Eggman knows the Chaos Emeralds exist and has been defeated by them numerous times, is it honestly not fair to say Eggman accounted for their power when he made the statement.
Yes it is perfectly fair, specially considering that his plan involved him taking out sonic and shadow first, if he conquered the world, then no one would be able to loom for them
Also, again, you seeing things this way really doesn't matter for the way Eggman saw it, specially when it is made clear what he is referencing there
Eggman has no reason to be overconfident, he does overlook things sometimes but he’s also been defeated by the Emeralds so many times that it’s even part of a gag in TSR
That is what we call a character flaw, he has no reason, but he still is, arguing what you found logical doesn't matter for Eggman's character
and he’s incorporated the Emeralds into his plans to know how strong they are. If he thought the PR could only stand up to base Sonic, there’s no reason he would be so confident it was unstoppable.
Hax, hax makes strenght irrelevant as it is noted in our page for it
He clearly needed the Ruby for its strength about as much as its hax, if the Ruby was just had Infinite wouldn’t have curbstomped Sonic on a level comparable to what Time Eater did to him (knocking Sonic out)
Non sequitur, the ruby being focused by eggman on hax doesn't mean that it also doesn't boost power
How is it hax, if they’re making the shield
energy shield = hax, sonic as a verse doesn't even have an energy all characters have like dragon ball, tell me, what "energy" are they giving here exactly? And would this "energy" be am UES for it to scale to them physically? More over, wouldn't this "energy" only apply to the special form they were in instead of their normal selves?
, if the End can recharge Supreme with its energy, why can’t it be paralleled on the hero’s side with the heroes recharging the shield with their energy.
One has nothing to do with the other, i will not even bother to say anything more on this baseless comparison
The shield is made with the same energy Sage uses to attack, the red/blue cyber energy, it’s part of a UES she has.
I want you to prove all that you have just said, that it is an UES, that it is what she is using to make the shield, that it is the energy she uses to attack
The proof is she channels the energy out of her hands as red cyber energy, the same way she does for every other action she takes, including her attacks.
As above, prove this, because right now, you are guessing and not showing evidence
I. Didn’t. I said Sonic fought Void in base; making Void a base Sonic opponent, and then sticking Void under the umbrella of opponents Infinite would be stronger than via the statement of him being the strongest enemy. I never said Sonic harmed Void even a single time.
and his hype statements of power, which allow him to scale above Void, and who Sonic does harm.
No feats besides Base Sonic getting scaling to a Chaos Emerald count less than 7, which created cyberspace, a realm with its own flow of time, infinite/unquantifiable data, and multiple universes due to the Ancients’ souls and dreams existing within.
You said it yourself, that is scaling and not a feat of his own, besides, the dream of the ancients as universes exist in MW, we don't accept currently as both being the same, this mucj was said by shake and me when we made the conceptual thread
Or how Base Sonic scales to Erazor absorbing half the energy out of the Arabian Nights, a realm with 8-1001 worlds and one of which containing an infinite corridor and astral plane.
Unless all of those "world" are universes, this is low 2-C, as the page currently accepts it
Or how Base Sonic tanked the
paradox prism explosion, which split his universe consisting of “countless” stars and worlds into a Shatterverse with at least 5, possibly countless Shatterspaces of universal size. Etc.
Can you at least try to use anything but assumptions? Prove this number of shatterverses, all we know currently is of 5, so it is 5, anything demands you to show proof
If the characters hadn’t contributed at all, then Sage’s shield would have broken and The End would have killed everyone.
Strawman, i haven't said they didn't, they did, however you are arguing that they contributed in a way that would scale to them in AP, which is what you need to prove
Somehow, the cyber characters could make the shield repaired, and I doubt they used time hax to rewind the shield, or used healing, otherwise they could have kept repairing the shield when the End hit it.
Or they just made their own shield to overlap and aid sage, you know, the SIMPLER ANSWER?
The fact they could only fortify the shield once implies they were putting their own energy into it
and what "energy" would that be? And why would it scale to them physically?
and they don’t have limitless energy to keep refilling the shield. Which makes them weaker than The End; who can infinitely repair Supreme with its energy, thus still making a base and super hierarchy.
Again a worthless comparison, now you need to prove that they are refiling in the same way
Besides, you keep ignoring this
FRONTIERS SHOWS THAT THE GAP BETWEEN SUPER AND BASE FORMS STAYS THE SAME AS THEY GROW IN POWER, SO A SUPER FORM WOULD STILL BE INFINITIES STRONGER THAN ANY BASE CHAR, so the only way for them to block an attack from someone like that is of they SCALE DIRECTLY
