Let's ignore the fact that the Void fight is an outlier and that the Forces marketing is the primary definition of false advertisement. The fact that Sonic Forces is still being taken seriously in this day and age is just sad. And this is coming from someone who bought and played the game.
^This too as to why this upgrade is complete ass
It’s not really an outlier if Sonic is scaling to it only at the end of his journey currently, after he had gotten much stronger than Low 2-C.
It was brought up that Infinite should be stronger than Void as the game consistently at least implies as a threat that base Sonic faces he’s unrivaled. Sonic Forces is littered with hints that Infinite is strong.
Still
Dude
He’s the strongest of the base tier villains, because Sonic stayed in his base form the whole game and he’s powered by the strongest copy of something that was considered a peer or comparable to the Master Emerald to the point Eggman didn’t need it anymore, and roughed Sonic up on the level of Time Eater and the Titans.
Base tier villain? Now how do we make this distinction?
A much stronger base Sonic.
That still as not a normal fight, where Sonic fought he alone with his own physical attacks.
Can we stop acting like everyone wants to wank Sonic because he got a taste of Tier 2? The notion that Infinite is up there in terms of power (and therefore Sonic) has been a belief long before the upgrade since 2017. Now you’re just being rude about it.
Again, that's just bending the statement to your advantage. The statement itself is very blatant. Infinite is the strongest one of them all. You either take it at face value, or you don't buy it at all. You don't just bend the statement to your advantage so that it gives us feats but still isn't completely BS
I expect the same to happen once we finalize the DC heralds upgrades
At that point it’s just extrapolating a lot, it just says he’s the strongest enemy of Sonic, not the strongest opponent Sonic fights alone (which he doesn’t, he gets help from the Rookie), or that he can beat with physical strikes
I’m not extrapolating that from the statement, that is what is accepted and on Infinite’s profile right now. But sure, I can take it at face value too, if Sonic can grow strong enough to beat enemies that are superior to super form tier threats on the Low 2-C level, there’s nothing saying he can’t grow to the 2-B/2-A level, especially when Solaris is all the way back in 2006 and Sonic is continuously getting stronger, sometimes by an infinite degree.
You can argue that it’s only referring to Base Sonic’s enemies because it says that after Zavok, Chaos, Shadow and Metal are introduced. Eggman should have data on the precioustone and if Infinite says the ruby is unrivaled despite being given all the data Eggman has… then I think it’s safe to say Infinite is above the likes of Void.
Sonic never leaves his base form in Forces. It’s really that simple
I guess that's too bad for Infinite cause that kinda crosses out him scaling to the big boys
Yeah if Sonic had gone Super to combat Infinite, this would be a whole other discussion
Yes it is perfectly fair, specially considering that his plan involved him taking out sonic and shadow first, if he conquered the world, then no one would be able to loom for them
That is what we call a character flaw, he has no reason, but he still is, arguing what you found logical doesn't matter for Eggman's character
Hax, hax makes strenght irrelevant as it is noted in our page for it
Non sequitur, the ruby being focused by eggman on hax doesn't mean that it also doesn't boost power
energy shield = hax, sonic as a verse doesn't even have an energy all characters have like dragon ball, tell me, what "energy" are they giving here exactly? And would this "energy" be am UES for it to scale to them physically? More over, wouldn't this "energy" only apply to the special form they were in instead of their normal selves?
One has nothing to do with the other, i will not even bother to say anything more on this baseless comparison
I want you to prove all that you have just said, that it is an UES, that it is what she is using to make the shield, that it is the energy she uses to attack
As above, prove this, because right now, you are guessing and not showing evidence
You said it yourself, that is scaling and not a feat of his own, besides, the dream of the ancients as universes exist in MW, we don't accept currently as both being the same, this mucj was said by shake and me when we made the conceptual thread
Unless all of those "world" are universes, this is low 2-C, as the page currently accepts it
Can you at least try to use anything but assumptions? Prove this number of shatterverses, all we know currently is of 5, so it is 5, anything demands you to show proof
Strawman, i haven't said they didn't, they did, however you are arguing that they contributed in a way that would scale to them in AP, which is what you need to prove
Or they just made their own shield to overlap and aid sage, you know, the SIMPLER ANSWER?
and what "energy" would that be? And why would it scale to them physically?
Again a worthless comparison, now you need to prove that they are refiling in the same way
You should’ve waited until I introduced the Arabian Nights revision because then it would be hard to argue that 2-C/B/+ Sonic is an outlier.
It shouldn't. If he's the strongest enemy, he's the strongest enemy. No distinction with the super forms ones was made
I’m aware. It’s still a massive outlier, I mean we’re talking the tier of the peak of Super forms. Gonna need a boatload of consistency to get that accepted, and this is nowhere near enough. Void as a whole is a huge outlier, being the only such opponent Sonic beats in base form
We made that distinction because Sonic never exits his base form in Forces
it has nothing to do with Base form. The statement said he's the toughest enemy. That's all there is to it.
Yes it actually does matter, hence why it was accepted as such. Plus you got contradictions like Giganto being as strong as past Super form tier bosses
Dude, you don't get my point. My point is that you don't just "half accept" statements. Infinite being as strong as all the past bosses is what it said. You either buy it, or you don't. To accept most of it with an exception (not clarified in the statement itself) is dishonest, as it means that the statement is still objectively inaccurate, yet we use it for scaling
You are scaling him above the ME, aka FAR ABOVE any super sonic tiers up until now
