21st Century Schizoid Man VS 20th Century Boy

[Listentomyrhytm]

Okay, if this is a mismatch or stomp tell me.

Doppio(with KC's arms) vs Magent Magent(with Dynamite Belt + 20th Century Boy). Both act in character, neither have previous knowledge of eachother, fight takes place on The Colleseum. Doppio can switch to Diavolo any time(this can be changed if stomp)

At paranoia's poison door, 21st century schizoid ma: 1

Yea I'm your toy, your 20th century boy: 0

I'm on the highway to hell, on the highway to hell: 1

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

bump

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

21st century schizoid bump

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

early bummmmmmmpo

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

bumperoo

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

20th century buuuump

 

[Chariot190]

Probably inconclusive, Diavolo cant harm him in anyway at all but Magneta cant exactly harm Diavolo due to precog, erase and the fact he's immobile when utilizing his Stand.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

1 vote for inconclusive

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

If Diavolo just grabbed Magent Magent by the shoulders and lifted him up off the ground so that he's not on his knees anymore, would it work?

 

[Chariot190]

No. He wears the stand itself, the Stand makes him invulnerable to damage and most forms of energy. Can also redirect damage through the ground and air.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

I don't think so. Also everyone is just ignoring that he starts out as Doppio. Magent Magent would probably try to quickly get up and shoot Doppio or activate his dynamite belt to explode him and then quickly went back to his position so he ends up unharmed.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

I think Doppio will probably see the explosion happening via Epitaph. The predictions can be very vague, but they aren't entirely useless either.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

I was actually bringing it up as a key point for Doppio, since if Doppio can get a hit in to prevent Magent from activating the explosion or getting a hit in then running away before the explosion. Or hell, if he switches to Diavolo he can use Time Erase before Magent does that and then donut him as Magent tries to make the belt explode.

 

[Armorchompy]

Doppio's precog doesn't work like that. If he sees himself getting hit by the explosion, he will get hit by the explosion. And switching to Diavolo isn't instantaneous.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

True, then he gets hit by the explosion but endures it, or is just either heavily injured.

 

[Chariot190]

Switching to Diavolo takes 10 seconds (stated), less if Diavolo is prepared to switch ahead of time ad Doppio aint super cognizant.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

I'm sorry, but could you tell me what cognint is? I am still learning english and I dunno what that word is.

 

[Chariot190]

Typo, I just got up, cognizant is what I meant. Basically being aware and conscious and doing his own thing. If he's relaxed Diavolo can seemingly take control faster.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

But what does that mean

 

[Chariot190]

Edited.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

Ah, I see.

 

[Armorchompy]

Even then, against Risotto, it took them a lot to switch. Just because the amount of time for the switch is 10 seconds doesn't mean Doppio can't get interrupted, or that Diavolo will isntantly order him to.

 

[Chariot190]

Even then, against Risotto, it took them a lot to switch. Just because the amount of time for the switch is 10 seconds doesn't mean Doppio can't get interrupted, or that Diavolo will isntantly order him to.

Actually that's where the time cmes from, Diavolo said that if he willingly took control of him it'd take 10 seconds. Diavolo prior wasnt trying to make himself fully known or manifest.

 

[Armorchompy]

Yeah, I feel like it'd be the same here, except that Magent Magent is a lot less threatening than a 2 meters tall goth mafioso with red and black eyes, which means he'd hesitate even more in risking to expose himself.

 

[Chariot190]

That's true but that really doesn't matter, Doppio cant really harm him but Magent cant do shit either, pistols aint tnt aint doing shit because King Crimson arms.

 

[Armorchompy]

Oh yeah, I wasn't arguing against that. Magent's only hope is in the belt, and since Doppio's a very aggro kinda fighter, in a way, I can definitely see him get hurt significantly by it.

 

[Chariot190]

But all he really needs to do is use King Crimson to block it. And if it doesnt ohko that's it he aint getting another shot, it's a one time belt.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

He also has his firearms but that doesn't matter since doppio could block them

 

[Armorchompy]

He only has his arms, those aren't big enough to block an explosion. And Doppio is Athlete level in dura, one hit definitely kills him.

 

[Chariot190]

But the TNT belt explosion aint even that big? King Crimson's arms could definitely block the majority of the damage. And given how he uses it with the energy redirection, it would actually be less hard.

 

[Armorchompy]

I dunno, even if they blocked the majority of it his legs would still be exposed to it and blown away, then Magent Magent would just have to sit in 20th Century Boy until he bled out. The TNT explosion would be big enough to do that at close range I feel. Do you have a link to the pages when he does that though? I'd like to review them.

 

[Chariot190]

>Untill he bled out.

My dude, that's like the most useless thing ever to do to Doppio, reminder that he basically did bled out from much worse wounds and was fine after a bit of eating, he never did go to a hospital or anything to patch his wounds.

Also the explosion aint instant and if Doppio jumps back like Wekapipo did he'd be fine, or at least not in such a state where he wouldnt be able to walk it off like Metallica. Especially as King Crimson can block any debree quite easy and possibly protect his entire body if Doppio curled up or jumped away upon ignition (or KC grabbing a piece of the ground to defend).

https://********.org/chapter/24519/38 here you go, it looks to have a radius of 1-2 few meters.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

I'm gonna go get the scans

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

ah, looks like I'm late lmao

 

[Armorchompy]

that looks more like 2-3 meters but anyway.

And I know Doppio's stamina is incredible, but if he lost his legs he wouldn't be able to do anything.

Considering the explosion is 8-C, I doubt debris would help at all. Anyway, the thing is, Doppio is a lot less careful and observative than Wekapipo was. I wouldn't be surprised if he barely noticed the belt at all.

 

[Chariot190]

I mean I can calc it if ya want, but magenta is kneeling there. (although you right it does look closer to 3 meters).

He wouldnt lose his legs though? He can do a handful of things to mitigate any damage. Hell he may even be able to toss him like Arigamy said (although doing so wouldnt make him any less invincible even when not kneeling, as long as he has the Stand on, he can still move Magenta though).

The explosion only looks to be 9-C, with 8-C debree. That's actually false, he was intially reckless yeah but when he calmed down he deduced the situation he showed great deduction skills, and don't forget he has Diavolo's help here, Diavolo still talks to him and gives him pointers even when not in control, Doppio was incredibly cunning, he just got outsmarted by Nero in the end. And Magenta is actually kinda stupid and reckless himself, he doesnt think ahead (hell his tnt trick took him prep to think up, he's generally considered an idiot by the cast).

 

[Armorchompy]

The wiki calls the explosion 8-C, and there' also the fact that the debris being stronger than the explosion makes very little sense.

And that's true, Magent isn't that bright. But his strategy would take a lot less brain than Doppio needs to counter it. And while it's true that Doppio is only reckless at the start of a fight, rereading the manga, he's VERY reckless. I honestly doubt he'd even notice the belt...

... However, Magent does not know Doppio's a stand user, and has no reason to lead with the belt when he has his shotgun, so he'd likely just get slapped by KC's arms.

 

[Chariot190]

It literally cant be though, the explosion came from a few sticks of dynamite. I mean maybe Wekapipo aint 8-C I guess? I know his gyro feat is bullshit, it's outright stated that that attack wasnt at full power and when he did get hit with a full power steel ball, it blew a hole in him and went stright through him. But he did take a punch from D4C (albeit casual and it didnt look like it meant to kill, only prevent him from saving Dio) so idk. It just seems odd that a small explosion derived from a non supernatural source is 8-C. Although maybe the explosion was only small due to be riderected out via his Stand.

idk I think curling up and using the arms as a shield or using something to mitigate the damage or jumping back aint that hard to do. That's only a half truth, he was only reckless against Nero intially before trying to deduce the situation because he knew Nero was a Stand User, was already backed into a corner and wanted Nero off of him and he was trying to take his attention away from the envelope.

That's true, but he wouldnt get slapped, he can heal damage via his Stand as long as the damage hasnt fully happned yet. Although if that happens, Diavolo may tell Doppio to stay back whil he tries to figure out what to do or come himself. Although thinking on it, can't Diavolo just like, throw him in a pond or burry his ass if he decides to turtle? How he lost in canon, hell he's still dwn there to this day.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

Although thinking on it, can't Diavolo just like, throw him in a pond or burry his ass if he decides to turtle? How he lost in canon, hell he's still dwn there to this day.

Magent Magent was only just trapped via some wires and a steel pole thing, which Wekapipo only managed to do via throwing his steel ball and surprising Magent. It's a win-con but the way you said it makes it seem like Magent would just stay there doing nothing while Diavolo tries to bury him or throw him.

 

[Armorchompy]

It's kinda like how guns in Metal Gear are 8-A, or how Bully's weapons are stronger than real life guns despite being non-lethal toys.

There'd definitely still be quite a bit of damage imo.

I feel like both would rapidly guess the other is a stand user, simply cause that's how jojo characters think. But yeah, he wouldn't be as careless, though the reason he was so reckless was more because of Risotto's attack on him.

Diavolo absolutely would be able to do that, but doing that would leave a chance that he might escape one day with the secret of his identity, and Diavolo would never leave that possibility open.