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This is our current justification for Omniversal Eternity (minus the Demattis references):
Encompasses and transcends the entirety of the inner multiverse as well as a reflection of it, perceived by him as a dream, as comic strips or as a script. This includes the infinite-dimensional extent of individual Earths, as well as the infinite worlds that are within worlds that exist above them. Encompasses and transcends the Superflow, which is simply Eternity's mindscape, holding all of the Multiversal Abstracts that inhabit it, even The Living Tribunal, as simply inner workings of himself
There are also the accepted statements from here (only 7 of the 15 scans shown are from DeMattis[since we never removed Demattis stuff from the cosmology page], the other 8 are not DeMattis) and more statements here, showing how there are an infinite number of layered transcending planes beyond (and below) Earth-616 within the Omniverse. There is also this statement of "worlds beyond worlds" (with world in this context clearly meaning universe) and this from Goofy's blog:
Within the entire structure of the Marvel Cosmology, there is an infinite plane of existence and level of consciousness mapping out the Multiverse. In which the dreamscape of the Universe as well as levels of imagination of someone else.As such realms like Asgard being beyond time and space and is so far above the realm of Midgard and beyond all forms of mortal dreams and comprehension. The world itself and its DNA contained pieces of a whole as each piece is the whole itself such a concept of “As Above, So Below.” The Universe reflects off the consciousness of itself and as mentioned previously the worlds above and the metaphysical plane transcend and contain the previous ones as there consciousness given those substance forms. As we know the Crossroads interconnects all universes telling us that the Cosmos is innumerably layered. We also know that the layers of reality being infinite also is in levels of infinity beyond the baseline infinite levels of existence (the concept of Transfinite is used wrong, but the point remains).
As the Superflow is the highest plane within the Omniverse and its penultimate layer, with the Omniverse and other structures naturally scaling above it, this would put the Superflow, Omniversal Eternity, and anything equal to or outside the Omniverse at 1-A+, with the Beyonders being 1 layer into 1-A+.
However, the White Hot Room is a different story all together. As currently stated on the profile, the flames of the True Phoenix are the very fires of creation that forge the possible into the actual, with the White-Hot Room itself being the unmanifest void in which all matter and energy sleeps, both the singularity at the beginning and end of creation and the Big Bang that births it. Also, The White Hot Room is a place of pure creativity that births somethings and nothings, and as its name implies, serves as the pure white page on which all stories and endings are written. In addition, the Phoenix is the white hot heart that turns the cosmos and originates the process of change and becoming, moving all things while not being itself moved. The White Hot Room is the heart of all things and is viewed as archetypal even in comparison to the Beyonders themselves, from Defenders: Beyond #3. The Never Queen herself (more on her below) used the Fire of Becoming within the White Hot Room to turn the possibilities within her into multiversal actualities, bridging the gap between "What If" and "What Is", from Ultimates 2 Vol. 2 #100. It's true nature has also been indicated in other appearances of the realm, such as when The Six go past the Far Shore and into the White-Hot Room, and the narration states "The power touches the eye. And the eye gazes into all. All." And it's also been described as "All times, and no time," both of which indicate that all of creation rests within it, in the same way a pool of molten iron contains in itself all the potential forms that could be cast out of it.
More than that, the White Hot Room scales in nature to the Dominions, as Dominions occupy a state of existence representing the end of the White Hot Room's stories. This is important to note, because Dominions are transcendent of reality and unburdened by linearity to an extent where Beyonders are linear compared with them, therefore making them fearsome threats to Beyonders and existentially transcendent of them.
As such, it is clear that the White-Hot Room not only transcends the 1-A+ Beyond Realm and Omniverse, but is above them to the point where it is unbound by the linearity that is present in the Beyond Realm, and the White Hot Room is also the realm where all possibilities are made into reality and where all somethings and nothings emerge from, the page on which all narratives and stories are created from, and the force that creates the change/flow of causality, progression, and dynamism in the lower planes found within all lower realms (aka the Beyond Realm and the Omniverse) while being outside of said flow itself. Hence, it qualifies for High 1-A.
Meanwhile, the Never Queen and all those who scale to her and to her realm should also be High 1-A, since her realm is the realm of raw, unchecked possibility from which reality emerges, where the Never Queen acts as the very personification and creator of that possibility, giving birth to all that might be. The Never Queen herself exists beyond all possibilities of stories, outside of all reality (from Silver Surfer Vol. 7 #11), and she is the personification of possibility, the potential of all that can be, she does not exist in the now, but rather outside of space and time in the yet-to-be (from Silver Surfer Vol. 7 #13). She is the personification of what might be (from Ultimates 2 Vol. 2 #4), and she is the might be, forever outside of what is, from the outside, she sees all (from Ultimates 2 Vol. 2 #7).
Her realm is also described as "The stone that causes the ripple. It is the point where all iterations originate. It is the dark of the universe where everything is a possibility. Through the Arbiter exists the realms of possibility. The Arbiter is the very stuff that we are made of... The concepts that become reality." And it encompasses the Land of Couldn't-Be-Shouldn't-Be, and perceives it as part of a comic page, making it a further level within the same sphere. The lesson taught to the Defenders, here, being that what "Can Be" constitutes a much larger realm than "What Can't Be.
Since the Never Queen and her realm exist above the White Hot Room, and are both the origin of and exist beyond all possibilities of both stories and narratives, she should also be High 1-A, or rather 1 layer into High 1-A via transcending the Land of Couldn't Be Shouldn't Be, a realm which is greater than the White Hot Room. This in turn would bump the One Above All and the House of Ideas to 2 layers into High 1-A.
NOTE: Scarlet Witch's upper end with the Chthonic Aura will not be High 1-A since that'd be an outlier, especially since Steve Orlando recently confirmed the Never Queen to be far stronger than Chthon.It will at best be 1-A+ via scaling to Black Winter, which is consistent with how Agatha Harkness stated Chthon to be worse than anything Scarlet Witch has done, which should include the Chaos Wave that nearly destroyed the Omniverse, and SW has the power of Chthon/the Darkhold within her. Also, the Darkhold is one of the 4 cornerstones of creation, and when gathered and used together with the three other artifacts, it was stated to form enough power to repair damage to the mystic half of Earth-616, it could allow Chthon to rule over creation through a human vessel in possession of them, and was shown directly able to banish Chthon himself. Chthon as an Elder God would also scale to Gaea, has been described as the true wellspring of the multiverse since Chaos War and gave Hercules the power to contend with the Multiversal Chaos King, and more recently Immortal Thor has described Elder Gods as entities beyond the stories of the multiverse who view creation as shadows in a cave. Also, Elder Gods Set and Khonshu are multiverse-spanning beings.
Edit: It would honestly be better to just list those as supporting 1-A feats on her profile, since those Black Winters are portrayed in the same storyline as inferior to Oblivion and a weakened Infinity with their best individual feat being superior to Galactus.
In other news, with the new BDE revisions, all the BDE2 people in Marvel should be bumped up to BDE3 due to being superior in an R>F/1-A sense in the cosmology, even if none of the above revisions are accepted.
Staff Agreements: @Planck69, @Vietthai96, @Elizhaa, @Random-Helper323, @Maverick_Zero_X
This is our current justification for Omniversal Eternity (minus the Demattis references):
Encompasses and transcends the entirety of the inner multiverse as well as a reflection of it, perceived by him as a dream, as comic strips or as a script. This includes the infinite-dimensional extent of individual Earths, as well as the infinite worlds that are within worlds that exist above them. Encompasses and transcends the Superflow, which is simply Eternity's mindscape, holding all of the Multiversal Abstracts that inhabit it, even The Living Tribunal, as simply inner workings of himself
There are also the accepted statements from here (only 7 of the 15 scans shown are from DeMattis
Within the entire structure of the Marvel Cosmology, there is an infinite plane of existence and level of consciousness mapping out the Multiverse. In which the dreamscape of the Universe as well as levels of imagination of someone else.
As the Superflow is the highest plane within the Omniverse and its penultimate layer, with the Omniverse and other structures naturally scaling above it, this would put the Superflow, Omniversal Eternity, and anything equal to or outside the Omniverse at 1-A+, with the Beyonders being 1 layer into 1-A+.
However, the White Hot Room is a different story all together. As currently stated on the profile, the flames of the True Phoenix are the very fires of creation that forge the possible into the actual, with the White-Hot Room itself being the unmanifest void in which all matter and energy sleeps, both the singularity at the beginning and end of creation and the Big Bang that births it. Also, The White Hot Room is a place of pure creativity that births somethings and nothings, and as its name implies, serves as the pure white page on which all stories and endings are written. In addition, the Phoenix is the white hot heart that turns the cosmos and originates the process of change and becoming, moving all things while not being itself moved. The White Hot Room is the heart of all things and is viewed as archetypal even in comparison to the Beyonders themselves, from Defenders: Beyond #3. The Never Queen herself (more on her below) used the Fire of Becoming within the White Hot Room to turn the possibilities within her into multiversal actualities, bridging the gap between "What If" and "What Is", from Ultimates 2 Vol. 2 #100. It's true nature has also been indicated in other appearances of the realm, such as when The Six go past the Far Shore and into the White-Hot Room, and the narration states "The power touches the eye. And the eye gazes into all. All." And it's also been described as "All times, and no time," both of which indicate that all of creation rests within it, in the same way a pool of molten iron contains in itself all the potential forms that could be cast out of it.
More than that, the White Hot Room scales in nature to the Dominions, as Dominions occupy a state of existence representing the end of the White Hot Room's stories. This is important to note, because Dominions are transcendent of reality and unburdened by linearity to an extent where Beyonders are linear compared with them, therefore making them fearsome threats to Beyonders and existentially transcendent of them.
As such, it is clear that the White-Hot Room not only transcends the 1-A+ Beyond Realm and Omniverse, but is above them to the point where it is unbound by the linearity that is present in the Beyond Realm, and the White Hot Room is also the realm where all possibilities are made into reality and where all somethings and nothings emerge from, the page on which all narratives and stories are created from, and the force that creates the change/flow of causality, progression, and dynamism in the lower planes found within all lower realms (aka the Beyond Realm and the Omniverse) while being outside of said flow itself. Hence, it qualifies for High 1-A.
Meanwhile, the Never Queen and all those who scale to her and to her realm should also be High 1-A, since her realm is the realm of raw, unchecked possibility from which reality emerges, where the Never Queen acts as the very personification and creator of that possibility, giving birth to all that might be. The Never Queen herself exists beyond all possibilities of stories, outside of all reality (from Silver Surfer Vol. 7 #11), and she is the personification of possibility, the potential of all that can be, she does not exist in the now, but rather outside of space and time in the yet-to-be (from Silver Surfer Vol. 7 #13). She is the personification of what might be (from Ultimates 2 Vol. 2 #4), and she is the might be, forever outside of what is, from the outside, she sees all (from Ultimates 2 Vol. 2 #7).
Her realm is also described as "The stone that causes the ripple. It is the point where all iterations originate. It is the dark of the universe where everything is a possibility. Through the Arbiter exists the realms of possibility. The Arbiter is the very stuff that we are made of... The concepts that become reality." And it encompasses the Land of Couldn't-Be-Shouldn't-Be, and perceives it as part of a comic page, making it a further level within the same sphere. The lesson taught to the Defenders, here, being that what "Can Be" constitutes a much larger realm than "What Can't Be.
Since the Never Queen and her realm exist above the White Hot Room, and are both the origin of and exist beyond all possibilities of both stories and narratives, she should also be High 1-A, or rather 1 layer into High 1-A via transcending the Land of Couldn't Be Shouldn't Be, a realm which is greater than the White Hot Room. This in turn would bump the One Above All and the House of Ideas to 2 layers into High 1-A.
NOTE: Scarlet Witch's upper end with the Chthonic Aura will not be High 1-A since that'd be an outlier, especially since Steve Orlando recently confirmed the Never Queen to be far stronger than Chthon.
Edit: It would honestly be better to just list those as supporting 1-A feats on her profile, since those Black Winters are portrayed in the same storyline as inferior to Oblivion and a weakened Infinity with their best individual feat being superior to Galactus.
In other news, with the new BDE revisions, all the BDE2 people in Marvel should be bumped up to BDE3 due to being superior in an R>F/1-A sense in the cosmology, even if none of the above revisions are accepted.
Staff Agreements: @Planck69, @Vietthai96, @Elizhaa, @Random-Helper323, @Maverick_Zero_X
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