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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

So I wonder: what's Sukuna gonna do now? His stamina's gone, his cursed technique is momentarily suspended, his cursed energy reserves have been depleted, and now he's gonna fight a tag team of Itadori and Todo. What more can be taken out of this battle? What else can be done to raise the stakes? Sure he can possibly get another Black Flash recovery for his stamina, but that seems rather lazy. Only thing left I can think of is if Sukuna activates the Merger, but everyone in the Culling Games has to be killed for that to happen. So is Sukuna gonna do some sort of binding vow or something? I don't know how things will proceed at this point.
He'll just pull out 20 more binding vows. We've been here before.
 
That doesn't ignore the fact Chapter 230 scan Sukuna saying he couldn't use Other techniques because of TS.

Ye and he never went for fire arrow because it is dogshit currently and no opportunity for using it were granted. In conclusion Gojo beats up Heian Era Sukuna in the third or fourth Domain expansion. Next.
I didn't say it's just a sure hit read what I said might be related to the domain sure hit. It's a combo within his domain condition
It isn't. Which is why Yuji was never hurt.

If it's EE it does matter because Gojo nor anyone in the verse has any resistance to it Lmao.
it barely matters since being stronger in JJK is what allows you to generally resist hax like we see in the verse 😂 Which is why Sukuna even survived HP despite its special properties.

Gojo is eating that EE attack if Sukuna was just 15F level. Straight up no scratch.

HP and Flames are two different things. I'm not ready for you spamming another paragraph, so I will wait for the Kaisen Backup translation. Machine translation already states that Sukuna couldn't use the flames because continuously changing Domain Expansion barriers reduced its power, not that it initially lacked the power to kill Gojo.
Ye it wasn't significant enough to do anything to gojo. all it would do is just cause second degree burns.
 
hard disagree on one simple fact


THESE ARE LEAKS YOU CAN'T EVEN READ YOU SILLY SILLY MAN!

I mean really everyone keeps doing the same thing over and over: "this chapter sucks" translations come out* oh actually its pretty good.

Like I am genuinely tired of this commnuity doing the same thing over and over again, its like reading a history book and seeing that people really don't bloody learn from the past one bit.
Bro most people when they read leaks they just go hating on it. This is no different 😂
Tell em to do that with any other series that has leaks and mid TL and you'll see mostly the same negative reactions
 
ok.. now this is exactly like the Takaba chapters I mean even with the "oh its seems you can't dislike anyhing gege writes" defence, beat for beat. History is a cyclical thing isn't it?
When JJk manga is finished u gonna see these two change their mind 💤
Reading a completed dish is vastly different than a dish in making. Anybody judging a incomplete dish as bad dish when it is completed, can't have a good judge of quality.
 
Well it was clearly shown in the image where Maki and Ino were supposed to be swapped with Crows so I think SSK played some role otherwise Maki just got thick plot armour for surviving flames.
Good Point; there's still alot going on that can hopefully be explained. Maybe there's more of an upgrade for everyone involved than we've seen so far.
So I wonder: what's Sukuna gonna do now? His stamina's gone, his cursed technique is momentarily suspended, his cursed energy reserves have been depleted, and now he's gonna fight a tag team of Itadori and Todo. What more can be taken out of this battle? What else can be done to raise the stakes? Sure he can possibly get another Black Flash recovery for his stamina, but that seems rather lazy. Only thing left I can think of is if Sukuna activates the Merger, but everyone in the Culling Games has to be killed for that to happen. So is Sukuna gonna do some sort of binding vow or something? I don't know how things will proceed at this point.
I'm not sure how hard the rules are for the merger, but I assumed it only required a ridiculously stupid amount of CE w/the Culling Games being the generator. Been a while since I reread those parts; is it said that it HAS to be everyone in the CG has to die?
 
So I wonder: what's Sukuna gonna do now? His stamina's gone, his cursed technique is momentarily suspended, his cursed energy reserves have been depleted, and now he's gonna fight a tag team of Itadori and Todo. What more can be taken out of this battle? What else can be done to raise the stakes? Sure he can possibly get another Black Flash recovery for his stamina, but that seems rather lazy. Only thing left I can think of is if Sukuna activates the Merger, but everyone in the Culling Games has to be killed for that to happen. So is Sukuna gonna do some sort of binding vow or something? I don't know how things will proceed at this point.
Hiten. His spear. And Uraume might have some connection to it. Or not.
That's why he's smiling despite Yuji's annoying ability.
 

Ye and he never went for fire arrow because it is dogshit currently and no opportunity for using it were granted. In conclusion Gojo beats up Heian Era Sukuna in the third or fourth Domain expansion. Next.

It isn't. Which is why Yuji was never hurt.


it barely matters since being stronger in JJK is what allows you to generally resist hax like we see in the verse 😂 Which is why Sukuna even survived HP despite its special properties.

Gojo is eating that EE attack if Sukuna was just 15F level. Straight up no scratch.


Ye it wasn't significant enough to do anything to gojo. all it would do is just cause second degree burns.
What you are claiming is NLF & argument from incredulity. Saying Gojo can tank an EE attack without feats.
 
So I wonder: what's Sukuna gonna do now? His stamina's gone, his cursed technique is momentarily suspended, his cursed energy reserves have been depleted, and now he's gonna fight a tag team of Itadori and Todo. What more can be taken out of this battle? What else can be done to raise the stakes? Sure he can possibly get another Black Flash recovery for his stamina, but that seems rather lazy. Only thing left I can think of is if Sukuna activates the Merger, but everyone in the Culling Games has to be killed for that to happen. So is Sukuna gonna do some sort of binding vow or something? I don't know how things will proceed at this point.
I think his Stamina isn't gone as far as we know. When he fought Yuta he had same level of CE as Yuta. Which still puts his Stamina way above others and his efficiency is top notch. So unless Gege makes him to be depleted he can still kicking. Also 5 BF's should have already brought back his CE to some extent I think.
 
Hmm, so it was because of the constant changing conditions of MS during the Domain Clashes that prevented him from using Furnace at full power against Gojo?
Also, it seems that he can only use Furnace freely whenever he's only facing one person, but has to do a domain to use Fuga against multiple foes.
Technically, it normally had low speed, Sukuna used a Binding Vow to make up for it. Inside his Domain, he can cook everything, while outside, he can only use it against one target. Because of Sukuna changing Domain conditions, it seems like he didn't have enough power to kill Gojo. I understand that Sukuna was increasing and decreasing the range, so he might not be able to land a clean hit, except for the first and second DE where Gojo was inside his barriers.
 
Ngl i find the reason for Todo not joining earlier to be kinda bullshit, like the **** you mean Sukuna might be alerted of the plan if Yuji learns about it? Then why was Yuji present for every other plan the team made? Why didn't Todo help when Higuruma had the executioners sword or when Sukuna was getting pressed in Yuta's domain?

Hopefully the full translations explain this better
I get what you're saying but also for every other plan they've tried so far Sukuna would've already known about it.
Yuji met Higuruma and got the domain explained while Sukuna was in him, Megumi had memories of Yuta's abilities, Megumi and Yuji were made aware of Maki's new curseless state with Sukuna present and Sukuna even fought her before.
Todo showing up earlier would not have made as much as a difference then as it would now.
Sukuna is at his absolute weakest with no cursed technique or tool to his name. If he knew about Todo being here to help them switch around and get a free hit, he would wipe him out immediately as not only is it an ability he is painfully aware of, he knows how dangerous it can be.
Its better for Todo to have been hidden to help them escape from the clutches of his sure to kill domain as he did just now.
Though I agree the reasoning for hiding it from Yuji is for us fans to be hyped or surprised, we gotta remember the culling games started 12 days after shibuya and Gojo was freed 7 days after that and then we had the month long training session.
Its not been a long time in verse.
 
Todo coming back would be fine and great If Gege had made a proper preparation for that

Like, fr, the last time that Todo's name was mentioned was in the end of Shibuya, and now Gege made a 360 degrees turn and made him join the fight alongside Itadori after Choso's death just because

See this as the following
  • You get rid of a side character for two years
  • Refuses to mention him in any shape or form
  • Brough him back in the last arc, in the last fight and in the last second moments after the death of a important character
  • Doesnt elaborate further
  • Todo gets injured and "loses" his technique on Halloween
  • Culling Games starts 12 days after that
  • Gojo is freed 7 days after that
When exactly did you want Todo to show up?
 
When JJk manga is finished u gonna see these two change their mind 💤
Reading a completed dish is vastly different than a dish in making. Anybody judging a incomplete dish as bad dish when it is completed, can't have a good judge of quality.
I'm one of the oldest JJK fans in this thread. I'm reading it weekly since chapter ~88, always checking the raws

I know how to judge JJK leaks. I know the difference

I just felt that the chapter was bad (extremly bad; horrible)

I'm not gonna change my mind about this chapter. Maybe my opinion about the arc being ruined change, but about this chapter? No
 
  • Todo gets injured and "loses" his technique on Halloween
  • Culling Games starts 12 days after that
  • Gojo is freed 7 days after that
When exactly did you want Todo to show up?
You know, Gege could have made scenes with Todo while the Culling Game was going on. He could have added him easly in-between the main fights of the arc to show what the heck he was doing
 
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YOU LIED ABOUT YOUR CT. YOU LIED ABOUT YOUR DE. YOU LIED ABOUT YOUR JORDANS BEING REAL. YOU LIED ABOUT YOUR GRADE LEVEL. YOU LIED ABOUT BEING A HEAVY HITTER. **** YUTA OKKUTSU AND YUJI ITADORI , YOU’RE STUCK IN A LIFELONG BATTLE WITH PANDA

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What you are claiming is NLF & argument from incredulity. Saying Gojo can tank an EE attack without feats.
That isn't NLF because we see sorcerers consistently survive or are heavily implied to survive X abilities or haxes because they're strong thanks to CE reinforcement. Such as Sukuna surviving Gojo's HP despite the special properties within said HP, Mahito being unsure in one shotting Todo with his soul hax due to how weak he has gotten. If you're strong enough you can survive Mahito's soul hax in JJK. If you're weaker then it is wraps.


Surviving Jogo's heat and shit in his domain requires you to be strong as well like the Fanbook and Jogo say. Having good resistance to Kashimo's electricity trait requires high CE output too. Nobara in some novel somewhat resisting a strengthened mind hax or whatever shenanigans - don't remember where - Civilians and the like being heavily affected by Gojo's UV hax, To where they're heavily incapacitated for quite long, whereas the likes of Choso, or any other like Sukuna, being able to NOT get incapacitated for quite long.

Heck Sukuna is even able to snap back after some seconds or a minute or so from the UV he took. Which again outlines this subtle narrative in JJK where if you're strong, you'll be able to better resist X hax. If you're a Tier or so above the other person, their hax will barely do anything to you, if at all. That's not to say the hax isn't lethal like Gojo's is, but you sure do have greater resistance to be able to bounce back or so in a short time.

Infact, even the Fanbook implies heavily that most that are weak will be instantly destroyed by Sukuna's CT, and few can resist and fight against it.

SUKUNA’S TECHNIQUE

Released by the King of Curses himself, it’s a slashing hellfire of slaughter.



Cursed techniques commonly only have one characteristic, but Sukuna’s technique has been confirmed to have at least two - slashing and flames - which makes it exceptionally powerful. Once it’s activated, it will destroy the enemy in an instant, tearing them apart and burning them down to their bone marrow.




Only a few people are able to fight this technique even for a moment, and most are reduced to nothing before they can resist.
Just like I said. It implies your own strength allows you to better resist Sukuna's flames, slashes etc. Even Yuki was unaffected by Uraume's own ice manipulation, whereas the weaker ones are more easily affected. We also know that Maki and Yuji were able to get out of the maximum output cold that Uraume did, where she used more power on Maki than Yuji, which both were able to get out of from later on (Yuji did far more quicker this time than in the Shibuya incident, indicating that your strength plays a role in resisting haxes and other abilities)

There's even that instance where Yuta and Yuji ISNT cut in half from WS. Which is also where Sukuna was heavily weakened, etc. As for straight forward hax like Blue and Red, DA weakens its output which makes you more resistant to it as well. (Output seems to matter whether you can resist hax that attracts you or repels you through space manip).

Now this sort of resistance in the verse is more so of a general type. There are some you can't just phase through or resist or do anything about, like how Sukuna's fire arrow and DE didn't even leave a single scratch on Mahoraga's wheel despite the sheer disparity in their power. Whereas Gojo's hollow purple - Despite being far weaker than that Sukuna's domain amped cleave and dismantle and fire arrow, was able to erase the wheel. Or how you can't just phase through or bypass Neutral Limitless through just sheer CE reinforcement because of how it is vastly different. And there are probably more stuff than these that I've mentioned that are out of the "Hax and ability resistance" stuff.

What special properties? Hollow Purple is a blast of virtual mass,—it's like getting hit with a giant boulder that you can't feel.
Imaginary mass*. What do you think attraction and repulsion creates my dude? Well we have the answer. It specifically erases you. Blue creates negative numbers. Red creates positive value.
You mix that and you get imaginary mass that happens to erase you because ???
It isn't some invisible Ki blast like yall are waffling about. Makes no sense for haxes like red and blue to simply just create a invisible ki blast 😂

Erase Mahoraga in one hit. - Shishiso TL
 
YOU LIED ABOUT YOUR CT. YOU LIED ABOUT YOUR DE. YOU LIED ABOUT YOUR JORDANS BEING REAL. YOU LIED ABOUT YOUR GRADE LEVEL. YOU LIED ABOUT BEING A HEAVY HITTER. **** YUTA OKKUTSU AND YUJI ITADORI , YOU’RE STUCK IN A LIFELONG BATTLE WITH PANDA

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copied post but still true
 
That isn't NLF because we see sorcerers consistently survive or are heavily implied to survive X abilities or haxes because they're strong thanks to CE reinforcement. Such as Sukuna surviving Gojo's HP despite the special properties within said HP, Mahito being unsure in one shotting Todo with his soul hax due to how weak he has gotten. If you're strong enough you can survive Mahito's soul hax in JJK. If you're weaker then it is wraps.


Surviving Jogo's heat and shit in his domain requires you to be strong as well like the Fanbook and Jogo say. Having good resistance to Kashimo's electricity trait requires high CE output too. Nobara in some novel somewhat resisting a strengthened mind hax or whatever shenanigans - don't remember where - Civilians and the like being heavily affected by Gojo's UV hax, To where they're heavily incapacitated for quite long, whereas the likes of Choso, or any other like Sukuna, being able to NOT get incapacitated for quite long.

Heck Sukuna is even able to snap back after some seconds or a minute or so from the UV he took. Which again outlines this subtle narrative in JJK where if you're strong, you'll be able to better resist X hax. If you're a Tier or so above the other person, their hax will barely do anything to you, if at all. That's not to say the hax isn't lethal like Gojo's is, but you sure do have greater resistance to be able to bounce back or so in a short time.

Infact, even the Fanbook implies heavily that most that are weak will be instantly destroyed by Sukuna's CT, and few can resist and fight against it.

SUKUNA’S TECHNIQUE

Released by the King of Curses himself, it’s a slashing hellfire of slaughter.



Cursed techniques commonly only have one characteristic, but Sukuna’s technique has been confirmed to have at least two - slashing and flames - which makes it exceptionally powerful. Once it’s activated, it will destroy the enemy in an instant, tearing them apart and burning them down to their bone marrow.




Only a few people are able to fight this technique even for a moment, and most are reduced to nothing before they can resist.
Just like I said. It implies your own strength allows you to better resist Sukuna's flames, slashes etc. Even Yuki was unaffected by Uraume's own ice manipulation, whereas the weaker ones are more easily affected. We also know that Maki and Yuji were able to get out of the maximum output cold that Uraume did, where she used more power on Maki than Yuji, which both were able to get out of from later on (Yuji did far more quicker this time than in the Shibuya incident, indicating that your strength plays a role in resisting haxes and other abilities)

There's even that instance where Yuta and Yuji ISNT cut in half from WS. Which is also where Sukuna was heavily weakened, etc. As for straight forward hax like Blue and Red, DA weakens its output which makes you more resistant to it as well. (Output seems to matter whether you can resist hax that attracts you or repels you through space manip).

Now this sort of resistance in the verse is more so of a general type. There are some you can't just phase through or resist or do anything about, like how Sukuna's fire arrow and DE didn't even leave a single scratch on Mahoraga's wheel despite the sheer disparity in their power. Whereas Gojo's hollow purple - Despite being far weaker than that Sukuna's domain amped cleave and dismantle and fire arrow, was able to erase the wheel. Or how you can't just phase through or bypass Neutral Limitless through just sheer CE reinforcement because of how it is vastly different. And there are probably more stuff than these that I've mentioned that are out of the "Hax and ability resistance" stuff.


Imaginary mass*. What do you think attraction and repulsion creates my dude? Well we have the answer. It specifically erases you. Blue creates negative numbers. Red creates positive value.
You mix that and you get imaginary mass that happens to erase you because ???
It isn't some invisible Ki blast like yall are waffling about. Makes no sense for haxes like red and blue to simply just create a invisible ki blast 😂

Erase Mahoraga in one hit. - Shishiso TL

Here is my domain to counter yours
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Well it's not about EE but some Gojo fan just believes if Divine flame is EE Gojo can tank that attack without showing feats for resisting EE.
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I don't see you being in a neutral position here. Anyone who can see your replies can tell that you are inserting Sukuna couldn't tank HP, but he tanked Flames, so Gojo is in the same case, ignoring Flames and HP, which work in different ways with different abilities altogether. Not to mention, Sukuna might not have been affected by flames because it is connected to his domain, where he can just mark it and use it against his opponents, not himself. There are many different explanations that can be given for that. It's your burden to explain how tanking HP gonna make you survive against an possible EE flame not others who tells you flames and HP has different abilities altogether.
possible EE flame
 
Brief interlude: Yuta with Boogie Woogie would quite honestly be annoying as ****. A guy with near equal Jujutsu sense to Todo in just Vol 0 alone, superior in stats, alongside Rika, make fighting him utterly mind numbing.

I cannot imagine thinking, say, Toji is going to say, stab Rika with SSK - clap - now SSK is on the ground and Yuta takes the hit, and now Rika stores it in herself. Imagine Yuta simply switching places with Perfect Sphere and it hits Yorozu on some Goku vs Freeza nonsense. It might not be the most powerful technique, but it damn sure is annoying. All the little techniques pile up into a mountain.
 
I think you suggesting that it's possible at all is concerning enough
That's concerning for only lobotomy fans.

Some EE takes times to completely erase the target. Jogoat's not getting erased instantly isn't an counter argument for it not being an EE. Not that I'm arguing it's EE. That's why I said possible

Databook official translation states this. Not that I checked the raws to confirm it.

Again not that I was arguing for solid EE.
 
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