Guacamolefletcher
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It's like the Sukuna vs Gojo agenda but worse here, because he's getting beat up and nearly died like 3 times, surviving through ******* luck basically
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Would using black flash be him holding back? Maki tanked two btw.
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Nah he is him trust me bro,definetly not using some asspulls and stuff
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It's really not. Sukuna at any point during this fight has had a way out if he ever needed it, and we have a literal statement confirming he's suppressing his cursed energy flow throughout the body (the thing which determines reinforcement output and cursed technique output), and we have feats to suggest that suppression is to a significant extent such as him perception blitzing Maki, Choso, and Yuji at moments. Not to mention Sukuna literally told Kashimo that his fulfilment in life is to taste the various flavours of humanity, and we've been told Sukuna was simply tasting the jujutsu of the fighters thusfar, meaning Sukuna wanted to push them to their limit so he can see what their full potential is - that's his literal purpose for living. Him doing so at his own expense makes perfect sense given it's the only reason he choses to keep on living to begin with.
He can't use black flash at will so I don't see why him using a black flash implies he's not holding back. Not to mention a black flash has no implications on one's suppression level, it's literally just a striking strength amp applied to however much cursed energy you're applying at the point of contact.
You're both also ignoring the other factors at play. Sukuna's brain damage nerf was so substantial his CE efficiency can no longer allow him to perform RCT (something 2F Sukuna can do - though I'm not saying this necessarily makes current Sukuna 2F level, just outlining the massive drop in efficiency), his reserves have more than halved to Yuta's level, his control over Megumi has dropped substantially and undone the progress he made through the bath (suggesting his control is at around 10%), he's lost several limbs and been impaled through the heart which reduced his ability to fight at full power, and has had a chunk of his cursed energy erased via Angel's cursed technique. There's a reason why Sukuna punched through Choso with base punches initially only for Choso to later survive a black flash punch, suppression isn't the only factor here.
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I must maintain the agenda at all costs.I'm feelin a little goofy
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Black Flash is an ability gained from trying harder though. No one just hits one holding back.
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Sukuna after getting decapitated by Maki if she just aimed up:
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Guacamolefletcher
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Yeah no literally the same shit but cooler. The level of plot induced stupidity just to save Megumi is ******* stupid. I’m ngl, put any of my friends vs the literal population of a country… I’m picking the country (or ******* whole world at that)
They have gotta be one of the dumbest main casts
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PIS in jjk reached its peak since chapter 36
Guacamolefletcher
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No? He killed Higuruma before he became Gojo level, unless the statement of “talent equal to Gojo” is using the kanji for “ability/talent” which means something you have at the moment, and they mean skill on Gojo’s level / ability to learn Jujutsu
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Have you never read a shonen before? One Piece, Naruto, Black Clover, Demon Slayer, My Hero Academia, etc. Like trying to save your friend from insane odds with insane risk isn't anything new. Nor is JJk particularly offensive in this measure.
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You’d pick a country of ******* monkeys with their inadequate, sub-human, fragile, smelly ugly bodies and weak mindset over your sorcerer brethren? You’re just like them. You can die with those monkeys then.
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Yeah but the thing is that whenever it's a real threat on Sukuna, the cast will suddenly try to take that risky move and when they fail, you have another character saying oh Sukuna isn't trying
It's annoying atm
Gojo was fighting to kill because he knew that when Yuji died before, Sukuna managed to come back, and yet he failed to kill Meguna and that was ******* Gojo
It's really arrogant and annoying move
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At this point I’d be fine with an asspull to kill Sukuna.
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literally never stated
That was explicitly a sneak attack so, idk how you think this demonstrates an instance of them pushing Sukuna into a corner via their own relativity to him
Sukuna acknowledged Higuruma for manipulating cursed energy with equal efficiency as Sukuna had during his fight with Gojo, saw the absolute peak of his cursed technique, and then pushed Higuruma to his max before killing him off, and even then Sukuna chastises himself and wonders if maybe he killed him too soon. This does not go against my point at all.
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Moreover, the plan was made before Sukuna got the keys to the merger and said he wanted to start it for fun, which requires him killing everyone, so initially the risk wasn't as high as it was
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The cast isn't really taking risky moves though. They're doing the best they can. Like Higurama with the executioner's sword, they don't know if they kills sukuna and leaves megumi alive but they accept either outcome clearly. Then when Yuji and Yuta do their whole soul thing, they're not just setting up to free megumi but actively lowering Sukuna's output and control therefore making it easier to kill him if needed. The only real risky thing is Maki going for Sukuna's heart and the thing is, she didn't get an update that Megumi isn't home at the moment so she's just sticking to the same plan as before.
None of this is them being stupid, no one is pulling their punches right now or taking risky moves besides the fact they're fighting Sukuna
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Dr. White approves this tier list. Stay tuned for pt.2.I'm feelin a little goofy
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Yuta arrived late when Sukuna's RCT output got better and he admitted that he shouldve stayed and hes just putting excuses and that Maki could've killed Kenjaku the way he did
If he jumped Sukuna with Higuruma and Yuji they would've probably succeeded
Maki got 2 chances to finish Sukuna but nah she chose to cut his hand off and stab his heart
And while it wasn't during this arc, but Hana also once did a stupid move just to save Megumi
Next Yuji will also do something like that and then the narrator will repeat the same "oh did you know that Sukuna isn't trying?" line again
Instead of writing stupid decisions for the good side, just make Sukuna win by going all out, at this point its really annoying
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So Yuta going to handle Kenjaku, the other big threat that's them taking a stupid risk? Okay
Again, heart stabbing, no one updated her on Megumi's status and taking a hit where you can get it isn't the same as taking a risk. She's just hurting him however she can and taking Sukuna's hand is a pretty good idea when the man has world cutting slashes so she isn't being dumb there either.
Yeah, Hana made a mistake. Whoop de do, she's a fallible human. People make mistakes, and that can have terrible consequences, it's almost like that's a consistent theme in JJK.
And at this point you're complaining about Sukuna being consistent in his characterization while also ignoring the story itself already making it clear he is ramping it back up. He's hit three blackflashes, that's not holding back at this point.
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What’s the current accepted black flash speed we have?
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Nah dude just wait Gege cooking (its been 20 chapters since Gojo died and Sukuna is regaining his rct and has hit three BF, several powerful sorcerers have been lost, they’ve now progressed to using super duper side characters, Sukuna has shown the ability to use rct on his soul, Yuji has rct and can’t do it properly, we still don’t know what Yuji’s arms are for, Maki’s become effectively useless)
But yeah Gege’s got something planned (Sukuna’s now the one doing the merger, something that’s been teased since early 200s and known since beginning of culling games, Kenjaku is dead, Megumi’s given up life, Yuji’s got soul damage punches now but Sukuna has: fire arrow, black flash, rct, cleave, dismantle, simple domain, hwb, world slash, strong dismantle, four arms, an extra mouth, and oh yeah Gege’s writing the manga and he LOVES Sukuna)
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I was curious since didn’t gojo say in the latest chapter if black flash was just the definition of “insert the definition given when Yuji said it cause I forgot” then he’d be able to use it at will
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Read the manga
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While we know for sure now that Gojo has no issue with meeting the condition of timing a black flash the implications that has for his speed hasn't been decided yet.
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Ah okay, but couldn’t we just calc the speed of black flash since there is a rule capping the speed of jjk characters at black flash speed, bit weird if there isn’t a number for it to cap at
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There is no calcing the speed of Bf. It’s performed in a certain timeframe but nothing is really done in that time. We could calc a feat had someone done something in the timeframe of bf
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That rule just got repealed
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nice attempt at an argument
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Yes because Yuta would've been much useful against Sukuna if he played a role in the excutioner sword plan
I mean idk why you would justify that when Yuta himself admitted that it was a mistake
He admitted that Maki could've dealt with Kenjaku, he shouldve stayed, the situation now is Sukuna's output is better and he's closer to get his domain was his fault
She should've just went straight to kill him, taking his hand isnt good enough when you could've just attacked his neck, the same with his heart, again they are trying to corner Sukuna in order to make him incapable of fighting to bring back Megumi,
And that's very risky, they were creating plans thinking how to save Megumi and how they will jump Sukuna when Gojo loses, but on the way they forgot that its the guy who might defeat Gojo himself
You're not getting the point, it's not just Hana, but also Yuta and Maki could've possibly killed Sukuna but chose to make other decisions that turned out to be wrong
I'm not? Sukuna not going all out isn't what I'm complaining about
I'm complaining about the way the good side are making stupid decisions and getting beaten up for that when they could've done better and could've pushed Sukuna far more than that, while the narrative is still repeating that Sukuna isn't interested/ trying just to hype him more
If they hadn't done so, Sukuna mightve already gone all out
He is still holding back though lol, just because he's doing bfs doesn't mean he is going all out, he still has alot more to use (he stopped using RCT, he still has the fire arrow and who knows what he is still hiding even Gege in the fanbook said sth.like his CT has at least 2 applications, so he might have more than the fire arrow)
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I did because after that he said "I'm just making excuses, I just wanted to kill Kenjaku myself"Idk if you purposely did this, but Yuta says why Maki wouldn’t have been good
So again, he did that not because "well Maki can't do the job" but because he wanted to be the one to kill Kenjaku, he was putting excuses to justify this
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Excuses can still be valid you understand that right? He obviously feels regretful but what he said still holds true. Maki’s only one person with two arms and a sword, if millions of curses were released she wouldn’t be capable of dealing with them all to prevent civilians from dying like Rika can.
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Yuta is the type of person who blames himself whenever something goes wrong, of course he thinks he's at fault for Higurama's death. However he also mentions how Maki would've struggled with all of those released curse spirits. You know the very next page after that first one you posted, the one you left out for some reason. It's like defeating Kenjaku and Sukuna is a multi-facited problem for a number of reasons which doesn't have easy solutions to it no matter what they group chooses to do.Yes because Yuta would've been much useful against Sukuna if he played a role in the excutioner sword plan
I mean idk why you would justify that when Yuta himself admitted that it was a mistake
He admitted that Maki could've dealt with Kenjaku, he shouldve stayed, the situation now is Sukuna's output is better and he's closer to get was his fault
They didn't forget that at all, they just want to save Megumi regardless whether or not Gojo loses. They don't want to kill Megumi, that's not them suffering from PIS that's them not wanting to kill a friend. Not to mention, that everything they've done so far isn't just helping in saving Megumi but also in weakening Sukuna. It's not like they're not doing all they can to stack the deck in their favor, by delimbing him, attempting to remove his curse techinque and removing his curse tool, and lowering his CE output by messing with his soul bond and forcing him to heal. This isn't being riskyShe should've just went straight to kill him, taking his hand isnt good enough when you could've just attacked his neck, the same with his heart, again they are trying to corner Sukuna in order to make him incapable of fighting to bring back Megumi,
And that's very risky, they were creating plans thinking how to save Megumi and how they will jump Sukuna when Gojo loses, but on the way they forgot that its the guy who might defeat Gojo himself
And you seem to not get the point that of the three so far, only Hana was really making decisions which was just a wrong one. Yuta removed Kenjaku from the field, who was an active threat to everyone but Sukuna in the culling games that's not the wrong decision in any capacity. Maki stabbing Sukuna through the heart is still debilitating him right now and taken away his ability to do the World Cutting Slash that has had everyone worried. Sure she hasn't killed him, but killing Sukuna isn't any task for any of them.
You clearly aren't paying attention if you think they're making "stupid decisions".
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I don't think it's stupid or "plot induced stupidity" or bad writing for a group of people to desire so intensely to save their friend, especially when the story has always had such a strong emphasis and explorations into the humanity of others, love and its many forms, and how relationships shape people - especially for our main character Yuji. This fight perfectly encapsulates the malicious greed of Sukuna contrasting with the unbreakable selflessness of Yuji, anyone who can't see that and just sees the powerscaling aspects never really understood these characters.
