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Honkai Impact 3rd - Infinite Speed Arguments (v2)

actually idk if this matters but no one actually uses time fracture in lore outside of gameplay so should this really count as an anti feat? Last i recall the only time it was use was when kiana saved mei from fake joyce in the manga which takes place years before any of these feats
like I’ve been looking through numerous vswiki threads with mfs talking about how moving in timestop via pure speed isn’t infinite speed and just resistance, timestop being able to timestop immeasurable 1-A characters, timestopping infinite/immeasurable speed characters just granting a “better timestop”, etc. This shit ain’t consistent bro 😭
 
actually idk if this matters but no one actually uses time fracture in lore outside of gameplay so should this really count as an anti feat? Last i recall the only time it was use was when kiana saved mei from fake joyce in the manga which takes place years before any of these feats
Chill with that
 
Wait if it needs a staff crt to change the standard then would the contention not be applicable here then for now?
That requires the staff CRT need to be made soon and you make it like i have that much free time on my hand to do such thread, i'm busy thinking about nuking the verse, except Kiana profile 🫥
 
Point 4 is just a more flashy point 2, nothing infinite speed about it. Or else we can now give infinite speed to anyone who destroys infinite-sized structure without actual speed feat
About this. Isn’t the feat an explosion that travels. There is an epicenter. Unless the explosion magically spawned in an omnipresent way.
 
About this. Isn’t the feat an explosion that travels. There is an epicenter. Unless the explosion magically spawned in an omnipresent way.
That is chain reaction. Also, did the text even mean it is an actual explosiom that physically travel?
Thankfully this is still before the feats in the OP 😭😭
Where is my Kiana agenda scaling?
 
That is chain reaction
What chain reaction? All they did was detonated their attacks during the clash due to too much energy. Its like saying Bronyas own Zeroth Power feat was a chain reaction when she did it solo.

Also, did the text even mean it is an actual explosiom that physically travel?
I mean we are shown a flash of bright light.

Many believe Zephyro's targeting the Nihility. One Self-Annihilator once described a nightmare: At the end of all things, with nothing left to destroy, a Lord Ravager hurled himself into IX's divine corpus, followed by a single, violent beam of white that pierced the endless dark.

Zephyro’s own similar feat also describes an epicenter.
 
Also if time stop is really an anti feat for infinite speed why does shallot have infinite speed? He gets time stopped by hit all the time especially when they all got brainwashed
 
“Chain reaction” when

1. Bronya does the same thing but solo

2. 2 black holes colliding isn’t scientifically shown to blow up a universe, let alone a 2-A one

3. There’s no gravitational effect that blows up a universe.

4. The wiki scaling singularities to High 3-A.

This is text book their energy output that caused it
 
What chain reaction? All they did was detonated their attacks during the clash due to too much energy. Its like saying Bronyas own Zeroth Power feat was a chain reaction when she did it solo
I mean the Zephyro and Welt feat. About Bronya feat i don't see actual shit aside from an Earthquake which is just world shaking feat kind of thing

Zephyro’s own similar feat also describes an epicenter.
Having an epiccenter is well, not always referring to explosion

At best i could see for a possibly Infinite combat speed, that the best i can see, i'm being lenient here

Also if time stop is really an anti feat for infinite speed why does shallot have infinite speed? He gets time stopped by hit all the time especially when they all got brainwashed
This is the same argument to debunk DBH immeasurable speed bruhh, but anyway, Hit can evolves his time hax, so his time hax hve something to say about affecting infinite and immeasurable speed

i predicted you guys would bring Hit and DB up at some point and bruhh
 
Having an epiccenter is well, not always referring to explosion

At best i could see for a possibly Infinite combat speed, that the best i can see, i'm being lenient here
im personally fine with it.

But yeah it sounds like a bright light that travels endlessly from the explosion, consistent with the clash.
 
This is the same argument to debunk DBH immeasurable speed bruhh, but anyway, Hit can evolves his time hax, so his time hax hve something to say about affecting infinite and immeasurable speed

i predicted you guys would bring Hit and DB up at some point and bruhh
He was the first one that came to mind cause i was on dbl but what does “evolving time hax” entail because from what i remember all he does is skip forward a fee more miliseconds in time it doesnt increase his time stop affects. Though if its unuseable for immeasurable speed nuke same applies here ig but as castorice brought up before this is pretty inconsistant throughout the wiki because theres a ton of characters who have infinite speed and get affected by time hax
 
He was the first one that came to mind cause i was on dbl but what does “evolving time hax” entail because from what i remember all he does is skip forward a fee more miliseconds in time it doesnt increase his time stop affects
Because at least that mean he can evolves his time hax to affect infinite and immeasurable speed. So you have something to work on. Don't need to be too specific, that what i mean


Though if its unuseable for immeasurable speed nuke same applies here ig but as castorice brought up before this is pretty inconsistant throughout the wiki because theres a ton of characters who have infinite speed and get affected by time hax
🤔 :( 🤔
 
But this still doesnt address the fact none of the characters, at least past the point of these feats, have been shown to be affected by time fracture outside of gameplay
 
Point 2 is just AP and Range feat, you are making an assumption that there is an attack that traverse physically within that realm but definitely no, you need to concrete proof, otherwose shaking a realm isn't speed feat
My point was to show that the effects of the attack physically travel the entire realm, so an infinite distance. It's the reason the effects take time to reach the Seele's, it's not shaking the whole realm at once.
Point 3, wth is that? Is the "dream" or singularity infinite in size? I don't remember when playing this part
Black holes aren't infinite in size. Why would it matter? Escaping a black hole's Singularity is infinite speed, and the Spiritual Adam is compared rather strongly to functioning like a black hole.

If you have a problem with this and the FAQ, then the standards are what you have a problem with, and you'd need to get those changed.

Also, you misunderstand what a singularity is. A singularity is an infinitely dense point (in a rotating black hole it is a ring) with zero mass. Because of this spacetime breaks down, a regular "where" or "when" cannot be determined.

In Mathematical theoretical models, Singularities are points where the curvature of spacetime is infinite. That's it.

It's also worth noting that the actual science surrounding Singularities is only theoretical and there's multiple different interpretations. Infinite values like a Singularity's break the laws of physics because infinite values break the theory of relativity.

There's no real / complete or precise definition of a Singularity, so we should go off of wiki standards. Wiki standards say escaping a singularity is infinite speed. This IS escaping a singularity, so it is infinite speed.
1. Finality Kiana blast in Part 1.5 literally take time to reach to Griseo's planet and Sa, they are at the outer edge of the solar system
Extremely, extremely casual Kiana. If she missed Sa, the equivalent of aiming a centimeter off for her, it's stated that the planet would be destroyed. The attack also needed to be timed for Sa's escape anyway.
2. HoV Sirin take time to fly to the moon and get the gems and then fly back iirc in the manga
She doesn't scale to this. It wasn’t even Sirin flying too. It was Benares.
3. The bombing scene in Arc city literally have Kiana rush to the Bomb before it detonate and of course the bomb have a countdown. And later when she uses her HoV power it took time for her to fly to the space before it explode
She doesn't scale to this, not ARC City VD.
4. Time fracture and time stop ability narratively make no sense anymore if people having infinite speed
It is primarily introduced as a gameplay mechanic tbf. Even valks like Vita and Raven, who wouldn't have the Schicksal time fracture system, have time fracture.
 
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