Super Saiyan God Multipler

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Us not allowing Calc stacking is so hilarious. 'Do math but not too much math'

 

[AwkguyDB]

yeah, i did that, goku's ssj3 power + vegeta's ssj2 power * tens of times, or 20x to be conservative

I think the logic for the multiplier is sound and consistent in the show but what I'm saying is that 20.000x = a Pre-Ritual Base Vegito. You got at least 50x-500x to stack on that to get SSJG and then you stack 50x for SSJB

 

[omegabronic]

I think the logic for the multiplier is sound and consistent in the show but what I'm saying is that 20.000x = a Pre-Ritual Base Vegito. You got at least 50x-500x to stack on that to get SSJG and then you stack 50x for SSJB

why stack 50x-500x for ssjG??

 

[AwkguyDB]

why stack 50x-500x for ssjG??

Based on your multiplier

20,000x = Base Vegito (Pre-Ritual)

Vegito can go SSJ and should have a SSJ2 form

SSJG of the BoG arc is stronger

SSJG > SSJ-SSJ2 Vegito (50x- 500x) > Base Vegito > SSJ3 Goku (500x)

 

[omegabronic]

Based on your multiplier

20,000x = Base Vegito (Pre-Ritual)

Vegito can go SSJ and should have a SSJ2 form

SSJG of the BoG arc is stronger

SSJG > SSJ-SSJ2 Vegito (50x- 500x) > Base Vegito > SSJ3 Goku (500x)

oh right, forgot that part, so it would be:

Base vegeto = SSJ3 goku(at least 500x) + SSJ2 vegeta(at least 500x) * 20(tens of times according to vados, so more than 1 ten) = 500 + 500 * 20 = 20.000x multipliers
so since vegeto can go ssj3 or at least 1 = 1.000.000x if we consider ssj1 only vegeto, or 100.000.000x if we consider ssj3 vegeto


which makes SSJB = 50.000.000x multiplier if we consider ssj1 only vegeto, or 5.000.000.000x if we consider ssj3 vegeto

btw since the multiplier is so big, i expect contention from staff, so be ready to make arguments for it

 

[AwkguyDB]

oh right, forgot that part, so it would be:

Base vegeto = SSJ3 goku(at least 500x) + SSJ2 vegeta(at least 500x) * 20(tens of times according to vados, so more than 1 ten) = 500 + 500 * 20 = 20.000x multipliers
so since vegeto can go ssj3 or at least 1 = 1.000.000x if we consider ssj1 only vegeto, or 100.000.000x if we consider ssj3 vegeto


which makes SSJB = 50.000.000x multiplier if we consider ssj1 only vegeto, or 5.000.000.000x if we consider ssj3 vegeto

btw since the multiplier is so big, i expect contention from staff, so be ready to make arguments for it

I definitely ready for the arguments but most of the valid arguments I addressed in the OP

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

we can't use A*B due to calc stacking issues, besides, the only guide shown states that vegeto becomes stronger than ssj3 goku, it doesn't give a fixed multiplier, plus it combining the power of the 2 fusses strongest forms and then multiplying also gets this result and still stays consistent with everything else


tens of times, so more than 1 ten, aka at least 20x to be conservative

I never said we should do a multiplier like that I’m just explaining why fusion gives a bigger multiplier in series Pre and post ritual it’s because it’s A*B we’re literally only doing SSJ3 x SSJ3 which is only a million multiplier

Since we know Base to SSJG is a bigger increase then Goku x Vegeta x SSJ3 pre ritual

 

[omegabronic]

I definitely ready for the arguments but most of the valid arguments I addressed in the OP

i meant for situations in he series supporting the big multipliers, it shouldn't be to much complicated tho, still better be ready

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

You know I feel like we should just stick with the most reasonable thing (SSG > Pre-Ritual SS3 Vegito who is 250,000 times base Goku and Vegeta) and be done with it

You know, the proposal in the OP

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Yeah the Vados statements comes from a primary source while the AxB statement comes from a secondary source, so Vado's statement takes priority, and not only that, but Vados statement is much more recent than the guide statement. So newer statement + primary source > older statement + secondary source.

And for what to use for tens of times is simple, just use 20x (since that would be the minimum for tens of times similar to how we use 3 for several times).

So (Character A's full power + Character B's full power)* at least 20= Base Fusion power.

 

[omegabronic]

I never said we should do a multiplier like that I’m just explaining why fusion gives a bigger multiplier in series Pre and post ritual it’s because it’s A*B we’re literally only doing SSJ3 x SSJ3 which is only a million multiplier

Since we know Base to SSJG is a bigger increase then Goku x Vegeta x SSJ3 pre ritual

i told you why goku x vegeta is not allowed here, but vegeto is goku's max + vegeta's max, he is stop stacking multipliers, he is just above the sum of the final result of both mutipliers in his fusees, so it isn't ssj3 * ssj2, it is ssj3 + ssj2 * tens of times

 

[AwkguyDB]

We need to make a DBS scaling blog and a multipliers blog

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

We need to make a DBS scaling blog and a multipliers blog

Done

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Yeah the Vados statements comes from a primary source while the AxB statement comes from a secondary source, so Vado's statement takes priority, and not only that, but Vados statement is much more recent than the guide statement. So newer statement + primary source > older statement + secondary source.

And for what to use for tens of times is simple, just use 20x (since that would be the minimum for tens of times similar to how we use 3 for several times).

So (Character A's full power + Character B's full power)* at least 20= Base Fusion power.

Also tbf, this multiplier is for Potara iirc, so I'm not sure this would apply for fusion dance.

 

[omegabronic]

Done

show it

 

[AwkguyDB]

i told you why goku x vegeta is not allowed here, but vegeto is goku's max + vegeta's max, he is stop stacking multipliers, he is just above the sum of the final result of both mutipliers in his fusees, so it isn't ssj3 * ssj2, it is ssj3 + ssj2 * tens of times

I never said we should do a multiplier like that I’m just explaining why fusion gives a bigger multiplier in series Pre and post ritual it’s because it’s A*B we’re literally only doing SSJ3 x SSJ3 which is only a million multiplier

Since we know Base to SSJG is a bigger increase then Goku x Vegeta x SSJ3 pre ritual

You both are correct lol
SSJ3 x SSJ3 would be accepted here only that we get it from SSJG = (SSJ3+B*20) * SSJ3

 

[omegabronic]

You both are correct lol
SSJ3 x SSJ3 would be accepted here only that we get it from SSJG = (SSJ3+B*20) * SSJ3

could you explain?

 

[AwkguyDB]

Done

Link it when you get a chance because this will be crucial for future multipliers

 

[AwkguyDB]

could you explain?

Literally Base Vegito * SSJ3

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Link it when you get a chance because this will be crucial for future multipliers

Its not updated because the SSG multiplier hasn't even been accepted

 

[AwkguyDB]

Its not updated because the SSG multiplier hasn't even been accepted

oh bet

 

[omegabronic]

Literally Base Vegito * SSJ3

i already did that with my comment tho?

 

[AwkguyDB]

i already did that with my comment tho?

That's why I said you both have the right outcome the only difference is you have the 20* multiplier for Vados' statement

 

[AwkguyDB]

Anyways we need staff if anyone would be so kind to help so we can start working on scaling and other multipliers

 

[omegabronic]

That's why I said you both have the right outcome the only difference is you have the 20* multiplier for Vados' statement

oh i got it, sorry for the confusion

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Anyways we need staff if anyone would be so kind to help so we can start working on scaling and other multipliers

Already handled. All that needs to be done is for the SSG multiplier to be accepted

 

[AwkguyDB]

Already handled. All that needs to be done is for the SSG multiplier to be accepted

Thanks Blud

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

i told you why goku x vegeta is not allowed here, but vegeto is goku's max + vegeta's max, he is stop stacking multipliers, he is just above the sum of the final result of both mutipliers in his fusees, so it isn't ssj3 * ssj2, it is ssj3 + ssj2 * tens of times

MY GUY I’m not saying we should do Goku x Vegeta for the multiplier for fusion I’m giving the inverse reasoning for why it seems fusion was weaker and stronger than ssjg at different points in the story

Ultimately we all agree SSJ3 x SSJ3 should be SSJG’s low balled multiplier

read what I’m saying

Done

You got discord?

 

[Omegas03]

The only thing at this point left to argue is if SSJG ritual surpasses SSJG multiplier which that would honestly be more head canon then the actual truth. Remember Goku even with the ritual hit a 100% threshold and then had the power for himself by retaining the power through fusion with his being. The Boost is more of Saiyan Biology and Goku's stupidly strong willpower to keep going than it is anything with SSJG itself in honesty.

SSJG ritual should be consistent with the SSJG multiplier due to it be referenced in Goku's achievement of SSJB, King Kai makes it clear that the ritual and the casual form are the same thing only "he did it without people." and Goku says he is a Saiyan with the powers of a Super Saiyan God who is Super Saiyan

So at the end of the day the ritual and the form are the same at the very least at the rituals initial stage.

Ok im probs still iffy but ig i got no way to argue ritual SSG > current SSG in terms of multiplier so this is legit

 

[omegabronic]

MY GUY I’m not saying we should do Goku x Vegeta for the multiplier for fusion I’m giving the inverse reasoning for why it seems fusion was weaker and stronger than ssjg at different points in the story

What are you talking about?

Ultimately we all agree SSJ3 x SSJ3 should be SSJG’s low balled multiplier

It isn't ssj3 x ssj3, it is ssj3 + ssj2 x tens of times(20x to be consevative) x ssj3

 

[SSJGeminiJJ]

SSJG ritual should be consistent with the SSJG multiplier due to it be referenced in Goku's achievement of SSJB, King Kai makes it clear that the ritual and the casual form are the same thing only "he did it without people." and Goku says he is a Saiyan with the powers of a Super Saiyan God who is Super Saiyan

This is the nail on the coffin for me. King Kai's reaction and dialogue would make no sense if the ritual multiplier and transformation multiplier were different, especially the latter supposedly being weaker

I agree with the OP completely

 

[AwkguyDB]

Oh yeah lets lay this out we can go with three Multipliers here for SSJG

High Ball
(500x + 500x * 20) x (500x) = 10,000,000x Base Goku
Scaling Goku's metamor statement and Vados' potara fusion statement to Buu Saga/Pre Ritual Vegito and stack SSJ2 on him.

or

Mid Ball
500 x 500 = 250,000x Base Goku
Simply Vegito's Base scaling to SSJ3 Goku and stacking SSJ2 on top of his Base

or

Low Ball
50 x 500 = 25,000x Base Goku
Simply Super Vegito

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

What are you talking about?


It isn't ssj3 x ssj3, it is ssj3 + ssj2 x tens of times(20x to be consevative) x ssj3

I’m saying the reason fusion seems to be weaker than Ssjg and then stronger than Blue is because

Pre ritual goku and Vegeta’s powers multiplied were just weaker than SSJG’s multjplier which we can’t quantify

Post Ritual Goku and Vegeta are way stronger so that’s why it seems like they’re stronger

So for the Lowball we simply do SSJ3 x SSJ3

Simple because SSJG Goku > Vegito SSJ3

 

[SSJGeminiJJ]

For what it's worth, Vegito's aura literally has lightning, which could imply he was actually SSJ2? The distinction between SSJ1 and SSJ2 terminologically had sort of faded in the Buu Saga, so being called Super Vegito wouldn't necessarily be a contradiction to it.

 

[AwkguyDB]

For what it's worth, Vegito's aura literally has lightning, which could imply he was actually SSJ2? The distinction between SSJ1 and SSJ2 terminologically had sort of faded in the Buu Saga, so being called Super Vegito wouldn't necessarily be a contradiction to it.

True though I believe promotional and guidebooks due classify him as simply a SSJ and Heroes doesn't help by actually giving him a SSJ2 form. But based on the daizenshuu saying they retain their powers and techniques, SSJ2 should be fine since they both have it.

 

[SSJGeminiJJ]

That's true about the supplementary material, so yeah that sounds like the best option

 

[GarrixianXD]

Wait wait wait… if Base Vegito >>> SSJ3 then why 500x SSJ3 but 250000x Base Vegito? Syntax doesn’t seem right here

 

[omegabronic]

oh right, forgot that part, so it would be:

Base vegeto = SSJ3 goku(at least 500x) + SSJ2 vegeta(at least 500x) * 20(tens of times according to vados, so more than 1 ten) = 500 + 500 * 20 = 20.000x multipliers
so since vegeto can go ssj3 or at least 1 = 1.000.000x if we consider ssj1 only vegeto, or 100.000.000x if we consider ssj3 vegeto


which makes SSJB = 50.000.000x multiplier if we consider ssj1 only vegeto, or 5.000.000.000x if we consider ssj3 vegeto

btw since the multiplier is so big, i expect contention from staff, so be ready to make arguments for it

Oh yeah lets lay this out we can go with three Multipliers here for SSJG

High Ball
(500x + 500x * 20) x (500x) = 10,000,000x
Scaling Goku's metamor statement and Vados' potara fusion statement to Buu Saga/Pre Ritual Vegito and stack SSJ2 on him.

or

Mid Ball
500 x 500 = 250,000x
Simply Vegito's Base scaling to SSJ3 Goku and stacking SSJ2 on top of his Base

or

Low Ball
50 x 500 = 25,000x
Simply Super Vegito

Yours seems to be different than mine, was that a mistake from me or you?

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

It's funny how now the only Super Saiyan forms (in canon at least) that don't have multipliers are SSJ Grade 2 and SSJ3 (and I guess Grade 4, but in canon it's the same as Grade 1 but energy efficient, so the same multiplier). Even freaking SSB Evolved technically has a multiplier lol.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Yours seems to be different than mine, was that a mistake from me or you?

500+500= 1000

1000*20= 20,000

20,000*500 = 10,000,000