2-C only requires FUN Values and the lines from alphys, it's quite solid in comparison. That said, I'm fine with this, honestly. I would just like any other minor indication of this interpretation, because saying one particular line "might mean X" and giving a rating is kind of weak for Tier 2 imho, even for possibly.
Equal
I mean, I wouldn't think its just the sans statement being taken into play here, if we consider that RESETs do create timelines, than consider Flowey's RESETS + 6 human souls RESETS (we don't know how many times they reset, but we know they reset at least once) it is very likely get the size of the verse to 2-B. Sans referring to 'other sans-es' also helps this interpretation, if you want to take this as every sans you meet is a new one, but the line is kind of supporting evidence for Undertale having a multiverse in general, I would think.
You're begging the question.
I brung up the other 'sans-es' point just to bring into consideration. Even then, just because the RESETs create timelines interpretation is supported by one statement, doesn't mean its not worth rating, the alphys statement supports both the 2-C and 2-B interpretation, as brung up earlier 2-C and 2-B pretty much use the same proof, just interpreted differently. Although, it seems we already settled with a 'possibly/likely 2-B' rating, so this is probably not much to debate about specifically unless brung up again.
Nope, it only supports "more than one" timeline, which is 2-C. Supporting 2-B is a direct implication that the number I'd higher than 1000. Neither Alphys, nor Sans' "other sans-es" statement support 2-B. And don't try to say "but it opens the door for the possibility", please. You know it's not a support to 2-B.
Alphys and the 'Other Sans-es' statement support undertale having a multiverse in general, which is why I said it supported both interpretations. Why would a RESET creating a new timeline be very specific?, it is just that a RESET causes a old timeline to stop and a new one to begin, I would think it is rather simple, at least to me. Yes he could mean we are restarting a new timeline, but as said this is just a different interpretation of the same scans, and doesn't exactly disprove the other 2-B interpretation. FUN could just be explained as some specific differences a new timeline has. As said the 2-C I get, but the 2-B is very much still possible and should warrant a tier, just not a solid one, as i've said before.
And I explained that's incorrect, the fact you have a multiverse isn't a support for the multiverse having a thousand timelines. The lines don't support your interpretation whatsoever, it doesn't even tackle it.
Being simple doesn't mean it's not unsupported, specific, and nonsensical.
There is no need to disprove an interpretation that has no evidence to back it up in the first place. The interpretation that requires the least amount of assumptions should be the one indexed in the profiles, not one that requires the Reset function to do something it has never been stated to do. Undertale 2-C only requires the fact Sans used plural, it's undisputably the best interpretation.
"Could be just differences-".
Well, when you put it like that... ovo
You can't have it both ways, if Start is meant to create, by the very nature of the statement, Stop will imply destruction, they are presented as opposite interactions on the same context. That's why 2-B is very assumption based and why we shouldn't be indexing it even as a possibility.
First off, are we really gonna give Asriel, flowey, Chara, Frisk and The Player existence erasure because of this? Timelines stopping means coming to a halt, starting means beginning. Whether or not old timelines are halted or new timelines begins. Nothing implies timelines being erased as they wouldn't be able to be detected in the reports stated by lazy bones himself.
Define be reckoned
I'd assume take place at.
That's where the story starts. There's no difference other than the tense. One is past one is present.
I see. But still it is quite irrelevant innit?
No. If I'm not mistaken (I very well might be which is why this will be my last comment for now as I'm neutral and have little to no knowledge on this verse) start is meant to be represented as the creation of the verse. Tio is saying it could be the start of the story which isn't a feat.
I...don't know how to respond to that. But I believe @TioKill can
Hmmm. What about all the other timelines left around by flowey's shenanigans?
They weren't left, they were reset too. You have a set number of values called "FUN", when you reset, you change your FUN value, allowing for different events in this Timeline, unrelated to the player. Meaning these are natural variations between timelines, essentially proving you're in a different one.
I see.
I was also confused when this came up
I'm fine with this as well, but given how the data, and game mechanics are canon to Undertale (even with repercussions for messing with the values, Dirty Hacker ending), there's nothing wrong with using the values found in the files.
By this logic A LOT of games have game mechanics as canon. Placeholder dialogue for impossible scenarios is very common.
This is a topic where I'm the "Who the hell even knows?" spectrum, I only comment in the things I have an issue with.
I dozed off everytime I tried to understand the 2-B ratings: In the previous thread because I couldn't find the arguments in the sea of replies, here because I have been awake for 18 hours.
