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ExcelsisBerny said:
It's "popular" because people are salty about anime girls stomping their favourite verses.
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I fully approve and support any waifu who does that with all my heart, proudly
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In my experience, 99% of the time the people who said that magic isn't real have only read Umineko and think it's the only When They Cry entry.

The other 1% are people who are salty that anime girls stomp their fav verse. These are insanely entertaining, cause these people haven't actually read Umineko or any WTC xD
 
Question about Mei; was it ever revealed whose Catbox it takes place in? Or did end before that was revealed
 
Currently reading the Vol 2 of the main story of Higurashi Mei.

Rena's sister is adorable. I genuinely like her so much.
 
The Library of Time is basically a wannabe version of the City of Books.

But at least the event clarifies that the City of Books is an Akashic Record, so I guess that is fine.

Although Mei is kinda confusing with the cosmology.
 
Greetings

Can Beatrice solve chess (calculate 10^120 possibilities by themselves)? Or any Umineko character?
 
Nonynho said:
Greetings

Can Beatrice solve chess (calculate 10^120 possibilities by themselves)? Or any Umineko character?
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That is a very weird question. If you are asking whether the characters can process those magnitudes of information, then yes.

But I'm not sure what you exactly mean with "solving chess".
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
That is a very weird question. If you are asking whether the characters can process those magnitudes of information, then yes.

But I'm not sure what you exactly mean with "solving chess".
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chess, as a board game, has a rough estimate of 10^120 possibilities. If one's able to outperform current supercomputers and calculate all of them to never be able to lose the game, then one has solven chess

a bit more here
 
Nonynho said:
chess, as a board game, has a rough estimate of 10^120 possibilities. If one's able to outperform current supercomputers and calculate all of them to never be able to lose the game, then one has solven chess

a bit more here
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Such a weird ahh premise, the possibilities include random and strictly losing moves, and if you consider normal chess, there are far lower variables. If you look at the champs playing, they remember the vast majority of the openings, and there are very few differences, with the games ending in a draw constantly.
 
Violatas said:
This timing is funny because I was gonna suggest an Umineko character for your vs Rimuru chess match, just been busy
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:>
Which one would we get him against?
MrKerf said:
Such a weird ahh premise, the possibilities include random and strictly losing moves, and if you consider normal chess, there are far lower variables. If you look at the champs playing, they remember the vast majority of the openings, and there are very few differences, with the games ending in a draw constantly.
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If both sides can solve the game, then it is impossible for one to lose unless they want it for some reason, due to knowing all the possibilities the game could provide
Which gets an incon in both profiles, IMO something nice

or if they don't because they could but won't, gets Rimuru a W, which is nice for me in the same way
 
Also, since i'm already here

Where should i start if i were to play this series? Been a few years since i played a visual novel (Persona series excluded)
 
Nonynho said:
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Which one would we get him against?
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Battler, Beatrice or Willard imo.

Nonynho said:
Also, since i'm already here

Where should i start if i were to play this series? Been a few years since i played a visual novel (Persona series excluded)
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You can start with either Higurashi or Umineko. Higurashi is Ryukishi's first VN and ties into Umineko, and you'll notice some connections going from Higurashi to Umineko. You'll also appreciate Higu more and see how Ryukishi improved in his writing

You can also just check Umineko first if you really want to. You'll def miss the Higu references but it wouldn't ruin your experience or anything

Nonynho said:
If both sides can solve the game, then it is impossible for one to lose unless they want it for some reason, due to knowing all the possibilities the game could provide
Which gets an incon in both profiles, IMO something nice

or if they don't because they could but won't, gets Rimuru a W, which is nice for me in the same way
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Another alternative is seeing if Rimuru can solve the Rokkenjima mystery I guess
 
Nonynho said:
Where should i start if i were to play this series? Been a few years since i played a visual novel (Persona series excluded)
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If you wanna start the When they cry series, then start by Higurashi, then Higurashi Kai (1), then Umineko, then Umineko Chiru, then Ciconia, then Ciconia Phase 2.

If you want some other works that are also part of the cosmology, you can play Higanbana (composed of short stories, so kinda easy to read), Trianthology (no english translation available), Rose Gun Days, Rewrite and then Harvest Festa, etc. Other mangas that are also part of the comology are Hotarubi (preferibly read after The First and Last Gift, a prologue of Hotarubi that should be read after Umineko), or Harem Royale (not much connection to anything besides some references to other characters). When you've played most of the works you can also watch 07th Theater 1 & 2.

(1) After Higurashi Kai you can watch/read Higurashi Gou and then Sotsu/Meguri, though those are only in the version of Anime/Manga. If you don't like Sotsu or Meguri, there is a short novel called "GouSotsu Another End" that kind of rewrites the end of Sotsu. You can watch them either after Kai (it is a continuation), or after Umineko or Ciconia if you wanna understand more references.

And... I think I'm not missing anything
 
Violatas said:
Another alternative is seeing if Rimuru can solve the Rokkenjima mystery I guess
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i am making a series of horror-based battles and eventually i got stuck trying to find something for Gale Weathers, investigative journalist from the Scream series, but i couldn't hold an exact grasp if this would be solvable

tell me more about it, for me to check if it'd be matchable

Violatas said:
Battler, Beatrice or Willard imo.
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Think i'll go w/ Beatrice, for attention sake

Violatas said:
You can start with either Higurashi or Umineko. Higurashi is Ryukishi's first VN and ties into Umineko, and you'll notice some connections going from Higurashi to Umineko. You'll also appreciate Higu more and see how Ryukishi improved in his writing

You can also just check Umineko first if you really want to. You'll def miss the Higu references but it wouldn't ruin your experience or anything
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JustANormalPerson01 said:
If you wanna start the When they cry series, then start by Higurashi, then Higurashi Kai (1), then Umineko, then Umineko Chiru, then Ciconia, then Ciconia Phase 2.

If you want some other works that are also part of the cosmology, you can play Higanbana (composed of short stories, so kinda easy to read), Trianthology (no english translation available), Rose Gun Days, Rewrite and then Harvest Festa, etc. Other mangas that are also part of the comology are Hotarubi (preferibly read after The First and Last Gift, a prologue of Hotarubi that should be read after Umineko), or Harem Royale (not much connection to anything besides some references to other characters). When you've played most of the works you can also watch 07th Theater 1 & 2.

(1) After Higurashi Kai you can watch/read Higurashi Gou and then Sotsu/Meguri, though those are only in the version of Anime/Manga. If you don't like Sotsu or Meguri, there is a short novel called "GouSotsu Another End" that kind of rewrites the end of Sotsu. You can watch them either after Kai (it is a continuation), or after Umineko or Ciconia if you wanna understand more references.

And... I think I'm not missing anything
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ok, @Violatas makes a lotta sense and then @JustANormalPerson01 infobombs telling me i could be missing details and stories by going on the simple way
Anywhere i can find official timeline(s) or i'll have to go like Megaten Series and freestyle my way up on the chronology?
 
All works are standalones. You could effectively read Umineko withour reading Higurashi or vice versa and understand the story perfectly. However, if you want to better understand the references, imo it is better to watch first Higurashi, then Umineko (I'm counting Higurashi and Umineko as the 8 episodes whole on this text btw). Because, even if you won't miss the plot if you read one without reading the other, there are references to Higurashi in Umineko you won't understand otherwise. Plus, well, Higurashi was the first work on the WTC franchise after all. I'm telling you to watch Hotarubi after Umineko because it is canonically a story that takes place after Umineko (you could watch it before Umineko with no problem, as long as you don't read The First and Last Gift given it is an Umineko story after the 8 episodes that serves at the same time as a prologue to Hotarubi).

Idk if there is some sort of official/unofficial timeline that encompasses all works of 07th Expansion. The most I know is unofficial reading order guides for Higurashi and Umineko from Reddit.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
All works are standalones. You could effectively read Umineko withour reading Higurashi or vice versa and understand the story perfectly. However, if you want to better understand the references, imo it is better to watch first Higurashi, then Umineko (I'm counting Higurashi and Umineko as the 8 episodes whole on this text btw). Because, even if you won't miss the plot if you read one without reading the other, there are references to Higurashi in Umineko you won't understand otherwise. Plus, well, Higurashi was the first work on the WTC franchise after all. I'm telling you to watch Hotarubi after Umineko because it is canonically a story that takes place after Umineko (you could watch it before Umineko with no problem, as long as you don't read The First and Last Gift given it is an Umineko story after the 8 episodes that serves at the same time as a prologue to Hotarubi).

Idk if there is some sort of official/unofficial timeline that encompasses all works of 07th Expansion. The most I know is unofficial reading order guides for Higurashi and Umineko from Reddit.
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ok, so nothing is lost by going:

All Higurashi works > All Umineko works > Hotarubi

Where does the rest you recommended go in? is it too much trouble for ya, asking to pinpoint this?
 
You could do so, yeah.

Well, it depends on how much time you have tbh. If you want short stories of like 1h long each, Higanbana is fine.

If you want a long romance vn with different routes, you can try Rewrite and Harvest Festa as its kind-of sequel.

If you are feeling more like action, gangster stuff, Rose Gun Days.

The order for them doesn't really matter. Whatever you're more confortable with.
 
Nonynho said:
i am making a series of horror-based battles and eventually i got stuck trying to find something for Gale Weathers, investigative journalist from the Scream series, but i couldn't hold an exact grasp if this would be solvable

tell me more about it, for me to check if it'd be matchable
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I assume you don't mind spoilers.

The Rokkenjima mystery is the main premise of Umineko. Nearly an entire family was killed on an island and its up to you to piece together what happened. In story, there's meta fictional battles where two sides are debating against each other in a game of logic, the "human side" and the "witch side". The human side has to explain how all the murders could've been done by human means, while the witch side has to prove the murders could've only been done by magical methods. The Witch side can't make the mystery literally impossible to solve though. If the human side offers a possible explanation for a death, the witch side can rebuke it with another explanation as long as they don't contradict themselves or earlier statements establishing the surrounding mystery.

This is a very rough tldr xd
 
Violatas said:
I assume you don't mind spoilers.

The Rokkenjima mystery is the main premise of Umineko. Nearly an entire family was killed on an island and its up to you to piece together what happened. In story, there's meta fictional battles where two sides are debating against each other in a game of logic, the "human side" and the "witch side". The human side has to explain how all the murders could've been done by human means, while the witch side has to prove the murders could've only been done by magical methods. The Witch side can't make the mystery literally impossible to solve though. If the human side offers a possible explanation for a death, the witch side can rebuke it with another explanation as long as they don't contradict themselves or earlier statements establishing the surrounding mystery.

This is a very rough tldr xd
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i'll keep that in mind to see if i put someone to investigate it
thank you
 
And yeah this technically was done with a different character before
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