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  1. John_Werner

    Goku upgrade (SPOILERS)

    Episode 123. Base Goku taked an attack from Jiren and Goku claimed: "I've never been hit by such strong attack before". That means that from Goku's perspective, Jiren's last attack was stronger than others attacks from Jiren from the same episode. SSB Goku (post second UI sign) taked many...
  2. John_Werner

    Undertale God Tier ability additions.

    Flowey breaks the fourth wall. Asriel should have it for obvious reasons.
  3. John_Werner

    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    I can see the inconclusive result coming :v
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    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    2. No, he never underestimate anyone besides the protagonist. And he was playing with him because previous events of the game. This is what he says: "Chara, do you know why i'm doing this?" "Why i keep fighting to keep you around?" "Because you are special chara" "You are the only one that...
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    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    1. It's danmaku. Stars, storms, lasers and that kind of stuff. And he can create swords in order to attack the soul. He absorbed every soul on the underground before the battle begun. 2. Hyper Goner: The strongest attack Asriel uses while still only toying with Frisk. He transforms into an...
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    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    The whole "Asriel will not use his Save and load and other stuff except danmaku spam" is false. He is cocky because his fealings towards "Chara". Flowey/Asriel plays with the protagonist for a specific reason. He didn't have control over all time itself during the battle but that's because of...
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    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    Goku can nuke the multiverse, but the possibility of doing so is so low compared to Asriel's getting a win or stalemate. Unless you say Goku can nuke the whole multiverse from the start, Asriel can defeat him via soul attacks, if that doesn't work, hypergonner (goku can't move without space and...
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    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    ˄This
  9. John_Werner

    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    Nuking the timeline isn't enought to kill Asriel. That was Asriel did and his file still existed
  10. John_Werner

    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    1. Goku 2. No. I explained on my comments. Save and Load=/=Normal Reset. Even normal reset isn't time rewind from the same timeline, it erases every progress and memories except flowey and Chara's name. 3. It wasn't show so you can't make that argument. Asriel, however, stated that he doesn't...
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    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    The thoughts of goku about nuking the multiverse will be useless because of Save and Load, this isn't basic time rewind. Even a normal reset is different from that. No one elaborate on how his sealing works, and how xeno goku use his info analysis in character (despite it comes from Future...
  12. John_Werner

    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    How can an previous goku remember what he did do on a alternative timeline? The previous goku didn't perfom the actions of the future goku from another timeline. This is what Photoshop Flowey did. I am talking about Save and Load, and not reset. (This isn't even time rewind, it doesn't rewind...
  13. John_Werner

    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    Even if goku realizes that he can't kill asriel, asriel would just keep switching timelines like photoshop flowey (if soul manipulation is useless and weak against goku) as i explained above so goku's previous knowledge (which would lead him nuking the multiverse somehow) will be useless.
  14. John_Werner

    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    It's obvious that Asriel doesn't have true godly, yes. I never argued that anyways. Goku's info analysis comes from Future Warrior who can analysis techniques via the scouter. The problem is, it doesn't analyse every ability and hax, just basic techniques. At least goku would know about...
  15. John_Werner

    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    I mean this "When did Asriel destroy every file in the game? Again, Asriel's dialogue says "I'll purge this timeline once and for all". Hyper Goner destroyed the timeline the fight was taking place in, not every single one out there." I never implied Asriel destroyed every file. But ok. Goku...
  16. John_Werner

    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    Such strawman. I never said Asriel destroyed every file or every timeline. I said that even if the timeline gets destroyed, Asriel's file still exist. Not only Asriel's file but the other file showed on the photoshop flowey fight. Also how can he figured out where are those timelines (files)...
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    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    If you do a pacifist route without saving this is what happens: After timeline being purged, Asriel's file still exists If Goku destroys the timeline, Asriel's files still exists. Not only Asriel's file, but the others files showed on the Photoshop Flowey fight. Can Goku figure out where those...
  18. John_Werner

    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    Yes this should have been downgraded. If Photoshop Flowey destroyed the multiverse then why he says: "I'll show them all the Real meaning of this world"? If there are no humans left, then he can't show someone the kill or be killed philosophy
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    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    Even if goku destroys Asriel alongside all the souls (because goku has non physical interaction) and turns Asriel into base flowey or base Asriel, goku still loses. Flowey can still load to the point where the fight begins therefore he has the souls and full HP again. Save/Load hax shows being...
  20. John_Werner

    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    This
  21. John_Werner

    Xeno Goku takes on another God. This time a G O A T (8-12-0)

    Asriel's matter manipulation is just him creating swords. Existence erasure comes from his timeline busting. However he doesn't open up in character for this, because that's his last attack before going to his second form (which happens on the mid fight) There was a revision about Photoshop...
  22. John_Werner

    Yukari vs Rimuru

    Rimuru has resistance to Yukari's BM so he should tank it. Then he outhaxes and Yukari's attacks will be absorbed. Rimuru FRA
  23. John_Werner

    xeno goku tier and speed upgrade

    @Melis125 I just say they need an explanation why the scans that supports Type 3 Void for Demon Real "aren't enough" and the "got tagged by low tiers" part
  24. John_Werner

    xeno goku tier and speed upgrade

    At the end of the previous thread, the final arguments against the demon real being type 3 void and infinite speed for DBH tiers were "it's not enough for type 3" and "DBH god tiers got tagged by low tiers". Those counter arguments needs more elaboration tho, or else they are just statements...
  25. John_Werner

    Who wants to be a winner? Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo vs Bill Cipher

    @Titan I know what's immeasurable. It's moving beyond linear time so you can time travel to different points in the timeline or timelines,etc by sheer speed. However you need to exist on a higher dimensional space in order to move on there. hence this is why i ask: is Bobo 4D?. Bobo moves in...
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    Who wants to be a winner? Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo vs Bill Cipher

    @Sound i know 4D powers are not enough, but if you can move on a higher dimensional space then that means you are existing on there hence that's why you can move on this 4D-5D,etc space! Anyways i said a possibly CRT could be good one day, did you know how many people claim a character is 4D...
  27. John_Werner

    Who wants to be a winner? Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo vs Bill Cipher

    So..Moving on a higher dimensional space is not enough to be 4D? :/ Anyways someone should close this thread xd
  28. John_Werner

    Who wants to be a winner? Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo vs Bill Cipher

    There should be a thread or a rule about how to prove a character is 4D and explain on there why immeasurable speed and 4D powers are not enough tbh.
  29. John_Werner

    Who wants to be a winner? Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo vs Bill Cipher

    How am i spamming tho Anyways should Bobobo be a fourth dimensional being? At least he has the speed advantage. Immeasurable (Should be faster than Bobopatchnosuke, who could move in Majide Time, a higher spatial dimension where time and space mean nothing and the new flow of time take forever...
  30. John_Werner

    Tier High 1-A vs. Tier 0 Poll

    I changed my vote to High 1-A. My reasoning is simple. MANY people (even non-english speakers) outside of this wiki think Tier 0=Omnipotence. This changes will make people understand Vsbattles don't use the concept of omnipotence on its tiering system and characters can't get omnipotence across...
  31. John_Werner

    Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo vs Kaguya Houraisan

    But this wasn't a stomp. There are other matchups with a decisive win. It's not that bad. However i agree the Bill one is bad, a better match up would have been 2C Bill vs 2C Bobo but Bill's 2C key got deleted. High 3-A Bill will get stomped by 2C Bobo.
  32. John_Werner

    Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo vs Kaguya Houraisan

    Actually kaguya has 9 votes. This outcome can be added.
  33. John_Werner

    Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo vs Kaguya Houraisan

    what have i done...
  34. John_Werner

    Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo vs Kaguya Houraisan

    I know i only counted the ones who say Kaguya wins. But if this is a stomp then this thread should be closed. Also This :v
  35. John_Werner

    Who wants to be a winner? Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo vs Bill Cipher

    Obvious reasons LOL Landmine Bo-bobo (2-C) vs Full Power Bill (2-A) What character will upgrade his Win ratio? Bobobo gets serious after seeing his loses against Touhou girls. No 4D hax except Time Manipulation
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    Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo vs Kaguya Houraisan

    oof. Should i make Bobobo vs Bill Cipher?
  37. John_Werner

    Seriously questioning the writer tier

    Conclusion: Tier 0/high 1A for The Presence and 1A for The Writer
  38. John_Werner

    Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo vs Kaguya Houraisan

    I hope this is fair...High 4C and speed equalized for Both. They start at 100 meters. Kaguya: (9) Andykhang, The Causality, Saikou The Lewd King, ShadowWarrior1999, ZacharyGrossman273 ,Uninow, PaxCruento, Sound of Infinity, DMB 1 Bobobobo:
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  39. John_Werner

    Tier High 1-A vs. Tier 0 Poll

    I vote for Tier 0 for Ploz's reasons. Also we shouldn't use Omnipotence as a power. It's a extremely NLF and innaplicable across fiction due to the Omnipotence Paradox. No matter even if the author and the characters or guidebooks claims X character is omnipotent, you can't get omnipotence as a...
  40. John_Werner

    Bill Cipher correction/revision/downgrade

    I know what's immeasurable. The thing is Bill shouldn't be immeasurable. Those "immeasurable" statements comes from his lowest keys, which should logically gives immeasurable speed for bill on his dreamscape and restricted version (of course i am assuming here those statements give bill...
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