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Astral_Trinity439

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  • "Laziness is the path to demise, yet also the reward of success." ~ A Lazy Person
    K'rimuru
    Hi Astral 👋

    Since you have a lot of experience with user blogs and vsbw in general, I wanted to ask your opinion on this one I just made :

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    Lloyd threatens to destroy the world and humanity with the triple incantation

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    I wanted to ask your opinion because it is rather short and I have mixed feelings about the presentation, I don't know what to add, because in fact the feat is very simple and I don't know if I'm doing it too simply or if I'm making it too complicated for something unimportant.
    Astral_Trinity439
    Astral_Trinity439
    Given the memetic context is Lloyd just using a spray bottle, I think it's more so along the lines of (he can flood the entire planet and terraform it, destroying the whole of humanity in the process. You'll need to calculate where that scales, though.

    At least imo
    Llyod is water, water is good, LLYOD IS GOOD!!
    AstraphelNoctis4
    Hello Astral,

    I have a major question because I’m noticing some inconsistencies with the profiles. since I’m new here, I might not know the full history, but:

    Carrera is listed as Continental+ because of Gravity Collapse. Rimuru is listed as High Continental (why? ) just for being superior to Carrera, comparable to Lion, and even superior to the newly Awakened Demon Lord. But then Diablo is again listed as Continental+ for being comparable to Rimuru, then using the same reasoning, Dino is listed as Continental+?
    Gazel is Continental, but Shizue is listed as Large Country Level+ for being equal to Gazel?

    It seems inconsistent.
    Lucas_xd15
    Hi Astral, I wanted to ask something about Tensura. You know a lot about Tensura, and I’m still reading the light novel, but I wanted to ask about the energy Turn Null. My question is: what can Turn Null energy do? Can it create universes? And what else can that energy do? Those are all my questions, answer me whenever you have time. 🙏🏻
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    Astral_Trinity439
    Well, I mean, it can destroy worlds, including everything in it, so naturally "everything" that "exists".

    It can also destroy infons at a speed faster than which they can escape, that is, it can destroy them across time and space.
    Lucas_xd15
    Lucas_xd15
    Thank you very much, Astral. I’m currently reading the light novel of Tensura, I’m on volume 13, but I don’t really mind spoilers since the videos I watch on TikTok already spoil a lot for me. Although, I don’t really understand how everything in Tensura works yet, I don’t even understand what Rimuru’s ability Void God Azathoth actually does. In fact, Tensura is my first light novel and I truly love it.
    Astral_Trinity439
    Astral_Trinity439
    Lol, you won't really understand Azathoth's working from those tiktokers and TikTok videos. Just enjoy reading the volumes sequentially.

    And same, it was my first web novel and light novel lol
    AstraphelNoctis4
    Hey, may I know how many layers Tensura has other than its Law hax, such as Power Mimicry or resistances?
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    Astral_Trinity439
    Many.
    For power mimicry alone, there's Adapter -> Imitator -> Usurpur -> Gluttony -> Artist -> Beelzebuth -> Azathoth

    Since everything in tensura is law and willpower based, and willpower itself is not equal for any two beings due to distinct desires and personalities, there's an insane amount of layers for all the general abilities and resistances (like law manip, power null) since technically, literally all unique skills have a hierarchy of willpower for their respective users. I'd even say the amount of layers is equal to the amount of unique skill users and magic users.

    Things that determine layers are Magicules amount and magic control effecting, but both of those are dependent on the willpower of a person. So willpower is essentially the fundamental definer of "what resists what".

    We have many examples of unique skill user nullfying all affects of another unique skill user while his own powers work just fine on the lesser unique skill user. Like Shion with Clayman, Shion with Razul, Bernie with Masayuki, etc.
    AstraphelNoctis4
    AstraphelNoctis4
    Humm , I see . Thank you astral.
    Astral_Trinity439
    Astral_Trinity439
    No probs.
    Lucas_xd15
    Hello, I wanted to know about R>F. Is it necessary for a work to explicitly say that a higher kingdom sees a lower world as fiction for it to be R>F or not?
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    Lucas_xd15
    Ok you can answer me tomorrow there is no rush haha.
    Astral_Trinity439
    Astral_Trinity439
    That depends on the context surrounding those statements. A place without sky visible axis or direction cam either be two things; the lower interpretation, am empty space with nothing in it, but not strictly the lack of space; and the other being that it literally has no axis at all and lacks space itself, and is thus spaceless (and timeless).

    For the higher interpretation, you'll need some more context like it being outside space and time, space type abilities not working here, etc.

    As for the tier, that depends on its cosmological standing and the presence, or absence thereof, anti feats. It can be as low as nothing at all, or as high as low 1A or 1-A. But some statements can also degrade it to just your average tier 2 space.
    Lucas_xd15
    Lucas_xd15
    Thank you very much astral, you really help me a lot with these kinds of things and forgive me if I bother you too much, I know you are very busy in real life. 🙏🏻
    BeTheWay1rst
    Hi, i hope you had a good day, i have made a CRT, give it a go when you have the time 🙏
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    Tower Of God's Metaphysical Aspects (Done)

    This thread is about the 2 most fundamental Metaphysical Aspect of the Tower: Shinsu and the System 1 - Shinsu is based on the concept that water is the source of life and also an extension of that idea. Shinsu is the source of the Tower and the Tower itself at all level(physical...
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    Youngwolf-0.1
    Hello Astral it's been a while, i have a question about this do you think this can help for cm?
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    Does NEP1 really have layers

    I heard that “ NEP would just be 1 layer into NEP1 as being more nonexistent than some nothingness isn't exactly enough but instead needs to completely surpass the binary of existence and nonexistence” Form what I understand 0 means nonexistence or simply not 1 And 1 means existence or not 0...
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    Could you please answer this question for me
    FriendOfTheTeaParty
    FriendOfTheTeaParty

    Thread 'Is this Low 1-A/1-A?'

    So the System is an omnipotent being where to comprehend it would be to comprehend everything yet even that comprehension falls short as it will always just be a part of the System and would just serve as an "expansion" of it. Time and Space as concepts also don't mean much to it and it's also completely without quantification or comparison facilitating what everything is as everything is the System and the System is everything.
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    There's also concepts (governing essences here) and includes concepts of Time...
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    Unoriginal777
    Hello again Astral,

    I hope things have been going well for you, but with the matter of greetings aside I had a question. Knowing how VSBW can be would you be willing to perhaps help me probe at the opposition against the view you and I hold to in the container thread as I feel it would not only help show the strength of our points, but also get the mods to actually engage with the arguments (rather then hide behind their hastily made responses) so we can get this CRT moving along as opposed to sitting on the shelf to gather dust as it were. I myself have already begun by calling out @Deagonx's take on the matter so it would be helpful to get some assistance on confronting the opposition to our shared view.

    In any case, regardless of your answer I thank you for your time.

    Sincerely,
    Unoriginal777
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    Hi, Uno
    Really sorry, although I would love to partake, but at the moment, I am too busy caught up with having to prepare for college tests irl while simulatenously solo-translating the entire newly released volume of the verse support, so I don't want to half-ass my arguments in a standards revision thread given my lack of time. 🙏😭

    Although, I would not at all mind you using any part of the explanations/arguments or suggestions I made in my post. And, if I manage to get enough time to participate in the future, I would gladly do so.
    Unoriginal777
    Unoriginal777
    By all means take your time. Heck if need be I can help you draft any response ideas that come to mind. I'd need only let you post what we finish crafting together. Again ignoring what I said previously even if you don't have time to do what I just suggested, college comes first (believe you me I get it) and you should focus primarily on that regardless of all this VSBW stuff cause at the end of the day only college is gonna get you a future. Thank you again for your support regardless.
    Hello again, Astral. I have a question. Isn't it better to gradually upgrade Tensura WN? Like first upgrade to Low 1-A, then 1-A (High 1-A) and then tier 0? I think it will be faster this way. What do you think?
    Unoriginal777
    Hello Astral,

    You probably recognize me as the random guy from the Infinite Multiversal Space Container thread, but I wanted to take a moment out to say that I really liked your take on the issue in your own comment and found it to be a well thought out and informed addition to the conversation. Now that being said I am curious about your thoughts as to my take on the issue found in my aforementioned first comment.

    In any case, thank you in advance for hearing me out.

    Sincerely,
    Unoriginal777
    Astral_Trinity439
    Astral_Trinity439
    Glad you liked it!
    Now, moving on to your post:
    Now that being said, after carefully reviewing the wiki standards I have what I think to be a slight criticism of the current tier 2 standards. Namely when those standards move beyond the basic Low 2-C reference point. So say someone is trying to push for 2-A which is represented by characters who can “significantly affect, create and/or destroy a countably infinite number of separate space-time continuums." Now I think we would all agree that the space/void which fits these timelines would itself be 2-A at least (given what it fits). However, say you have a verse that has the void and the statement of being infinitely greater than the notion of space-time continuums. Well to my shock, what typically happens is people take the following view.
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    Well, strictly speaking, a Void is something that lacks space and time, per the Void Manipulation page, and things like Empty spaces that exist in-between universes are not classified as voids in the literal sense, they are just called that out of convenience.

    Now, regarding your statement itself, if we assume a Void as lacking Spatio-temporal characteristics, then a void that is such and yet also infinitely bigger is bound to be 1-A instead, per our BDE2 definitions, provided there are no anti-feats, of course.

    However, looking at the CRT you linked, the only proof I see is of said Demon World being infinite in size, it does not suggest anything like it containing the human world or another separate space-time, just some pocket dimensions that are never confirmed to be different space-times all in all.
    As such, even if the verse in question logically could/should be eligible to fit those infinite space-times in the container, because the container itself doesn’t specify a multiverse, it is then rejected and placed subjectively into 2-C as being "vaguely" above Low 2-C. This notion is one which has always struck me as strangely peculiar seeing as the logic when applied to other tiers that deal in similarly infinite spaces/pocket dimensions doesn’t hold up. For example, at the High-3A tier it is not required that a specified infinite content is demonstrated/shown as much as the fact that the cosmological structure/space itself stretches on infinitely regardless of its demonstrated contents.
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    This is pretty much staff opinion, and all in all, it does not go against the standards, strictly speaking, as there are no set standards for Infinite spaces outside Space-times. However, technically speaking, per what I think, if Space exists outside a Space-Time that contains that Space-Time and is bigger than it, then it is bound to be 2-A by mathematics. And in case it is also infinite, that is naturally low 1-C.
    For example, from what I’ve heard from hearsay (even in this thread) the typical reasoning why simply being “infinite” in comparison to a confirmed 2-C space is “not enough” for tier 2-A is the fact that because the distance between tier 2 constructs is technically infinite (seeing as tier 2 constructs are themselves infinite due to their 4D status for lack of better term) a claim to being infinitely larger then a space-time continuum should then be ignored as follows.
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    And I disagree with that, too, for the same reason as what I described in the CRT itself.
    A line is, for example, infinite, and the space between two non-overlapping lines in a 2-A plane, despite being finite and insignificant in 2-D perspective, is enough to fit a countably infinite amount of such lines.
    Extending that to 4D space-times embedded inside 5D Space, a 5D insignificant space that contains multiple space-times should also be 2-A.
    Nevertheless, I think there’s a problem with this line of reasoning as well in that it fails from a perspectival sense. Think of it this way, we all acknowledge that time-spaces are infinite given their 4D constitution with the addition of a temporal axis. However, the fact we can count said universes which are infinite constructs in blatantly finite terms in all tier 2 standards (as seen in tiers, Low 2-C, 2-C, 2-B, and 2-A) means that it shouldn’t have to be a blurry topic when we have a confirmed Low 2-C space and a space containing it which is infinitely larger then it as by acknowledging the notion of a space-time continuum at all an author is technically taking a God’s eye view from a 4D perspective which trivializes the 4D construct to a finite object to count. This is a very similar concept to how one counts higher infinities and differentiates them from say the infinite amount of decimals between 1 and 2 and the infinite amount of decimals between 1 and infinity; a cornerstone of VSBW as a whole given what we know of Set Theory.

    So for the sake of consistency I believe the best path forward would be to alter the tier 2-C, 2-B, and 2-A standards with the add-on that a verse may also qualify for these rankings should they prove capable of affecting spaces/pocket dimensions that can imitate a multiverse containing 2 to 1000 universes, 1001 to any higher finite amount, and especially spaces that can contain infinite universes despite not showing direct evidence of containing said amount of universes in their expanse because size is the be all, end all of the issue when scaling a dimension of sorts. Not the inside contents or else we'd need to turn that level of scrutiny towards standards for scaling similarly infinite spaces like those in the High 3-A classification.
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    Same as what I said at the start, so we share nearly the same sentiment in this.
    Tho, note that, for the highlighted 3 words, I would like to assume that you meant 4D Space-times there, which I agree to. Though, Spaces outside the Universe that are shown to be literally infinite should straight up be low 1-C.
    Unoriginal777
    Unoriginal777
    Hello Astral,

    Thank you for your gracious response. I appreciate that you took the time to engage in this dialogue. That being said, DMC's DW does have established evidence of not only being infinitely greater then the HW, but also having in the past encompassed it when the HW was originally born barring outside interference which split the worlds, quite directly if I might add. Not to mention the HW would be the lowest in a spectrum of differing realms in the DW like the mirror realm, a carbon copy of the HW operating on different spatio-temporal laws then the HW which also would've emerged from the DW like the HW or Mundus's palace which can contain a universe which even by 1's metrics is a continuum I think the DW contains/encompasses space time continuums and can contain an infinite amount at that.

    That aside, I can assert that the 3 words were meant to speak of 4D space-times. Sorry for my lack of clarification.
    Astral_Trinity439
    Astral_Trinity439
    First off, sorry for the late response. Kinda forgot about this.

    As for your scans, at first, I was at doubt considering the alternate dimensions had no direct statement of being different space-times, and I thought they were just small dimensions isolated from each other inside a universe, with different fIow rates of time.
    However, seeing the Iast few scans of them being dimensionaIIy separated and being caIIed separate reaIities, I think Iow 1-C is possibIe with that much.
    The_golden_and_silver_house94
    Hey got a question regarding the layers for tensura,
    How does layering work ,if the entire hax is based on laws does that mean one cannt get laws for other things for example life hax
    can magic get its own layers aside from the law hax
    TWILIGHT-OP
    Btw regular members are only allowed to post 3 times in staff discussion thread with admin permissions, and that one was your 4th msg in that thread. So remember this for future.🙂
    Only staff members with evaluation rights can authorize regular members to participate in Staff Discussion threads. Thread Moderators are able to grant permission for a single post at a time, whereas administrators can give permission for up to three.
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    i am saying this here cuz I don't wanna clog up the thread with these kinda posts.
    InkyBattles
    Hello, is there a deference at all between a verse being viewed as imaginary and a verse straight up being imaginary?

    For an example: featherine viewing her verse as a board game.

    I ask this because I’m not to sure if reality>fiction transcendence works as a character manipulation an existing space-time as if it is imaginary is same as a character manipulating a nonexisting imaginary world because it is simply literally imaginary. I have had many people portray them as they if they are different things which started to make me question my knowledge about the r>f transcendence.
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    InkyBattles
    InkyBattles
    Hello! Would you care to answer this question I have please whenever you get the chance to? Thank you
    InkyBattles
    InkyBattles
    Is foundation of reality and elements of reality considered the same thing? because they are parts of reality that keep it from falling apart?
    Astral_Trinity439
    Astral_Trinity439
    Depends on case to case, if I had to be honest.
    However, if eIements here dont refer to something Iike matter, or oxygen, or water, etc. that keep up and sustain the human worId physicaIIy, then yeah
    A good way to prove that they are the same is to prove that without either of them, reaIity wouId not exist, IiteraIIy.
    Richard5128pm
    Hi Astral, can you revisit the thread and check out catzlaflame's input
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    Thread '1-A Void upgrade for Shadow Fight (Need Ultima's input)'

    Hello, this thread focuses on the Primordial Void of Shadow fight, the starting point of creation. I'll try to provide as much context as possible.

    Aspatial and Atemporal part
    In Shadow Fight 2, Tenebris (the void's avatar) describes the void as the emptiness in which worlds are born. Establishing the fact that it lacks any dimensional feature/physicality.
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    The portal -
    Its basically just a hole is reality, through which the void is peeking through. As Tenebris explained, it’s...
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    According to Ant, Ultima is busy with their irl studies, so even if I reply to Catzflame and everyone else, there is no point in dragging this for so long when the VIP, aka Ultima, is missing.

    I think it would be better to wait until Ultima is free.
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    Richard5128pm
    Agreed
    FriendOfTheTeaParty
    hello yap king i would like your input :)
    FriendOfTheTeaParty

    Thread 'Would this be proper R>F? (Weird VRMMO verse)'

    So in the novel Overgeared we have basically what is the baseline setting which is the virtual world as that's where the good majority of the plot happens. But we have the Real World where the players of the VRMMO game are from and characters from the perspective of the game view the Real World as some transcendent reality.

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    There's a bunch of other scans relating to this but cant find em rn.
    But at the end of the novel due to a...
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    Lordhesperus
    Hi astral.

    Have you had a debate with people who downplay Rimuru?
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    I dont debate much outside vsbw.
    There was a time, years ago in the ancient past of TenSura Community on YouTube, when I used to debate a lot, but me debating outside vsbw now is pretty much nonexistent.
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