple times.
You literally don't know how Stands work.
She usually envelops herself in her magic...so yeah.
Usually isn't always, and phasing.
She uses her TK to """shinratensei""" whatever is holding her and use the forcefields i mentioned earlier
She can't interact with TW, what do you not understand? Her TK can't even touch it.
Most of them are unapplicable in this fight via counter by sheer strategization by his opponents or simply not a single usage in part 3 canon...
They can't counter when time is stopped, half are mind haxed, dead because freezing do be a instant kill on several.
And, say sike, have you even read Part 3? It's literally his go to.
or the now innexistent insta fear hax
You literally don't read shit do you?
Or they have experienced some of them and as a team know how to deal with.
Literally none, not one, has res listed, let alone against that which effects supwill.
Every argument you have presented is extreme ignorance and just flatout ignoring accepted shit.
Her TS has no limitation of time, and she not only can but will be countering due to the sheer nature of TW's TS. From Dio's profile Weakness section:
Not how TS works, how his TS works.
"Someone else with the ability to stop time
may be able to think and move during The World's stopped time"
Keyword there, may. She, is not included because SHE HAS NO RESISTANCE.
This shit only applies to those who actually resist time stop to begin with.
Her time stop not having a limit means jackshit if he stops time and lo and behold she's effected.
Her TK LS is sufficient, and when she envelops in her soul-self she can (and usually does) get intangible, so I'm confident she can and will.
Extremely unfortunate TW has layered NPI and can interact with her soul state, and her TK can't interact with TW.
He won't be able to nor capable of applying all of them, talked about mindhax couple times so won't be doing it again
"The MFTL+ Time Stopper can't do anything except punch".
Except for...
Only the laser has this range, the fear manip is not existing, much less range specified.
The scans are LITERALLY on the profile, stop yapping and actually read properly.
The rest is about TS, which I also have spoken about a lot.
You've gave zero actual arguments.
As it pretty much all (consider that due to repetition) arguments from notoriously the Jojo guy in the forum were given, as I see it, reasonable responses giving TT a wincon, imma cast my vote for them.
"hey if you ignore Dio's accepted fear manip, all his mindhax, pretend he's an idiot, give them all unaccepted resistances, ignore Stand physiology which is both accepted and listed, assume they all work together and areb't effect by stuff literally on profile, pretend Raven can move in other time stops and, etc they'd win".
This is legitimately some of the most blatant, disingenious, straight up ignorant arguments I have ever laid witness to.
