God of war upgrade and clean ups

[jotarostudio9812]

Just adding some powers and abilities that are missing to some characters but not all

Kratos

Demigod:

Telekinesis: via the amulet of ouroboros can make its target float in mid air when it activates.

Ghost of sparta

Conceptual manip type 1: via absorption his absorption based powers can affect on conceptual level,he absorbed Thanatos' death existence, that he becomes the death itself.

Abstract Existence Type 2: replacement for type 1

Ares:

Multiple Limbs and Body Control and Natural Weaponry: can command his spider legs

Duplication: can summon doppelgangers that exist as an illusion, which can harm and kill kratos(in alt ending) .

Regeneration low-mid: can regenerate after he has stabbed by his spider legs

Dimensional travel: can travel trough different dimension.

Precognition: Compared to kratos as god of war who can see all war in different timelines.

Range:

Interdimensional: via dimensional travel/BFR

Deimos:

Self-Sustenance type 2: it appears he survives without starvation as a prisoner in domain of death.

Summoning: can materialize a spear that he loses.

Thanatos:

AE Type 1 and Concept Manip Type 1: as a primodial being he controled the concept of death and embodies it.

Non-physical interaction: can harm the other primordials which is abstract concepts.

Has everything in scourge of erinys: the power originates from him. And resistance to it

Resistance to

Time manipulation: The Primordial Gods predate the conceptual existence of time.

Soul manipulation and deconstruction: can survive being hit by the eye of atlantis.

Gods (Zeus, Ares, Hades, Kratos, Thanatos and Gaia)

Low-mid regeneration & immortality type 3.

Sisters of fates.

Immortality type 3 & regeneration mid: artropos can regenerate after being stabed in the head

Fate manip: self-explanatory

Time travel: can travel trough time

Summoning: artropos can summons the fates' sentry.

Life & death manip: via fate manipulation can control all life on the earth, and can kill everyting in greek mythology by cutting their thread of life

 

[KLOL506]

I'll look into these abilities in a short while, but bear in mind that we already have another much-needed CRT in the plans that should cover all these aspects.

 

[KLOL506]

Just adding some powers and abilities that are missing to some characters but not all.

Kratos

Demigod:

Time and gravity manipulation: via the amulet of ouroboros can make its target float in mid air, the time manipulation works on a character that predates the concept of time

That's just Telekinesis, but the Amulet already has Time Manip and Age Manip I believe.

And predating the concept of time doesn't mean much for its potency unless they're shown to resist it TBF. The Sisters of Fate literally control all aspects of time and fate themselves yet they're not exactly immune to their own Amulet.

natural law and order.

Island of Rhodes was retconned hard.

lava manipulation: via ifrit can summons a stand that shoots lava plume.

Looks fine at a glance.

Conceptual absorption,power mimicry: via absorption his absorption based powers can affect on conceptual level, it's been shown that he absorbs ares' war/hate embodiment turns him the new god of war and acquired all his powers,and same same thing he absorbed Thanatos' death existence, that he becomes the death itself.

Kratos already has Power Mimicry and he's supposed to get Conceptual Absorption in the upcoming CRT.

As gow(ghost of sparda-gow3):

Blood absorption: via scourge of ernys the dark void can drain the blood of its target.

Nah, that's just the Void damaging them when it comes into contact and rips out their life-force.

Illusion/perception manipulation: cast an illusion that trick midas.

Kratos did nothing at all, this is just Midas hallucinating.

Resistance to matter/quantum destruction: see his resurrection

That's PoH Kratos, not GoS Kratos.

Has everything that ares and thanatos power

He already has Ares's powers by default as per his character description. Thanatos, definitely a likely, but this would neg Kratos's Abstract Existence Type 1 to Type 2, since he only embodies Death, he still has a physical form he needs to survive with.

Range:

Likely/possibly low multiversal: via godly and hades power, the underworld is stated to be alternate dimension and the time and daytime flows different shown in gow1 novel.(this is not a hyperbole and it's supported by these multiple statements and cutscenes( the underworld's daytime is completely different than the normal universe.) the underworld is a separate realm than standard universe.).

We'll handle this in the upcoming Tier 2 GOW revision CRT.

Ares:

Non-physical interaction: compared to other gods who can harm abstracts like helios and souls.

I believe @GilverTheProtoAngelo was going to make a case in the new CRT about the gods embodying the aspects they control, like Cronos and Zeus taking over Uranus's position as the embodiment of the skies and so on and so forth, so right now this just seems too incomplete to add. On top of this, they don't really affect those concepts so I am hard-pressed to say this'd be NPI TBF.

Hades should definitely have it tho, since he can **** around and find out with souls however he likes.

Hammerspace: he can store/summons all his equipment and gadgets when he needs.

Kratos already has it. GOW2 Novel Chapter 27.

Technopathy: can command his spider legs, which appears to be a mechanical object.

That'd fall under Multiple Limbs now. Good find tho.

Duplication: can summon doppelgangers that exist as an illusion, which can harm and kill kratos (in alt ending).

Seems fine.

Gravity manipulation: creates a portal with a strong gravitational pull. His gravity manipulation affects the nearest galaxy, which rotates more faster than a normal galaxy.

That's just BFR.

Reality warping & power null: he made kretos powerless and removing all his powers and equipment.

He has them both already (Just the reality part hasn't been separated yet). He also has all of Demigod Kratos's abilities.

Precognition and clairvoyance: knew that kratos succeeded his quest in Pandora's box. shown he can predict that kratos will become death itself. Compared to kratos as god of war who can see all war in different timelines.

Eh, IDK about this, the first one is just Enhanced Senses (Which Ares has further support for in the novels which doesn't involve Kratos). The whole "Death Itself" thing kinda doesn't fit this since nobody knew whether GOW1 would even have a sequel at that time, the concept doesn't work until at least you reach Ghost of Sparta. At best he should just scale to Kratos's vision viewing (Where he saw countless future wars and his own mother crying out for him).

Non-corporeal & Abstract existence type 1: his soul is the war and hate itself ( this tells that he embodies the war and hate itself. And this implies how he survives the complete erasure after he sent Kratos in the other realm(gow2 novel ch47) and allows him to exist as a formless being.) For more info why this is abstract.1&2

NO.

This only applies to the Primordials and Fear Zeus (And Athena is already incorporeal in her "Higher Existence" form), the Abstract Nature blog and the CRT go into explicit detail about this. All those other beings that aren't Primordials or Fear Zeus require a physical form to live, which negs them to being AE Type 2. At best this is just support for AE Type 2 for the other gods, but again, requires more digging and it's why it was left for the inevitable Tier 2 CRT.

Immortality 3,4,8: upscales athena, compared to kratos,zeus and primordials who can revive multiple times thanks to the concept that they embodied.

Yes to Type 3, hard no for Type 4 or 8 except for Fear Zeus (Technically he wasn't even dead to begin with, he just played possum) and Hope Kratos. Athena only resurrected because of her selfless sacrifice. Kratos only resurrected because of Hope and was then cursed to live on forever due to his crimes against the Gods. None of the Gods killed by Kratos could resurrect. Nor did Ceto or Uranus resurrect despite being literally Type 1 AE beings, because they themselves are the concepts which then got taken over by the other gods (Cronos and Zeus for the Sky, Oceanus and Poseidon for the Sea, and finally, Gaia for the Earth itself).

Regeneration mid-godly: can regenerate after being completely erased from reality, that leaves just only an abstraction.

Kratos's soul wasn't destroyed nor is there any showing where Kratos even regenerates from having his entire body reduced to nothing. Low-Mid the best regen feat for majority of the gods for being able to straight up heal from disembowelment not involving the Blade of the Gods or the Blade of Olympus.

Life,magic,energy,conceptual,power absorption and nullification: via absorption, compared to kratos and zeus absorption. upscales the other low level characters who can absorb and nullify the power of other characters. showed that he absorbs kratos aura before he is sent into the alt dimension.

We don't give abilities to other characters just because they fought each other, they have to demonstrate their own feats. But Ares did by stealing all of Kratos's magic and weapons so that should be the justification used.

Possibly Fate/probability manipulation: Thanatos stated the gods can decide the fates and compare to sisters fates.
Which he made the outcome that kratos will kill his own family without noticing it with blind rage.

Not really, notice how he straight up said "And the Sisters of Fate make it so".

As for Ares, he purposefully placed them in that temple to make it come true, he didn't just magically say the words and they went there by their own.

Has everything in gow1(and possible previous games) kratos' power.

Range:

Possibly Galactic: scales to his gravity manipulation/reality warping, His gravity manipulation affects the nearest spiral galaxy, which rotates more faster than a normal galaxy. And The nearest galaxy that is affected by his manipulation can creates a flash of light that luminates the entire galaxy.

BFR at best, but still Galactic Range BFR. It's nothing compared to his actual roar tho.

Deimos:

Non-physical interaction & soul manipulation: compared to kratos.

No. We don't scale NPI and Soul Manip just by powerscaling like that. Kratos is just... built different.

Weapon mastery,martial arts mastery,acrobatics,psychometry,technique mimicry: Scales to kratos who can master all weapons that he obtained, showed that He mastered the arm of sparta without formal training. capable of copying all kratos Arm of sparta's moveset.

Incorrect, Deimos already had a bit of training as a kid because of course, Spartan tradition.

Explosion,energy manipulation and attack reflection: via the arm of sparta.

Attack Reflection is fine, but Explosion Manip and Energy Manip is a no, this is just Kratos throwing his spear and shield really hard and fast.

Creation: can materialize the spear that he loses.

Works fine.

Life,magic,energy,conceptual,power absorption and nullification: via absorption, compared to kratos and zeus absorption. upscales the other low level characters who can absorb and nullify the power of other characters.

No. Again, we don't give abilities to other people just by the basis of powerscaling alone.

Immortality 1,2,3 and 4: compare to gods and gow2 demigod kratos who can revive

No, none of the Gods can revive. They'd have Immortality Types 1, 2 and 3 via scaling to the other gods and having similar regen as them. Kratos was resurrected by Gaia for his wound. Zeus is just... Zeus.

Regeneration mid: compared to his father who can regenerate after his skull gets split and open.

No. In the failed QTE for GOW2 where you fail to fool Zeus right before he hits you with the Blade, Zeus cleaves Kratos's head and kills him instantly.

At best I can see Zeus get a "Possibly Mid" from this but unless it's shown to be severe brain damage, best to just stick with Low-Mid and use this as further justification.

Resurrection: compared to his brother who can revive from death.

No. Kratos was revived by Gaia. The novel goes into this even deeper, Hades even loses his shit when he learns that Zeus sending Kratos to the underworld had failed miserably, and he immediately accused Zeus of ******* around with the process.

Thanatos:

Breaking the fourth wall: He knows about kratos as a playable character in the game.

No. This is just referring to the manipulation of the fates by the Sisters.

Non-physical interaction: can harm the other primordials which is abstract concepts.

Thanatos will need a much needed overhaul much like the Primordials, but yes this is one of those things that will get added in the upcoming Tier 2 CRT. Best to wait until then.

Resurrection: scales to uranus. Died during the war, then he resurrected after the war.

Here's the thing. Uranus never died, in the video you showed, he's only knocked back. Ceto is the one who truly died, Ourea only lost a limb which became the mountains. He lived to see his son Gyges. Even the Greek Pantheon Blog addresses this. As well as the original upgrade thread, the one after that, and the failed downgrade thread. If Uranus died he'd have no grounds to scale to his creation feat to begin with. That and if he died the Titans would not exist. Nyx and Thanatos also survived the war.

Regeneration low-godly likely mid-godly: compared to Uranus who can reformed after his body is destroyed completely.

Again. Uranus never died. He survived the war. Nyx and Erebus survived the War as well. Not every Primordial died. Even Chaos survived, she gave birth to Gaia.

Creation,reality warping and space-time manipulation: the primordials can create galaxy or universe with his physical attack. He created the Domain of Death, which lies outside of the universe.

It's really a side-effect of their physical blows. Only Morpheus is worthy of Reality Warping and potential Space-Time Manip, but Creation is already there in their powers and abilities lists.

Matter,elemental,mind,soul manipulation:
Scales to the primordials who can create/destroy and manipulate these powers.

Thanatos should only get Soul Manip. It's not like every Primordial has the same exact ability set. Each Primordial is different aside from having the baseline typical abilities.

Conceptual manipulation: as the primordial he created the concept of death and embodies it.

Yeah, this is fine, this was a long time coming. But again, Thanatos is gonna need an overhaul which will be covered in the upcoming Tier 2 CRT. Just gotta wait until then.

Immortality 3,4,6,8: The primordial gods are conceptual in nature that reshape the entire Greek verse, and can reborn after death thanks to the concept they embodied.

Again, a lot of the Primordials didn't die. Uranus survived, Erebus and Nyx survived. So anything beyond Immortality Types 1, 2 and 3 for peeps that aren't Fear Zeus or Hope Kratos is a crapshoot.

Compared to Gaia who can use his other self from different timelines, and can exist in modern day alternate reality as a conceptual nature of earth.

The first only scales to Gaia as per the novel, and the second is retconned and unusable. The only usable alternate reality as per WoG is the timeline where Kratos fails to save the Blade of the Gods from being shattered and gets killed in tandem with his past self getting shanked by Ares.

Has everything in scourge of erinys: the power originates from him.

Looks fine, but again, they will all be covered in the upcoming CRT.

Resistance to

Conceptual,Time,physics and law manipulation:
The Primordial Gods predate the conceptual existence of time

These are fine.

and natural law and order itself,

But this shit got retconned to unusability by the comics and Ascension. Which nukes Law Manip out of the window.

 

[jotarostudio9812]

I've update the op and remove all the misconception

 

[ATalentedMaid]

Gravity manipulation: via the amulet of ouroboros can make its target float in mid air when it activates.

Didn't Klol already correct this? This is telekinesis.

lava manipulation: via ifrit can summons a stand that shoots lava plume.

Not really, since the attack itself is being described as explosive-ish.

Explosion Manipulation could work

Conceptual absorption: via absorption his absorption based powers can affect on conceptual level,he absorbed Thanatos' death existence, that he becomes the death itself.

*Absorption via the Blade of Athena, which works on a conceptual level, yes.

Resistance to matter/quantum manipulation: see his resurrection

There's a lot of vagueness there, notice how Hope is said to be able to bring him back against those Matter-Hax. That implies that those hax would still work on him, not that Hope resists them, which is not the case.

Possibly Non-physical interaction: compared to other gods who can harm abstracts like helios and souls.

As mentioned above, it will be in a separate thread, since this will scale to a lot of characters. moreover, Nyx is yet to have the type 1 AE.

I know the fact that The primordial themselves are Abstract in nature, however a CRT must be accepted first, and we can only work with what has already been accepted as per the profile.

Technology manipulation: can command his spider legs, which appears to be a mechanical object.

Scan of this?

I think Bodily Weaponry would fit better.

Duplication: can summon doppelgangers that exist as an illusion, which can harm and kill kratos(in alt ending) .

Scan of this?

Dimensional travel: can travel trough different dimension.

This is BFR, and it has already been listed on his profile.

Possibly Non-corporeal: exist as a formless being in the different dimension.)

That Ain't formless, he creates his own dimension that he can manipulate, which he used to communicate with Kratos via Reality Warping inside.

Attack reflection: via the arm of sparda.

What Attack Reflection you are referring to? There was nothing that could reflect an attack from what I saw.

 

[jotarostudio9812]

Didn't Klol already correct this? This is telekinesis

It shoots a green beam that floats it's target, and there's no mention the amulet can grant telekinesis on it's user in order lift it's target.

Not really, since the attack itself is being described as explosive-ish.

Explosion Manipulation could work

The second move it shows that can creates an mini volcanic eruption on the ground

*Absorption via the Blade of Athena, which works on a conceptual level, yes.

I've forgot the blade

There's a lot of vagueness there, notice how Hope is said to be able to bring him back against those Matter-Hax. That implies that those hax would still work on him, not that Hope resists them, which is not the case.

Effective agains high level matter hax, This tells kratos corpse can resist high level matter destruction.

As mentioned above, it will be in a separate thread, since this will scale to a lot of characters. moreover, Nyx is yet to have the type 1 AE.

I know the fact that The primordial themselves are Abstract in nature, however a CRT must be accepted first, and we can only work with what has already been accepted as per the profile.

Yes it does.
But he need an NPI it's showned that he can kill the doppelganger version of kratos' family which appears to be an illusion.

Scan of this?

I think Bodily Weaponry would fit better.

The spider legs is one of his standard equipment and he use magic in order to operates it

Scan of this?

Gow 1 where kratos fights his duplicates and protects his family

This is BFR, and it has already been listed on his profile.

Yes he bfr's kratos and follows him. The main reason in gow 2 he vanish alongsided alonside with kratos.

That Ain't formless, he creates his own dimension that he can manipulate, which he used to communicate with Kratos via Reality Warping inside.

But it appears to be.
There is no mention that he creates a actual dimension, the night sky and galaxy is just an illusion supported by gow1 novel. But the dimension is true.

What Attack Reflection you are referring to? There was nothing that could reflect an attack from what I saw.

The shield, that can reflect projectile, same shield that kratos uses in GoS. the reflection show chase is rarely in youtube, but If you have an emulator just try it in combat arena

 

[KLOL506]

It shoots a green beam that floats it's target, and there's no mention the amulet can grant telekinesis on it's user in order lift it's target.

It does not pull or push based on gravity. It only creates a green orb that causes enemies to float mid-air against their will. Not to mention the amulet doesn't have gravity based powers either.

Effective agains high level matter hax, This tells kratos corpse can resist high level matter destruction.

No, it's just Immortality Type 8 being bonkers.

But he need an NPI it's showned that he can kill the doppelganger version of kratos' family which appears to be an illusion.

Illusions don't necessarily need NPI as per my knowledge. They could be tangible for all we know.

The spider legs is one of his standard equipment and he use magic in order to operates it

No. They are just extra appendages that emerge from his body. Multiple Limbs and Body Control and Natural Weaponry suit it best.

Yes he bfr's kratos and follows him. The main reason in gow 2 he vanish alongsided alonside with kratos.

Ares isn't technically... there to begin with.

But it appears to be.
There is no mention that he creates a actual dimension, the night sky and galaxy is just an illusion supported by gow1 novel. But the dimension is true.

No, it's not an illusion, it got retconned by both GOW2 and its novel, it's blatant BFR. In GOW1 Novel, Kratos doesn't even use the Blade of the Gods to kill Ares, he kills him with his own blade, but GOW2 and its novel contradict it by keeping the blade in place. Novels are secondary canon, where any contradiction immediately favors the games.

 

[KLOL506]

Not really, since the attack itself is being described as explosive-ish.

Explosion Manipulation could work

Huh. Weird.

I think Bodily Weaponry would fit better.

Multiple Limbs would be better as well in combination with this, since they appear out of his own body.

This is BFR, and it has already been listed on his profile.

That Ain't formless, he creates his own dimension that he can manipulate, which he used to communicate with Kratos via Reality Warping inside.

Technically there's no mention of Ares ever creating the dimension himself, the only solid evidence we have for it being real is that Kratos witnesses himself getting sucked into it in GOW2 and its novel which retcons Ares's mindhax being peak retcon level bullshit.

What Attack Reflection you are referring to? There was nothing that could reflect an attack from what I saw.

Mainly regarding elemental attacks you get from the other supernatural foes.

 

[ATalentedMaid]

The second move it shows that can creates an mini volcanic eruption on the ground

What second moves? The very next thing it does is unleash an explosion attack. Also there was no mention of a mini volcanic eruption in the scans neither in the game.

Yes it does.
But he need an NPI it's showned that he can kill the doppelganger version of kratos' family which appears to be an illusion.

You went from saying this:

Possibly Non-physical interaction: compared to other gods who can harm abstracts like helios and souls.

To this:

he can kill the doppelganger version of kratos' family which appears to be an illusion.

you deviated from what you said. Moreover, killing ilusion won't grant you a NPI AFAIK.

The shield, that can reflect projectile, same shield that kratos uses in GoS. the reflection show chase is rarely in youtube, but If you have an emulator just try it in combat arena

Well, That weapon appears only in GoS. Also You are welcome to send that scan you mentioned if you'd like this to be accepted.

Technically there's no mention of Ares ever creating the dimension himself, the only solid evidence we have for it being real is that Kratos witnesses himself getting sucked into it in GOW2 and its novel which retcons Ares's mindhax being peak retcon level bullshit.

Yeah. Using it as a idiom here, as Ares himself isn't really formless. Since he controls the dimension, thus he can communicate. Also, stripping off BoC was nothing but him reality warping.

 

[KLOL506]

Just adding some powers and abilities that are missing to some characters but not all

Kratos

Demigod:

Gravity manipulation: via the amulet of ouroboros can make its target float in mid air when it activates.

Once again, this is just limited Telekinesis.

lava manipulation: via ifrit can summons a stand that shoots lava plume.

Now that I look at it, based on ATalentedMaid's conclusions, it really is just Explosion Manip.

Ghost of sparta

It's SPARTA. Not Sparda. Sparda is Dante and Vergil's dad, the term itself originates from the Italian term Spada Lunga, which means Longsword. Sparta is the former Greek city-state located in Laconia in Southern Greece. Big difference.

Conceptual absorption: via absorption his absorption based powers can affect on conceptual level,he absorbed Thanatos' death existence, that he becomes the death itself.

Agreed. It would be Type 1 Conceptual Absorption.

As PoH:


Resistance to matter/quantum manipulation: see his resurrection

Again it's just Immortality Type 8 being bonkers.

Range:

Possibly low multiversal: via hades power, the underworld is stated to be alternate dimension and the time and daytime flows different shown in gow1 novel.(this is not a hyperbole and it's supported by these multiple statements and cutscenes( the underworld's daytime is completely different than the normal universe.) the underworld is a separate realm than standard universe.).

Leave that for the upcoming CRT. Also this isn't the only supporting criteria. Kratos changed the past of the Underworld by teleporting all the Titans from the Past in the Titan War in the Pits of Tartarus, into the Present, yet the following shenanigans still happen.

The past of the Mortal World remains blatantly unchanged. Without the Great Titan War, the Mortal World would look nothing like it does now, Atlas's own words in GOW2 confirm that the Great War between the Titans and the Olympians forged the landscape of the mortal world. This results in the following ****-ups:

• Without the Titans in the Great War, there's nothing to forge said landscape. Yet the Mortal World is perfectly unchanged. We know that Kratos inadvertently saved Sparta and the Last Spartan from destruction right up until he himself killed off everyone by killing Poseidon and drowning everyone with his death-flood, so we know that the Mortal World's past is easily rectifiable.
• Thera would never be imprisoned under Atlantis and Kratos would never meet her. Yet Poseidon in GOW3 is royally pissed off and swears that his beloved fallen city will be avenged.
• The GOW2 Novel also confirms that Atlas joined in on the fun, but the Mortal World still hasn't fallen. The Titans and Olympians would already gain new cases of being Acausal in a tiny bit below. This would prevent the events of Chains of Olympus from ever happening, but Persephone is still very much dead and Helios vividly remembers how Kratos saved him.
• The plaque in GOW3 to Tartarus still notes of the Olympians’ overwhelming victory against the Titans as if Kratos never intervened to begin with.

This thoroughly implies that not only will changing the past of the Underworld do nothing to change the Mortal World's future, it will also do absolutely nothing to change the Underworld's future either. Underworld is just built different.

Ares:

Possibly Non-physical interaction: compared to other gods who can harm abstracts like helios and souls.

AFAIK mainly the top 3 Olympians (Poseidon has his Deconstruction abilities which can destroy souls, Hades is straight up the God of the Underworld, and Zeus can also do weird necromancy with whomever he likes) have the ability to interact with souls, Helios only banishes Nyx from the Night Sky, but he isn't shown to directly affect souls. But Zeus and Athena have the best feats of them all: Zeus literally sealed the Great Evils which are superior to the Primordials massively and sealed them into Pandora's Box. Athena summoned Hope and sealed it along with the evils as a fail-safe method if the Evils ever got out.

The Three Olympian Brothers and Athena should just get straight up Non-Physical Interaction.

Technology manipulation: can command his spider legs, which appears to be a mechanical object.

Again, no. This is Multiple Limbs and Natural Weaponry on top of Body Control.

Duplication: can summon doppelgangers that exist as an illusion, which can harm and kill kratos (in alt ending).


Regeneration low-mid: can regenerate after he has stabbed by his spider legs

Looks fine.

Dimensional travel: can travel trough different dimension.

Precognition: Compared to kratos as god of war who can see all war in different timelines.

Yeah, this is fine.

Possibly Non-corporeal: exist as a formless being in the different dimension.)

No, nothing implies as such.

Range:

Interdimensional: via dimensional travel/BFR

Looks fine at a glance.

Deimos:

Possibly Self-Sustenance: it appears he survives without starvation as a prisoner in domain of death.

Type 2 Self-Sustenance, Gaia herself in the Ghost of Sparta bonus video states that Rage is what's fueling him at this point which is why he got so monstrously strong as he grew up chained to the ceiling.

Technique mimicry: capable of copying all kratos Arm of spardas' moveset.

Once again, Sparta.

This is straight up Power Mimicry BTW. Or prolly Power Stealing. Cheating bastard uses the Army of Hades against you. Even the game straight up states in the upgrade menu in the final leg of the fight that Ares has stolen your magic if you try anything else other than the Blade of the Gods.

Summoning: can materialize a spear that he loses.

This seems more appropriate.

Thanatos:

Regeneration low-mid: compare to his child ernys who can regenerate his lost wings during his fight on kratos.

Thanatos hasn't shown that, but a much better feat would be how he laughs off being speared through and how he casually yanks out his own blade being driven through his abdomen.

Non-physical interaction: can harm the other primordials which is abstract concepts.

Yeah this is fine, he also ***** around and finds out with souls. It's in his name.

Has everything in scourge of erinys: the power originates from him.

Perfect.

Resistance to

Time manipulation: The Primordial Gods predate the conceptual existence of time

Yeah seems fine.

 

[Theglassman12]

Gravity I'm unsure of given the amulet controls time, so I don't know if this is really legit or not.

yeah idk how you got lava from that when efreet has no statements for this, if you have any scans efreet has lava control then sure, but as of now no.

the quantum and matter stuff needs to be removed since that's from an old as **** CRT with no evidence to suggest otherwise so.

how's that technology manipulation? He grows spider legs that's just body control.

Where exactly is the attack reflection? Cause I don't see it.

everything else seems ok.

 

[KLOL506]

the quantum and matter stuff needs to be removed since that's from an old as **** CRT with no evidence to suggest otherwise so.

Huh. Didn't know that.

how's that technology manipulation? He grows spider legs that's just body control.

And Natural Weaponry and Multiple Limbs since he can control them all individually.

Where exactly is the attack reflection? Cause I don't see it.

I guess it comes from reflecting supernatural attacks but uh, couldn't that apply to Kratos deflecting Thanatos's attacks as well? Or would that just be a side effect of strength unless it involves the Golden Fleece?

 

[Theglassman12]

Pretty sure we need the attack itself to be literally "reflected back" for us to give attack reflection here so yeah...

 

[CorneredHarbor]

Ares should also get Elasticity, he can extended his spider legs:


And possibly Gravity manipulation, as seen here where Ares is pulling Kratos into his dimension, altough it's hard to tell, it could possibly be air manipulation as there is this effect coming from the portal and it sounds like wind blowing:

 

[KLOL506]

Ares should also get Elasticity, he can extended his spider legs:

This is fine.

And possibly Gravity manipulation, as seen here where Ares is pulling Kratos into his dimension, altough it's hard to tell, it could possibly be air manipulation as there is this effect coming from the portal and it sounds like wind blowing:

Nah, just BFR, it also falls under pseudo-Black Hole creation which he already has.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

Nah, just BFR, it also falls under pseudo-Black Hole creation which he already has.

I see. My mistake.

 

[jotarostudio9812]

The Op updated, If possible i will add illusion creation for ares scince he cast an illusion in gow1 novel.

 

[KLOL506]

The Op updated, If possible i will add illusion creation for ares scince he cast an illusion in gow1 novel.

Nah, it got retconned by GOW2 and the GOW2 novel.

 

[KLOL506]

Just adding some powers and abilities that are missing to some characters but not all

Kratos

Demigod:

Telekinesis: via the amulet of ouroboros can make its target float in mid air when it activates.

Looks good now.

Conceptual absorption: via absorption his absorption based powers can affect on conceptual level,he absorbed Thanatos' death existence, that he becomes the death itself.

Looks good now. Type 1 Concept Manip this would be, albeit limited.

This would nerf Kratos to being Abstract Existence Type 2 as well. Him being Type 1 AE was always weird. Might as well do it now.

Range:

Possibly low multiversal: via hades power, the underworld is stated to be alternate dimension and the time and daytime flows different shown in gow1 novel.(this is not a hyperbole and it's supported by these multiple statements and cutscenes( the underworld's daytime is completely different than the normal universe.) the underworld is a separate realm than standard universe.).

Like I said, it's best to not apply this until the inevitable Tier 2 CRT arrives.

Ares:


Multiple Limbs and Body Control and Natural Weaponry: can command his spider legs

Perfect.

Duplication: can summon doppelgangers that exist as an illusion, which can harm and kill kratos (in alt ending).

Looks fine.

Regeneration low-mid: can regenerate after he has stabbed by his spider legs

Dimensional travel: can travel trough different dimension.

Looks fine.

Precognition: Compared to kratos as god of war who can see all war in different timelines.

Looks fine.

Range:

Interdimensional: via dimensional travel/BFR

Was gonna bring up his High Universal level scream but uh, nah, I'll leave it for the Tier 2 CRT.

Deimos:

Self-Sustenance type 2: it appears he survives without starvation as a prisoner in domain of death.

Looks fine.

Technique mimicry: capable of copying all kratos Arm of sparta's moveset.

Doubt he copied it, he already got training as a kid.

Attack reflection: via the arm of sparda.

Seems like this is getting nulled to just being a side effect of strength.

Summoning: can materialize a spear that he loses.

He can also summon a shitton of spears from throwing a single one as an airstrike.

Thanatos:

Non-physical interaction: can harm the other primordials which is abstract concepts.


Has everything in scourge of erinys: the power originates from him.

Resistance to

Time manipulation: The Primordial Gods predate the conceptual existence of time

Yeah. We good.

 

[jotarostudio9812]

Updated, If it's good you may close this.

 

[KLOL506]

Nah, we gotta apply the accepted stuff first, then it can be considered to be closed.

Which means this gets applied to a shit-ton of profiles.

Low-Mid Regen stuff is limited to Zeus, Ares, Hades, Kratos, Thanatos and Gaia (Her High-Low straight up gets upgraded to Low-Mid because healing limbs is Low-Mid, and she grew back her hand). Atropos and Lakhesis get Mid regen because they straight up survive being stabbed straight through the head by Kratos's big Blades of Chaos and instantaneously heal from it with no issue and pretend like nothing ever happened, only way Kratos could kill them was by smashing the mirror that locked them in the past.

Immortality Types 1 goes to all the gods. Immortality Types 2 and 3 are limited to Zeus,, Kratos, Thanatos, Atropos and Lakhesis. Hades gets only Immortality Type 2 because he laughs off his brain getting turned to mush. Everyone loses Immortality Type 4 (Except for Fear Zeus and Hope Kratos).

Self-Sustenance Type 2 for Deimos and Spear Summoning. Self-Sustenance types as a whole to add to the other gods is left for the upcoming Tier 2 CRT.

Thanatos gets all the abilities of the Scourge of Erinys, Resistance to Time Manip and Physics Manip, as well as Resistance to Soul Manipulation and Deconstruction (He doesn't die to Eye of Poseidon that easily), AE Type 1 and Concept Manip Type 1 because duh, he's Death Itself. He also gets NPI because he can **** around and find out with souls. He also gets

Demigod Kratos gets Telekinesis with Amulet of Uroboros. God of War Kratos gets Limited Concept Manip Type 1 because he took in the concept of Death for himself, which unfortunately also negs his AE Type 1 to AE Type 2.

Ares gets Duplication, Power Mimicry, Interdimensional range BFR, Precognition based on Kratos's viewings, Dimensional Travel, Multiple Limbs + Natural Weaponry + Body Control + Elasticity because of his spider-arms that can also stretch to any desired length.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

Kratos should also get Air Manipulation resistance via him not being effected by the winds of Boreas The God of The North Winds while using Arms of Sparta, specifically the Laconian guard move which is basically Kratos holding a shield in front of himself to block upcoming attacks and hazards:


The wind pushes Kratos back on his own, but the Arms of Sparta shield completely negates any effect the wind has on Kratos. I know that in the video it might look like Kratos is struggling due to the way he is positioned and the speed he is moving at but that is how the default Laconian Guard animation looks like even when nothing is happening.

The wind can also freeze Kratos as shown in the video. Now i know that Kratos already has resistance to ice manipulation on his own, but it is increased with Arms of Sparta since he is completely immune to ice manipulation, on the other hand Kratos by himself gets frozen but then needs to unfreeze himself.

He also has attack reflection with the Arms of Sparta as seen just before he gets the Horn of Boreas. I know he already has this as well but it's still good to mention it in the profile.

 

[KLOL506]

Kratos should also get Air Manipulation resistance via him not being effected by the winds of Boreas The God of The North Winds while using Arms of Sparta, specifically the Laconian guard move which is basically Kratos holding a shield in front of himself to block upcoming attacks and hazards:


The wind pushes Kratos back on his own, but the Arms of Sparta shield completely negates any effect the wind has on Kratos. I know that in the video it might look like Kratos is struggling due to the way he is positioned and the speed he is moving at but that is how the default Laconian Guard animation looks like even when nothing is happening.

The wind can also freeze Kratos as shown in the video. Now i know that Kratos already has resistance to ice manipulation on his own, but it is increased with Arms of Sparta since he is completely immune to ice manipulation, on the other hand Kratos by himself gets frozen but then needs to unfreeze himself.

He also has attack reflection with the Arms of Sparta as seen just before he gets the Horn of Boreas. I know he already has this as well but it's still good to mention it in the profile.

I think that is just basically LS and a combination of Enhanced Resistance to Ice Manip, unless of course you can show that Kratos can just stay in that one same spot while holding up the shield without moving forward, but even then I'd still be hard-pressed to call it Air Manip Resistance, not even sure if such a thing is even possible since sufficiently strong-enough LS should be able to curb its effects.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

I think that is just basically LS and a combination of Enhanced Resistance to Ice Manip, unless of course you can show that Kratos can just stay in that one same spot while holding up the shield without moving forward, but even then I'd still be hard-pressed to call it Air Manip Resistance, not even sure if such a thing is even possible since sufficiently strong-enough LS should be able to curb its effects.

It can't be about LS. And resistance to Air Manipulation is definitely possible when said wind is stronger than you but you have a specific abillity or item that negates that effect. Which is the case here with Kratos, since he can't go through the wind without the shield. Unless of course the shield somehow gives Kratos higher LS, which is highly unlikely.

 

[KLOL506]

It can't be about LS. And resistance to Air Manipulation is definitely possible when said wind is stronger than you but you have a specific abillity or item that negates that effect. Which is the case here with Kratos, since he can't go through the wind without the shield. Unless of course the shield somehow gives Kratos higher LS, which is highly unlikely.

The shield and spears on their own are useless against the wind, it's mostly Kratos empowering them with his own magic.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Maybe Ares' Spiders arms are apart of his Armor? He's never shown with them in any flashbacks.

 

[KLOL506]

Maybe Ares' Spiders arms are apart of his Armor? He's never shown with them in any flashbacks.

No. When he brings them out, blood splurts out from his back. He's very clearly groaning in pain, and his armor has holes in them, broken from his arms punching through it. Even when Kratos kills him his Spider-arms are drenched in blood at where they came out from.

The flashbacks not showing them means nothing, the actual fights are very different. Flashbacks also don't show Kratos being BFR'd, they just show him expanding in size, getting the Blade of Olympus out of nowhere and then blocking an attack from Ares before quickly one-shotting him.

 

[KLOL506]

Pretty sure we need the attack itself to be literally "reflected back" for us to give attack reflection here so yeah...

I do have a question tho. Thanatos's attacks are pretty much identical to the Scourge of Erinys (Since those powers literally come from him). How the hell is Kratos gonna be able to reflect that with pure strength alone?

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Because he's Kratos ig lol

 

[jotarostudio9812]

Nah, we gotta apply the accepted stuff first, then it can be considered to be closed.

Which means this gets applied to a shit-ton of profiles.

Low-Mid Regen stuff is limited to Zeus, Ares, Hades, Kratos, Thanatos and Gaia (Her High-Low straight up gets upgraded to Low-Mid because healing limbs is Low-Mid, and she grew back her hand). Atropos and Lakhesis get Mid regen because they straight up survive being stabbed straight through the head by Kratos's big Blades of Chaos and instantaneously heal from it with no issue and pretend like nothing ever happened, only way Kratos could kill them was by smashing the mirror that locked them in the past.

Immortality Types 1 goes to all the gods. Immortality Types 2 and 3 are limited to Zeus, Hades, Kratos, Thanatos, Atropos and Lakhesis. Everyone loses Immortality Type 4.

I've add the sisters of fates, because their profile is outdated and needs to be fixed.

 

[KLOL506]

Looks good now, and holy shit how did I not see the Sisters of Fate stuff before.

I'll add them in right now.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Persephone's page is also very outdated

 

[KLOL506]

Persephone's page is also very outdated

Yeah. I'll need that and Kratos unlocked.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

Some Thanatos additions:

Vibration manipulation, can create shockwaves in his transformed form:


Large size (type 1) when transformed

Weapon creation, Thanatos' sword does appear and dissapear out of nowhere. The first time he appears behind Deimos he doesen't have the sword, right after that he takes Deimos and flies down a chasm, right after that when Kratos reaches them we can see Thanatos using his sword. Also after you destroy his transformed state and he reverts back to base he doesen't have his sword.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

Persephone's page is also very outdated

Titan profiles are also really outdated. Somehow all the titans except Gaia don't even have Large Size and are missing some abillities.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Hopefully after Ragnarok (and we paradoxically survive it) the Norse GoW profiles will become as detailed as the Greek GoW ones.

 

[KLOL506]

Some Thanatos additions:

Vibration manipulation, can create shockwaves in his transformed form:

We don't allow shockwaves formed through sheer brute force to be designated at Vibration Manip as of a recent CRT, it's now just a side-effect of strength.

Large size (type 1) when transformed

Seems fine.

Weapon creation, Thanatos' sword does appear and dissapear out of nowhere. The first time he appears behind Deimos he doesen't have the sword, right after that he takes Deimos and flies down a chasm, right after that when Kratos reaches them we can see Thanatos using his sword. Also after you destroy his transformed state and he reverts back to base he doesen't have his sword.

Could be he's just spamming Hammerspace.

 

[CorneredHarbor]

We don't allow shockwaves formed through sheer brute force to be designated at Vibration Manip as of a recent CRT, it's now just a side-effect of strength.

Yeah i know. But my main reasoning is that Thanatos shows multiple attacks in his transformed state that hit the ground but only one specific attack makes shockwaves, of course the one shown in the video. I don't know if that would count.

Could be he's just spamming Hammerspace.

So a possible Dimensional storage?

 

[KLOL506]

Speaking of which, kind of odd Kratos doesn't have Deconstruction in his Demigod key with Poseidon's Rage, since that's kind of what Poseidon can do with his magic.

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah i know. But my main reasoning is that Thanatos shows multiple attacks in his transformed state that hit the ground but only one specific attack makes shockwaves, of course the one shown in the video. I don't know if that would count.

Thanatos would have to be able to specifically manipulate shockwaves in a manner akin to the Nemean Cestus for that to count.

So a possible Dimensional storage?

Aye. Works.