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Journey To The West tier upgrade

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Transcendent monks and Bodhisattvas​

Enlightenment in JTTW reveals the illusory nature of reality, showing that distinctions and forms are inherently empty, which shoud qualify for 1-A: all of reality is nothing but an illusion to an entity. Of course this state is achieved by transcendent monks and to a greater extent, by bodhisattvas.

The Dharmakaya​

The Dharmakaya, the formless essence of all things, is like an infinite ocean of ultimate suchness. In its boundless depths, form dissolves into the immaterial, embracing all phenomena without separation and It is the eternal foundation upon which illusion rises and fades JTTW. Note 118-135, Vol 3, chp 59, p. 388. It embodies the interplay of existence and non-existence, the existent within the nonexistent and vice versa. So to speak, It transcends the duality of form and formlessness where form itself is revealed as a manifestation of emptiness, and emptiness becomes a reflection of form. This non-fixed nature of both form and emptiness emphasizes that true understanding lies beyond any grasp, where the knowledge of emptiness does not confine itself to mere emptiness, and the understanding of form transcends form itself. In this way, the Dharmakaya represents the ultimate reality, where all distinctions dissolve into a profound unity Vol 3, chp 58, p. 113.
The Dharmakaya is one of three bodies of the Buddhas, but it would be better to say that it represents the true, essential and only real form of the Buddha, Uniting and encompassing all Buddhas of the past, present, and future, this eternal body is, in actuality, the only real body of the Buddha, only manifesting in different forms to meet the spiritual needs of beings. When serving bodhisattvas, it appears as the Sambhogakaya, the body of communal enjoyment. For humanity, it takes the form of the Nirmanakaya, a body of transformation, a fictitious phantom created to guide and enlighten the ignorant and suffering Note 105-118, vol 3, chp 59, pg. 387. Furthermore, It is the body that holds no form yet encompasses all forms, a radiant unity beyond perception of mind or things. In the Dharmakaya, there is no coming or going, no being or non-being, only the pure reality that transcends contrast and craving. It is the light of ultimate truth existing both within and beyond where true form is formlessness itself Vol 1, chp 14, pg. 306.

Transcendent monks and Bodhisattva tier​

Unfortunately there’s no clear cut evidence of a layer above baseline superiority for bodhisattvas due to vagueness imo. So transcendent monks would be baseline 1a and bodhisattvas, higher degree into baseline 1a. if accepted, the potency of their abilities here would be upgraded and tiering for the HDE section here would also be changed accordingly

Dharmakaya tier​

It would be tier 0 due to being described as
not only transcending form and formlessness but also the distinctions between being and non-being, existence and non-existence. It represents the ultimate reality and is the foundation for all phenomena without being confined to any of them. Which should meet the requirements for tier 0: being beyond all forms of hierarchical extension and distinctions.

Buddha tier​

The sambhogakaya and nirmanakaya are described as avatars or manifestations of the Dharmakaya. They function as the more localized and perceptible forms of the ultimate body while the Dharmakaya remains limitless and ineffable. These lower forms reflect the dharmakaya in a more tangible and perceivable way and embody the frameworks of logically possible worlds as described for high 1a+ as its manifestations.

This is the profile that would gain these changes in their last two keys


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You should show where in JTTW your quotes originate from, so that people kind find them in the source material, and give some context to them.
 
I'm curious on how the distinction between enlightenment and the Dharmakaya is supposed to work. You said that distinctions and form are already transcended and revealed illusory at the former level, and yet it apparently has degrees (Bodhisattvas being more enlightened than Monks, for example), and the Dharmakaya apparently transcends that state even though it's also supposed to be reality perceived as devoid of all form and differentiation. So, what's the deal here.
 
I'm curious on how the distinction between enlightenment and the Dharmakaya is supposed to work. You said that distinctions and form are already transcended and revealed illusory at the former level, and yet it apparently has degrees (Bodhisattvas being more enlightened than Monks, for example), and the Dharmakaya apparently transcends that state even though it's also supposed to be reality perceived as devoid of all form and differentiation. So, what's the deal here.

Only buddhas fully achieve enlightenment. what the transcendent monks see as illusory is at most the three realms and bodhisattvas still have to go through ten stops to become fully enlightened. Dharmakaya is basically the most fundamental nature of reality that everything is apart of, but only the buddhas return to( in a way that is both a realization and returning to one's true nature)
 
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But how will Wukong be tier 0 if he is 900+ years old
a tier 0's age has to be inapplicable
 
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Ca you give full context ? what page is it ? What link ?
Becasue i see many scan of wukong are fake ? wukkong never go to the end of heven nor his clone are actually his childen?
 
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