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  1. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    Look I'mma just concede here, I don't think I'll be changing any minds. Although it was nice debating again, Chariot and Armor, clearly we disagree on things but at the end of the day we've all been fans for years so it's good to see ya still here
  2. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    Honestly this thread would have probably ended in your guys' favor a lot earlier had it just been the anti-feat with toddler Samus and not tried bringing out German translations, gameplay mechanics, and the fan-theory at the end. Nevermind, trying to use Smash Bros as a part of the argument or a...
  3. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    The issue, is instead of saying that (Also its not an official rule, I was just suggesting it would be a sensible rule), you guys literally provide a fan theory as canon and go off the deep end using german translations and smash bros (not you, but armor earlier) That's not the non-sensical...
  4. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    We... don't have the density of Urthic ore? I think you mean Bendezium which can be found with Urthic ore (In the same website, it even states that Urthic ore makes up 85% of the crust, showing bendezium is extremely small in comparsion). Also the extremely dense statement was made in comparison...
  5. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    If the wiki's standards require a certain level of actual representation of the gravity on the planet, I'll be fine with that. 960g is the gravity of Zebes, but we can't use it by the wiki's standards, that's completely fine and understandable. The issue is the arguments being made here are...
  6. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    What are you talking about, where did you prove the vacuum of space and a literal depressurized room has gravity? Because your argument makes no sense - how are you going to argue that the in-game physics mechanics disproves Tallon's gravity- while said in-game mechanics are not the level of...
  7. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    Right now, it is two sources: the Metroid website and Metroid Prime's in-game description. I would have to question why the counterarguments are being considered 'solid materials' though? Since when have we used the German translation, of all things, over the native translation or game...
  8. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    I mean it's probably because English uses the short scale instead of the long scale. Either way as you pointed out, it's still different, your evidence contradicts each other. The 'translation' isn't even the actual translation of what is said, but instead in numerical form. That's missing the...
  9. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    I understand you're hesitant and I hate to bring up the planet Vegeta example, but... How about Aquaman instead, he (apparently) and all Atlanteans are superhumans due to incredible pressures of the depths of the oceans, but that's never shown. We take the lore, at its word, even though there...
  10. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    So Aether at half it's mass, has the same gravity as Tallon IV, which has the same gravity as a depressurized room in outer space, or G.F.S. Valhalla? I've been linking most of my remarks when needed, I'm not sure if you noticed, so this isn't the 'first actual evidence'. ??? She can jump high...
  11. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    Sorry if I repeat myself a lot, it's just you're both quoting the exact same response. I'll take it as Chariot dropping the 960x gravity in gameplay argument from his other responses. That docking station was in the vacuum of space. Also, she literally walks through a depressurized room with...
  12. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    I brought up the in-game physics engine's gravity to show they don't take into consideration different planets' gravity across all Prime games in their gameplay, your last statement there literally reflects that. That docking station was in the vacuum of space. Also, she literally walks through...
  13. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    Explain how the game would implement 960x gravity into her jump height? I legitimately do not see how this could possibly be implemented without fundamentally shattering the game design. That or I'm completely missing your point, but it looks like you're actually arguing that they would have...
  14. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    In these games, gravity in gameplay is treated as normal no matter the environment. Even in outer space with 0gs, Samus isn't floating in space and walks just fine. Hell, the Prime's game engine technically has her at 2.5x the gravity of Earth, in space and on Tallon IV, contradicting the...
  15. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    Ngl, that's a great edit. But on a serious note, that's like the best example of gameplay mechanics I can think of in this universe. Samus isn't going to jump 960x higher after getting the gravity suit because that would break the game like crazy. Especially in a game where jumps play a...
  16. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    Pre-Shogakukan Nintendo was extremely lenient to the point that almost no franchise uses anything established from that time period (except maybe Mario? But they never had Apes Inc writing their guides and are already wonky with their canon so idk if that counts), even if we ignore the example...
  17. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    Yeah, pretty consistently when you look at the gameplay. That's like me arguing Sonic is weak to spikes because its consistent in his gameplay. I mean, sure. Let's say its headcanon, Joey and Samus still survived the gravity bomb, so either way they can survive the intense gravity. K-2L never...
  18. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    Fair point, that said, I don't think that's ever been used as a point before. For example, in anime translations we never use the English translation over the Japanese one if there is a difference. I mean, if we're arguing its too absurd or toon forcey, I think maybe Metroid isn't the best...
  19. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    I wasn't arguing it wasn't officially by Nintendo, just the the guide has probably been retconned or at the very least is shown to be out of date. What is the other source for 4.974x10^24 kilograms? Why would we consider the German translation? I'm very confused on why this is an argument, in...
  20. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    I think it's more speculative the other way around? We're assuming that every lore revision ignored the gravity portion and that the same guide that called Samus an outlaw and the weird dream interpretation section still holds up today. Also, Ape Inc. wasn't actually a part of Nintendo at that...
  21. SomebodyData

    Metroid - Debunking Zebes' 960x Gravity

    Evidence against it Zebes and Tallon IV are never portrayed as having high gravity. Your examples here would fall under game mechanics. I'm not sure how anyone in this thread is expecting Samus to fall hundreds of times faster in Super Metroid or Metroid Prime. Humans can live on Zebes. Well...
  22. SomebodyData

    Metroid V: To Infinity and Beyond

    AHHHHHHHH
  23. SomebodyData

    Dark Samus/Metroid Prime (creature) Revision

    Unfortunately the the DS dream manip is more likely just samus' chozo precog acting up than a dream. As for the Interstellar / Cross Dimensional range for Samus, it mostly comes from the hint / objective systems in Prime 3 and 2
  24. SomebodyData

    Metroid V: To Infinity and Beyond

    Seems to me like a limited power null and/or data manipulation like JJ said but idk
  25. SomebodyData

    Dark Samus/Metroid Prime (creature) Revision

    Funnily enough, the Artifact of Truth scan that shows up in the Trilogy and Remastered versions, first shows up in this guidebook. It should be on the old Metroid Database guide site. I can send it to you in a day (On mobile and already have to sleep for work tomorrow), if you don't want to...
  26. SomebodyData

    Metroid: Light of Aether Low 4-C Return

    Hmmm can't say I really have a counterargument for Armorchompy's first point there. Knew the rules were strict, didn't realize how strict they were. That said, for clarification sake: The heart is the LoA. The previous scans also refer to it as the eye of Emperor Ing, after it began...
  27. SomebodyData

    Dark Samus/Metroid Prime (creature) Revision

    Phazon seems to consistently provide regeneration to it's users, like pretty much everyone in Corruption, DS, and even the Omega Pirate earlier in the same game (Although his is Low-Mid). In one of the guides for the game, Metroid Prime is also stated to be able to regenerate without the need...
  28. SomebodyData

    Dark Samus/Metroid Prime (creature) Revision

    Yeah I can agree with intangibility here. I'm not really sold on the regen or Leviathan durability scaling, although the latter doesn't really matter for Samus, it mostly just impacts the Tallon Metroids (Who would still just scale from Samus tbh).
  29. SomebodyData

    Dark Samus/Metroid Prime (creature) Revision

    Could you summarize your points in a response to this. I can add scans if you'd like some help.
  30. SomebodyData

    Metroid V: To Infinity and Beyond

    https://vsbattles.com/threads/metroid-light-of-aether-low-4-c-return.168785/
  31. SomebodyData

    Metroid: Light of Aether Low 4-C Return

    The purpose of this thread is to reinstate a low 4-C feat, primarily for some of the top-tiers in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. It's important to mention the context, but I think Armorchompy's original downgrade thread does an excellent job of that, even if I disagree with his conclusions. I agreed...
  32. SomebodyData

    Dark Samus/Metroid Prime (creature) Revision

    Don't disagree with any of this tbh, just a few minor details below. Other P&A Metroid Prime: REMOVALS Regeneration (Low-High). The artbook isn't saying she can only regenerate with the Phazon suit, just that she used it to become Dark Samus. Plus the Phazon Suit hasn't shown regeneration in...
  33. SomebodyData

    Metroid CRT: Rage Power.

    I say go ahead with the changes.
  34. SomebodyData

    Metroid Prime 2: Light of Aether downgrade

    I don't disagree with the comparison, but by the Mutated Emperor Ing phase, the Light of Aether has noticeably become significantly smaller. It seems to have recovered at the end. Before Emperor Ing First Phase Mutated Emperor Ing After Emperor Ing Though it's a bit more complicated. The tech...
  35. SomebodyData

    Metroid Prime 2: Light of Aether downgrade

    Yeah that's why I was abit taken aback, my bad if it was just directed at him. And yeah, I could see there is speculation in with his points, but there are some elements I agree on (but he needs to bring the scans!).
  36. SomebodyData

    Metroid Prime 2: Light of Aether downgrade

    Will do. My bad if I misread that. Not that I'm aware of; I was calling it game mechanics because the collapse should have started after Samus left, not while she was there. (Emperor Ing also absorbed the energy with the module and the world didn't begin collapsing, so the countdown seems...
  37. SomebodyData

    Metroid Prime 2: Light of Aether downgrade

    I'm not sure if there's history here, but I think @Armorchompy, @JJSliderman, and @Chariot190 maybe take a break for a second before we continue and refresh?
  38. SomebodyData

    Metroid Prime 2: Light of Aether downgrade

    The comment was towards me?
  39. SomebodyData

    Metroid Prime 2: Light of Aether downgrade

    I haven't made anything up, so chill out there. If I have, tell me and I'll correct myself. The Ing have historically upgraded what they absorb (Look at the various Guardians), seems very speculative that this would be the only circumstance out of 7 to not be the case and instead use a low...
  40. SomebodyData

    Metroid Prime 2: Light of Aether downgrade

    I understand, however, it isn't a case of being empowered, but absorption. Furthermore, every time these characters (The Ing) have absorbed something, they also upgrade it so it seems pretty safe here to say that it's at the very least consistent.
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