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Goku actually stomps Gotenks form by form
BoG went out of its way to tell Goku and Vegeta were #1 and #2 pre ritual.
Vegeta ******** himself the moment he heard Goku lost to Beerus is very telling, not to mention how badly SSJ2 Vegeta outperformed Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, BEFORE the famous...
Isn't there promotional material implying Goten and Trunks are above the Humans by the ToP
This alone would grant them 2-C, let alone Super Hero which actually implies Goten and Trunks to be above pre Ultimate Piccolo who is solidly 2-C anyways.
(Not that I agree w Krillin being 2-C in the...
Wouldn't this go similarly to Early Goku vs Vegeta? I'd give the edge to Manga Goku though bc more experience and IT, PLUS he wouldnt need to over exert himself unlike his.other self who 100% will need Kaioken to keep up and overpower him
Yall can still work around DBS power scaling
Friendly reminder that theres official statement about Goku Black being the strongest non fused character at that arc.
That automatically makes Black and anyone who scales to him like SSR Trunks, Fused Zamasu, Vegito Blue, etc above at the very least...
uuhhhh, so
Why arent ppl like Goku Black, Vegito Blue, or high end characters from GF arc and onwards scaling?
theres no amount of scaling that puts ToP Base Goku above his SSB self from initial arcs (at least not initial ToP to post UIS1 Base Goku which is being discussed here).
Having...
If humans by the ToP scale to 2-C wouldnt both Goten and Trunks scale to? I can recall official media regarding Goten and Trunks as stronger than the humans but didn't make the cut just because they weren't experienced enough.
Even if being a timeline "doesn't mean you can lift one", dude is still a ******* 4D construct ffs his LS would still be immeasurable as it is quantitatively superior to anything 3D including infinite LS.
Unless you wanna argue a inf. LS dude could overpower wallpaper Zamasu.
In all honesty SSJ Goku scaling at the end may be fine due to what happened in chou manga just a few months after (BoG SSJ Goku one shotting Cell and Frieza while being about to fight Kid Buu) but ain't definite proof i disagree base goku scaling
I'll gotta admit Base Goten and Trunks scaling to Base Gohan is iffy and still needs a bit more evidence, not completely disagreeing with 2-C bc they should still scale above 18.
agreeing with Buu and Fat Gotenks being 2-C.
we need more staff input
The PS is so shit Goten and Trunks becoming 2 macrocosm 2-C by doing absolutely nothing and even forgetting how to fuse properly
Gohan becomes UI+ tier by studying
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If Piccolo seriously thought INITIAL Gammas to be DBSB SSB Goku tier, as well as Base Gohan being already not one shot material to them; SSJ Gohan may be enough to wipe Frieza easily.
If Piccolo estimated Gammas maximum power to be at the level of DBSB SSB Goku tier then this may be a fair...
So we get
Fat Gotenks > Ultimate Piccolo > SSJ Gohan/Goten/Trunks >> Initial Gammas > Base Gohan ~ Base Piccolo ~ Base Goten/Trunks >>>>> 18 / more or less equal to her ToP self.
Buu being at least in the level of Initial Gammas?
The fact that all those guys even mantained a bit of a fight against Cell Max is ridiculous, but if showings do suggest Base Goten/Trunks > 18 who's already 2-C I do agree with 2-C rating at least by scaling to 18, scaling to Gohan is probs debatable but seems alright.
Majin Buu being 2-C...
Wait serious question about this
Are Fat Gotenks/Gogeta still stronger than the maximum power of their respective components? say Fat Gotenks > SSJ Kids? M12 Veku > SSJ3 Goku?
I am rather confused about the Universe 7 size, it was agreed to be 3 universes; then 2 now its 6 why is it 6 now? When was it agreed to be 6 and which are all the 6 universe sized dimensions?
Beast Gohan is at least comparable to Broly who endured hits from Gogeta Blue, who in turn would one shot both SSJ Gogeta or Broly who was beating the crap out of Broly Arc Frieza.
Gohan one taps.
Mystic Gohan would be a far far better match up and definitely arguable for both sides.
I am also siding neutral here.
honestly, SSG multiplier being the same after the ritual feels odd. Goku absorbed the SSG power into his base, for it then to STILL have that seemingly infinite increase it had in BoG? The initial god increase being 500x500 makes absolute sense, but that's it for...
lets just not ******* forget that in the super manga Base Vegito outperformed Complete SSB Goku which further proves base fusion >>>>> fusees' accessible full power (SSJ for the kids in DBZ, SSJ3 for Goku in Z and SSB for Goku in Super plus Base Kefla>>> Berserker Kale) i don't know how this is...
UI is so stupidly broken like what the **** bro just stacked an bigger than SSB multiplier over SSB😭 and this is not even taking in account that DBSB Goku is also > ToP Goku
Serious question shouldn't Bojack scale to Broly's High 3-A key? Movie villains are generally stronger than the previous one and the only exception to this rule was Janemba.
plus M9 Z fighters should intituively be > the ones from M8 as they are post cell games.
(Bojack being below Restricted...
+SSRage Future Trunks last fight vs. Zamasu can be chalked up to PIS or that Trunks was stupidly amped.
there's absolutely no way Goku and Vegeta surpassed their potara fusion like two episodes later especially when there's really no hint at it until episode 109/110