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Yeah, the other quotes are good, but this one in particular expresses the point of all this pretty explicitly. For reference, this is what Tolkien says in the paragraph immediately before it:
So, yeah, the Legendarium really is inseparable from his personal metaphysics and not supposed to...
No, not really. "Layered" is a condition that can be met just fine without involving higher-dimensional space, obviously. Don't know about the other thing, will look later.
Yeah, I believe so.
You can put me as agreeing with Tier 0 Eru now, for the matter. As I see it, this thread now is really just a discussion on whether Tolkien's broader metaphysics are applicable as evidence for High 1-A+ Ainur and as supporting evidence for Eru's Tier 0. The latter is already...
Okay, this is interesting as hell, actually. Here's Tolkien's full quote:
And, for reference, the "mystery of names" that Tolkien mentions refers back to this passage from Fellowship of the Ring:
So, putting all this together: Tolkien says that the third-person predicate "He is" is something...
No, it is probably of interest. If Tom Bombabil is considered an "outsider" to the Legendarium and yet he is part of the overall verse, then this seems to give some insight on how exactly the verse's scope works. Can you elaborate a bit further on that?
Hmh.
Yeah, I'll say I'm rather on the fence about this revision, as it stands. Obviously, the issue isn't whether the statements suffice for the proposed tiers; they do, and "This is drawing from IRL religion" isn't an objection worth entertaining.
Fact of the matter here is that Tolkien had...
I mean, technically all Tier 0s are equally all-encompassing, so they circumscribe "all the same information," so to say. It really comes down to whether it functions analogously to an intellect. If it does, and yet doesn't know something (That doesn't fall under the stipulations written in the...
Yeah, put me on disagree with regards to Low 1-A. Seems all there is is this blink-and-you'll-miss-it piece of text in the background mentioning a "Transcends Dimensions skill," which by extension obviously lacks all the elaboration needed to actually fit the bill even with the new standards...
Yeah, I've gathered as much. The issue is that, to my understanding, the Brain Layer is comparable in size to the human world, and yet it's also the part of Ideon that the "It's more real than the human world" statement is referring to. This makes me think that it being "more real" isn't really...
I'm curious on how the distinction between enlightenment and the Dharmakaya is supposed to work. You said that distinctions and form are already transcended and revealed illusory at the former level, and yet it apparently has degrees (Bodhisattvas being more enlightened than Monks, for example)...
Are the Light and the Darkness all that the God from Swamp Thing #75 is confirmed to transcend? Looking through the OP, that looks to be the case, but I'll ask for confirmation first.
Yeah, the logic remains the same. Either the Demon World is one huge 4-D space and so doesn't get past Low 2-C, or it's 5-D, and the logic used for 2-A to work makes it Low 1-C instead (Alongside a lot of other stuff, I suspect). Really a quirk in how Tier 2 is structured.
Granted I haven't...
Not too sold on this working, honestly.
To elaborate: 2-C-through-2-A at the moment, from what I understand, work pretty much as pseudo-5-D tiers. This is to say that being 2-C and up isn't just about affecting the alternate universes themselves, but also about affecting a tiny little 5-D space...
By the by, for consistency's sake, and to avoid organizational headaches, I've done away with the queues for Tier 0 and High 1-A threads as well. No more queue period now, I suppose.
From what I gather, profiles are yet to be done, yes? If the other stuff for the verse is going to happen in other threads, then this one might as well close, yeah.
To be discussed elsewhere.
Anyway:
@Planck69 @DarkDragonMedeus @Sir_Ovens @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Elizhaa
Can you provide input here? Thread's been languishing for a bit.
Yeah, I'm fairly skeptical of that reasoning. Nonduality in general is inherently a contradictory power (By design), so I don't think there is much that can actually get it off of logic alone and without explicit statements of including logical dichotomies (Since the power breaks logic to begin...
Oh, I thought that for scaling purposes the two were just interchangeable, since you mentioned the Fourth Wall has "the same nature as the other walls." My bad.
Regardless: Yeah, I don't see anything above 1-A here, regardless. The whole division between reality and fiction mediated by the...
Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant by "Unless that superiority is the kind that could be ascribed to Type 1 BDE." Looks fine to add that up to the page, then. Given you already suggested that little addition clarifying that Low 1-A is valid if the non-dimensional nature is the cause of the...
That doesn't really translate into this context, because "Beyond all dimensions" (Granting that it means "superiority" in the relevant sense, mind you) is descriptive of a realm that exceeds dimensional spaces without, itself, being a dimensional space, which is indeed what tiers Low 1-A and up...
With those examples, I was pretty much thinking of a hypothetical case where, say, a realm is described as "Beyond dimensions" but then received further descriptions that make it clear that it is, itself, just another dimensional space and not something of a whole other nature. In that case...
The Tiering System doesn't really make this distinction anymore. The revisions basically abolished the whole notion of something being able to be beyond-dimensional "only over" the dimensions actually existent in its cosmology but not beyond-dimensional in the proper sense (i.e. Beyond...
I don't think the current description has many failures outside of being vague on what constitutes "superiority," which should be clarified indeed. Let me have a try at it: