Asta (BC) vs Demon King (NNT)

Robo432343 · Apr 19, 2024

Asta (Final Saga)

Asta was left at an orphanage as an infant on the outskirts of the Clover Kingdom around the same time as another baby named Yuno. Excitable and outgoing, he dreams of becoming the Magic Emperor, the greatest mage in the kingdom. However, Asta is one of the rare few, if not the only one, to be...

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Demon King (Nanatsu no Taizai)

The Demon King is the ruler of the Demon Clan and the father of Meliodas and Zeldris. He created the Ten Commandments and waged war against the Supreme Deity and the Goddess Clan, eventually resulting in his being sealed in Purgatory. He has remained there ever since, devouring the inhabitants...

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Both 5-C
SBA
Speed Equal

Joshyyy_64 · Apr 20, 2024

Hax stomp? wth is this

Joshyyy_64 · Apr 20, 2024

and when did 7DS get tier 5 additions? what happened? is there a thread?

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 20, 2024

Asta zettens him, gg next

Joshyyy_64 · Apr 20, 2024

Joshyyy_64 said:
Hax stomp? wth is this

lapse in judgement. Asta wins because he has pretty much good resistances to everything he can throw at him. but on some real shit, am I lagging?? when did nnt become tier 5?????

Epsilon_R · Apr 20, 2024

You should probably ask someone in the nnt discussion thread

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 20, 2024

NO ONE CAN DEFLECT THE EMERALD SPLASH!

Arnoldstone18 · Apr 21, 2024

Following

Plus I’ll investigate.

Majinere566 · Apr 21, 2024

Investigate what?

SuperStar · Apr 21, 2024

Wasn't everything accepted in this thread?

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AP Revisions The Ocean Calculation Unfortunately, Tarmiel's calculation is flawed because Aether and KLOL used 40 km for the radius instead of 20. The actual value is just under 2.6 teratons. But, we have another way to get a higher value. Behemoth/Demon King Scaling Behemoth has 5-C feats just...

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Arnoldstone18 · Apr 21, 2024

Oh yeah I already saw it was accepted.

I forgor to revert back.

Robo432343 · Apr 21, 2024

wtf
since when was nnt tier 5

Majinere566 · Apr 21, 2024

New 4KoA/7DS Revisions

AP Revisions The Ocean Calculation Unfortunately, Tarmiel's calculation is flawed because Aether and KLOL used 40 km for the radius instead of 20. The actual value is just under 2.6 teratons. But, we have another way to get a higher value. Behemoth/Demon King Scaling Behemoth has 5-C feats just...

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Robo432343 · Apr 21, 2024

does anyone know what 5-C Arthur scales to

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 21, 2024

Robo432343 said:
does anyone know what 5-C Arthur scales to

33 to 189 exatons

Why he has a plus? No idea, he would scales higher but to the point of being 5-C+?

A pity, Asta zettens him, next

Robo432343 · Apr 21, 2024

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
33 to 189 exatons

Why he has a plus? No idea, he would scales higher but to the point of being 5-C+?

A pity, Asta zettens him, next

But Arthur has 5-A ap and dura
he might one shot here
also immortality type 5

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 21, 2024

Robo432343 said:
But Arthur has 5-A ap and dura
he might one shot here

We are not using 5-C Arthur? Then what is the point of this fight? Asta can't defeat opponents with superior AP unless they are magic itself or something, he just can outskill and against Arthur that is not debatable because it will make the thread a mess

Robo432343 · Apr 21, 2024

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
We are not using 5-C Arthur? When what is the point of this fight? Asta can't defeat opponents with superior AP unless they are magic itself or something, he just can outskill and against Arthur that is not debatable because it will make the thread a mess

i thought we are using 5-C Arthur

the problem with 5-C Arthur is that he has 5-A AP with chaos
i made this match for the non smurf list

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 21, 2024

If you are 5-C and you have 5-A AP attacks/form that is completely banned and unfair

"Characters only qualify for a tier if they are physically in that tier themselves. Tiers through amps that increases both Attack Potency and Durability also works, and the same applies to tiers via technology."

"SBA is assumed"

By SBA, you just can't stomp the opponent with a higher tier attack/form/whatever

Robo432343 · Apr 21, 2024

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
If you are 5-C and you have 5-A AP attacks/form that is completely banned and unfair

"Characters only qualify for a tier if they are physically in that tier themselves. Tiers through amps that increases both Attack Potency and Durability also works, and the same applies to tiers via technology."

"SBA is assumed"

By SBA, you just can't stomp the opponent with a higher tier attack/form/whatever

ok then i changed it to demon king since arthur ap stomps

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 21, 2024

Ok, so we have to discuss Ruler, is magic or not?

About Commandments

Only repose and POSSIBLY Selflesness works, repose nulls your magic, so sure, good job doing that to Asta and Selflesness only works depending of what it means with "desire" because Asta have a GOAL, to be the wizard king for good reasons, not just for himself

I don't know how do you destroy said commandments

Joshyyy_64 · Apr 21, 2024

Robo432343 said:
ok then i changed it to demon king since arthur ap stomps

Or you could've kept it as Arthur and just used both of their 5-c keys??? That's what SBA means

Joshyyy_64 · Apr 21, 2024

Asta counters the demon king's magical power because it's not magic. One zetten should kill him, no?

Robo432343 · Apr 21, 2024

Joshyyy_64 said:
Or you could've kept it as Arthur and just used both of their 5-c keys??? That's what SBA means

if i use both of their 5-C keys, Arthur would still have 5-A attacks with chaos

Epsilon_R · Apr 21, 2024

Robo432343 said:
if i use both of their 5-C keys, Arthur would still have 5-A attacks with chaos

That just means he can't use them, just like how Asta could use Low 5-B Zetten against Hagoromo

Robo432343 · Apr 21, 2024

Epsilon_R said:
That just means he can't use them, just like how Asta could use Low 5-B Zetten against Hagoromo

what are you talking about

i cant restrict Arthur's, "5-A with chaos" thing on his profile, its not allowed

Tatsumi504 · Apr 21, 2024

Epsilon_R said:
That just means he can't use them, just like how Asta could use Low 5-B Zetten against Hagoromo

He can actually but what's the chance Arthur will actively use 5-A attacks is the question you should be asking. Asta could also just dodge

Demon_Lord18 · Apr 21, 2024

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
33 to 189 exatons

Why he has a plus? No idea, he would scales higher but to the point of being 5-C+?

A pity, Asta zettens him, next

Arthur scales above DK 100% (378 exatons) so he has the +

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 21, 2024

Demon_Lord18 said:
Arthur scales above DK 100% (378 exatons) so he has the +

The CTR I saw does not said anything about that, so I don't know

Nor the verse page says anything

Demon_Lord18 · Apr 21, 2024

Tatsumi504 said:
He can actually but what's the chance Arthur will actively use 5-A attacks is the question you should be asking. Asta could also just dodge

It depends, Chaos can attack even without Arthur wanting to

Demon_Lord18 · Apr 21, 2024

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
The CTR I saw does not said anything about that, so I don't know

Nor the verse page says anything

Have you even read the CRT?

New Combo Scaling

The Ultimate One Escanor already scales above Prime Demon King Zeldris, making him alone >378 exatons prior to Merlin's limit breaking spell. Even pretending all the other Sins didn't contribute, the number of Full Counters would bolster Escanor's attack to over 1.5 yottatons (aka Planet level+). Adding in everyone would increase this value to Large Planet level, albeit close to baseline.

Robo432343 · Apr 21, 2024

what Low 5-B value does DK scale to

Demon_Lord18 · Apr 21, 2024

Robo432343 said:
what Low 5-B value does DK scale to

DK 100%= 3,78 Zetatons

DK 50%= 1,89 Zetatons

Epsilon_R · Apr 21, 2024

Demon_Lord18 said:
Have you even read the CRT?

Could you give me the post number ?

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 21, 2024

Demon_Lord18 said:
Have you even read the CRT?

Yes, and I did

New 4KoA/7DS Revisions

AP Revisions The Ocean Calculation Unfortunately, Tarmiel's calculation is flawed because Aether and KLOL used 40 km for the radius instead of 20. The actual value is just under 2.6 teratons. But, we have another way to get a higher value. Behemoth/Demon King Scaling Behemoth has 5-C feats just...

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And the calc of the earthquake is accepted by only one person and then another said to use the low end of 33.7 exatons

speedster352 · Apr 21, 2024

Arthur is just too much for most characters because of chaos. Also Arthu is on the high 5a tier since he is physically high 5a. The problem with the demon king is that he can’t die as long as his commandments exist. And they are not magic just law based curses that can’t be interacted with without special powers. Also the demon kings can attack with nature and darkness so Asta anti magic won’t work. Also if this is DK Britannia beating him is extremely difficult since he is one with Britannia. Also if he avatar is damaged he can just reform and asta can’t counter that. Also Telekinesis can do the trick too.

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 21, 2024

speedster352 said:
Also Telekinesis can do the trick too.

Superior LS goes to Asta who can fly in black form/devil union

speedster352 said:
And they are not magic just law based curses that can’t be interacted with without special powers

Like antimagic?

speedster352 said:
nature and darkness so Asta anti magic won’t work

No idea

speedster352 said:
also if this is DK Britannia

Which is low 5-B, so is not counted

Majinere566 · Apr 21, 2024

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Yes, and I did

New 4KoA/7DS Revisions

AP Revisions The Ocean Calculation Unfortunately, Tarmiel's calculation is flawed because Aether and KLOL used 40 km for the radius instead of 20. The actual value is just under 2.6 teratons. But, we have another way to get a higher value. Behemoth/Demon King Scaling Behemoth has 5-C feats just...

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And the calc of the earthquake is accepted by only one person and then another said to use the low end of 33.7 exatons

It was accepted by Clover and Mx3 co signed Clover’s agreement?

speedster352 · Apr 21, 2024

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Superior LS goes to Asta who can fly in black form/devil union

Like antimagic?

No idea

Which is low 5-B, so is not counted

But what would anti magic do anyway cancel the curses? They would still exist after all Meliodas has npi and his attack including the sins couldn’t affect the commandments he has to use demon king magic to destroy the commandments. Natural attacks like lightning and darkness are non Magical so they would work just fine.

Phsccarvalho · Apr 21, 2024

Am I the only one who thinks the way the profiles look is confusing?

If where does Arthur's 5-C come from? In his profile it talks about Tristan and Meliodas, but Tristan has no profile and Meliodas is at most High 6-A in the profile, unless Arthur has some multiplier that is not listed.

Same thing for 5-A. The justification leads to Chaos, but Chaos is High 6-A.

EDIT: Wait, that changed to DK

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