(2-0-0) Pokémon Wall of Hax vs Jojo Wall of Hax

[theultimate5105]

so because a mod says that it's valid? i can understand for consultant because they know that, but if not them then Appeal to Authority fallacy

mods usually at least understand how it works if they are talking on it

man.. i think you know that "it functions like a passive" but "it's not a passive" can't be a thing, it's either not passive or passive. Since it's something that happend instantly, like if you do an action it get instantly reversed, and giorno dosen't know it, it's passive.

what if you don’t do anything is it still passive. No it isn’t because passives activate before that happens

GER speed is outdated CRT. you can check yourself

I checked that CRT all it says is that he scales above infinite speed also he can return to zero stuff so then even being null is just his RTZ you haven’t even proved that kars could even copy his stand

Behind what?

the fact that they are on the list

No, passives are always active meaning they are instantly, while we can say infinite speed is like a time stop and you can do everything in 0 seconds, so they are equal

Infinite speed is not like time stop unless it is specific levels of infinite speed which is moving in zero time
which nothing in Jojo has shown just statements of baseline infinite

 

[manu_zarri]

mods usually at least understand how it works if they are talking on it

you said yourself - "usually" meaning not always, you don't need be a mod for that, also being mods have nothing to do with knowing about the scaling, that's for consultants as far i know

what if you don’t do anything is it still passive. No it isn’t because passives activate before that happens

Passive are already active, and they can do that in 0 seconds. and infinite speed can do the same thing

I checked that CRT all it says is that he scales above infinite speed also he can return to zero stuff so then even being null is just his RTZ you haven’t even proved that kars could even copy his stand

The CRT talk about the Null being unquantificable and stuff. I doubt you readed it all. Also Kars can do anything in his verse, he understanded a stand that beated ger so.

Infinite speed is not like time stop unless it is specific levels of infinite speed which is moving in zero time

bruh.
"While time stop, which could be viewed as an infinite speed amplification"

which nothing in Jojo has shown just statements of baseline infinite

so for you ger infintie speed is baselie? lol

 

[theultimate5105]

you said yourself - "usually" meaning not always, you don't need be a mod for that, also being mods have nothing to do with knowing about the scaling, that's for consultants as far i know

We have a thread for this now

Passive are already active, and they can do that in 0 seconds. and infinite speed can do the same thing

Infinite doesn't need to be that it can be a infinite distance in finite time

The CRT talk about the Null being unquantificable and stuff. I doubt you readed it all. Also Kars can do anything in his verse, he understanded a stand that beated ger so.

Jojo is one of the worst verses for ABC scaling with characters countering each others abilities

bruh.
"While time stop, which could be viewed as an infinite speed amplification"

Infinite x whatever it is currently
not just infinite

so for you ger infintie speed is baselie? lol

Never said that GER>Baseline but that doesn't mean it is infinite above baseline

 

[manu_zarri]

We have a thread for this now

i know, i even replied

Infinite doesn't need to be that it can be a infinite distance in finite time

it's the same thing, the percpection is the same.

Jojo is one of the worst verses for ABC scaling with characters countering each others abilities

ok? i don't really see the point, Kars is a like-composite JoJo

Infinite x whatever it is currently
not just infinite

Infinite x anything that isn't infinite = Infinite. but no, as said in thread about infinite speed and passives, time stop and infinite speed are related

Never said that GER>Baseline but that doesn't mean it is infinite above baseline

Unquantificable with the explanation of null thing, as said in the thread.

Either way, I checked and power null is due to Arceus power null is capable of nulling conventional natural attack such fire manipulation etc... understands isn't like them so

 

[theultimate5105]

it's the same thing, the percpection is the same.

maybe i don't even know if it is

ok? i don't really see the point, Kars is a like-composite JoJo

He doesn't copy every ability so he isn't

Infinite x anything that isn't infinite = Infinite. but no, as said in thread about infinite speed and passives, time stop and infinite speed are related

You ust admitted to there being hi

Unquantificable with the explanation of null thing, as said in the thread.

That null thing doesn't put it any higher then above baseline
the null thing is just describing what RTZ is returning to zero or returning to the starting point

Either way, I checked and power null is due to Arceus power null is capable of nulling conventional natural attack such fire manipulation etc... understands isn't like them so

He has every ability in pokemon including powernull that nulls other passives (abilities) which are abilities like moldbreaker that powernull. It would be impossible to have his page if every ability had every justification (probably would break the record for the most words on a page)

 

[manu_zarri]

He doesn't copy every ability so he isn't

stated that he can so he can do that for every stand in jojo verse at very least

You ust admitted to there being hi

wht?

That null thing doesn't put it any higher then above baseline
the null thing is just describing what RTZ is returning to zero or returning to the starting point

well, Giorno page is "ranking none stats" as justification to being unquantificably superior to infinite speed

He has every ability in pokemon including powernull that nulls other passives (abilities) which are abilities like moldbreaker that powernull. It would be impossible to have his page if every ability had every justification (probably would break the record for the most words on a page)

Mold Breaker negates abilities and effects that would reduce the damage taken, reflect status effects, grant resistances and prevent Regidrago's attacks from causing damage). which none of them is related to Understand in particular way

 

[theultimate5105]

stated that he can so he can do that for every stand in jojo verse at very least

I meant he doesn't have every ability

wht?

I think my keyboard glitched lol

well, Giorno page is "ranking none stats" as justification to being unquantificably superior to infinite speed

yeah it doesn't need to be infinitely superior just superior

Mold Breaker negates abilities and effects that would reduce the damage taken, reflect status effects, grant resistances and prevent Regidrago's attacks from causing damage). which none of them is related to Understand in particular way

Negates abilities which are passives also that is not nearly everything it can do

 

[manu_zarri]

I meant he doesn't have every ability

but he can have every ability in the verse

I think my keyboard glitched lol

Ok?

yeah it doesn't need to be infinitely superior just superior

Unquantificable superior, also noobody really said infinite, i just said everything compared to it's nothing so

Negates abilities which are passives also that is not nearly everything it can do

Said ability are either ability that reduce damage or reflect status effect. nothing to do with understand

 

[theultimate5105]

but he can have every ability in the verse

if he manages to copy them but he doesn't

Unquantificable superior, also noobody really said infinite, i just said everything compared to it's nothing so

None of the scans say everything compared to nothing
It is superior to MIH but not to the level you think it is
the return to nothing means nothing on its own or is RTZ and null just means it is above those stands

Said ability are either ability that reduce damage or reflect status effect. nothing to do with understand

There are a lot more things it can nulify include ones that adapt like colour change

 

[manu_zarri]

if he manages to copy them but he doesn't

He can copy them, so he can copy abilities with same hax.

None of the scans say everything compared to nothing
It is superior to MIH but not to the level you think it is
the return to nothing means nothing on its own or is RTZ and null just means it is above those stands

Null stats says otherwise, it's unquantificable above.

There are a lot more things it can nulify include ones that adapt like colour change

someone who adapt to colors? hm in which context it would be usefull?

 

[theultimate5105]

He can copy them, so he can copy abilities with same hax.

But he doesn't have them which is the important part

Null stats says otherwise, it's unquantificable above.

which doesn't mean it is above by larger sum then Arceus is to Necrozma

someone who adapt to colors? hm in which context it would be usefull?

Its not that its a ability that changes types depending on what attack its hit by so Adaptation

 

[manu_zarri]

But he doesn't have them which is the important part

He didn't had them because he didn't care, just like how he knows beyond and the protagonists but dosen't care about it.

which doesn't mean it is above by larger sum then Arceus is to Necrozma

ok, btw you still didn't show the scans. also I think ger rtz is better unquantificable

Its not that its a ability that changes types depending on what attack its hit by so Adaptation

can you give a better context?

 

[InfiniteCosmology]

The battle song is good.

Arceus vs Novel Kars

2-B Avatar Arceus vs Kars with all his Stands

Speed Equalized

Battle Music

 

[theultimate5105]

ok, btw you still didn't show the scans. also I think ger rtz is better unquantificable

You need to prove why RTZ is above a large normal gap

can you give a better context?

Whenever the user of the ability gets hit with a move their type changes to the type of that move

 

[manu_zarri]

You need to prove why RTZ is above a large normal gap

Because it was accepted on CRT and because page have null stats as infinite speed

Whenever the user of the ability gets hit with a move their type changes to the type of that move

like i use a Fire type move and it became a Psychic type move?

 

[theultimate5105]

Because it was accepted on CRT and because page have null stats as infinite speed

That just means its above regular infinite

like i use a Fire type move and it became a Psychic type move?

no you use a fire type move and it changes to fire type, you use a steel type move and it changes to steel

 

[manu_zarri]

That just means its above regular infinite

nah, they espically says it's unquantificable in the CRT

no you use a fire type move and it changes to fire type, you use a steel type move and it changes to steel

huh?

 

[theultimate5105]

nah, they espically says it's unquantificable in the CRT

unquantifiable on its own means nothing it just means a unknown gap is there

huh?

It turns into the type it was last hit by

 

[Sonicflare9]

arceus fra

 

[manu_zarri]

unquantifiable on its own means nothing it just means a unknown gap is there

Unquantifiacble isn't Unknown, it's just, as name said, Unquantificable.
and Giorno one was due to another reason

Also Kars can pretty much adapt to a god which see jojo multiverse as mere fiction, so.

arceus fra

it's a dead thread.

 

[theultimate5105]

Unquantifiacble isn't Unknown, it's just, as name said, Unquantificable.
and Giorno one was due to another reason

it is unknown unquantifiable is just a unknown gap

Also Kars can pretty much adapt to a god which see jojo multiverse as mere fiction, so.

Adaptation is an ability that gets nulled so
sucks that Eternatus doesn’t have a profile when his powernull is literally everything that is not 4-D in pokemon so it’s easier to prove

 

[Chariot190]

The understand is nullified before it does anything

Commenting on this because this is dumb, "understand" isn't a power to be nulled in the first place, it's literally just Kars going "Oh I get it now" 90% of the time.

Though that doesn't change the fact this match ******* blows.

 

[theultimate5105]

Commenting on this because this is dumb, "understand" isn't a power to be nulled in the first place, it's literally just Kars going "Oh I get it now" 90% of the time.

it is nulling Adaptation which is one of the primary abilities of it

Though that doesn't change the fact this match ******* blows.

It definitely does

 

[Chariot190]

it is nulling Adaptation which is one of the primary abilities of it

And? Kars' adaption isnt done through some magical power or whatever, nor is it done through some magical special ability, I'm well aware of how Arceus' null works, and I'm also well aware of how Kars' "understand" functions mechanically, it's not mutually exclusive.

But as said, that doesn't change the fact there's a ******* unreasonable amount of bullshit being said on both sides and this thread needs to cease and desist given it's now completely unsalvageable.

 

[theultimate5105]

And? Kars' adaption isnt done through some magical power or whatever, nor is it done through some magical special ability, I'm well aware of how Arceus' null works, and I'm also well aware of how Kars' "understand" functions mechanically, it's not mutually exclusive.

But as said, that doesn't change the fact there's a ******* unreasonable amount of bullshit being said on both sides and this thread needs to cease and desist given it's now completely unsalvageable.

I guess then it wouldn’t work
Eternatus null might but not profile

 

[manu_zarri]

ye i don't really care about the match and i don't even like debate anymore but noobody still proved how arceus would deal with D4CU

 

[Chariot190]

ye i don't really care about the match and i don't even like debate anymore but noobody still proved how arceus would deal with D4CU

Isn't Pokemon 2-A now?

 

[theultimate5105]

ye i don't really care about the match and i don't even like debate anymore but noobody still proved how arceus would deal with D4CU

barrier which blocks space time manip and he can just create another avatar

 

[manu_zarri]

barrier which blocks space time manip and he can just create another avatar

ye.. very usefull defensive abilities vs defensive abilities

Isn't Pokemon 2-A now?

ye but idk if the avatar got the range. also we was using 2-B key if im not wrong

 

[theultimate5105]

ye.. very usefull defensive abilities vs defensive abilities

Oh and I thought you meant the 2-A BFR which I am pretty sure he has

ye but idk if the avatar got the range. also we was using 2-B key if im not wrong

Yeah we are using 2-B and the avatar does have the range

 

[manu_zarri]

Oh and I thought you meant the 2-A BFR which I am pretty sure he has

Yeah we are using 2-B and the avatar does have the range

i wasn't refering to that, but anyways don't quote me, since im basically not intrested in debating anymore. and im pretty inactive now