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Ignoring that plenty of other characters can use the Chaos Emeralds.Yes it is perfectly fair, specially considering that his plan involved him taking out sonic and shadow first, if he conquered the world, then no one would be able to loom for them
Him saying the hax was powerful does not mean it’s the only reason he sought after it, especially when the Ruby is way above Low 2-C.Also, again, you seeing things this way really doesn't matter for the way Eggman saw it, specially when it is made clear what he is referencing there
This is after Eggman had already gotten his hands on a power superior to the Chaos Emeralds, and still lost, him being overconfident makes no sense. He is still a 300 IQ genius, he can have basic common sense.That is what we call a character flaw, he has no reason, but he still is, arguing what you found logical doesn't matter for Eggman's character
Hax would not stop Infinite from being destroyed by Super Sonic if he was just a Low 2-C, plus the Precioustone is referenced in the Forces era so it was clearly on the developer’s minds to some extent when making comparisons with the Ruby’s power.Hax, hax makes strenght irrelevant as it is noted in our page for it
Yes, it boosts power, that’s what I’m trying to say. And the fact that it boosts power, combined with Eggman saying the ME was unnecessary with the Ruby, indicates that the Ruby is not completely outclassed in power by the ME.Non sequitur, the ruby being focused by eggman on hax doesn't mean that it also doesn't boost power
Their special forms are weaker and corrupted compared to their base forms, they were power nulled to some extent, it doesn't make sense for them to have better stats. And an energy barrier being hax is something that doesn’t apply to almost any other verse.energy shield = hax, sonic as a verse doesn't even have an energy all characters have like dragon ball, tell me, what "energy" are they giving here exactly? And would this "energy" be am UES for it to scale to them physically? More over, wouldn't this "energy" only apply to the special form they were in instead of their normal selves?
How is it baseless, there is a direct parallel between the End refueling Supreme and the characters repairing Sage’s shield.One has nothing to do with the other, i will not even bother to say anything more on this baseless comparison
Sage is never established as using separate energy reserves for attacking and defending, all of her abilities and attacks use the same red cyber energy, it’s just logical they use the same energy source.I want you to prove all that you have just said, that it is an UES, that it is what she is using to make the shield, that it is the energy she uses to attack
I think you need to prove they are separate energy systems, because nothing in the game indicates they are. Sage doesn’t say “oh I’m pulling from my defensive or offensive energy right now.”As above, prove this, because right now, you are guessing and not showing evidence
For the Void point, me saying Sonic harmed an enemy was referring to Infinite, who Sonic physically matched, and Infinite having the hype statements putting him above Void.
That doesn’t make sense, dreams don’t have to exist in Maginaryworld to be real worlds as shown by Sleeping Egg, and Cyberspace is a world that physically creates new terrain based on memories and dreams, so there is just as much reason for the Ancient dreams to be real worlds within Cyberspace.You said it yourself, that is scaling and not a feat of his own, besides, the dream of the ancients as universes exist in MW, we don't accept currently as both being the same, this mucj was said by shake and me when we made the conceptual thread
Night Palace’s astral plane should absolutely be a universe, it has a universal cosmology when Sonic transitions into the world through the purple portals, said portals coming from a corridor referred to as infinite in the strategy guide.Unless all of those "world" are universes, this is low 2-C, as the page currently accepts it
I admittedly can’t prove it just yet. But the idea there is countless amounts of matter in the Sonic universe, and that led to a multiverse from a single universe, makes it possible the multiverse in this context is countless.Can you at least try to use anything but assumptions? Prove this number of shatterverses, all we know currently is of 5, so it is 5, anything demands you to show proof.
The characters are applying their own power to the shield to repair it and keep it active against multiple Supreme attacks, making something more durable and having that durability hold up against multiple attacks isn’t a hax, it’s just transferring your power to something else.Strawman, i haven't said they didn't, they did, however you are arguing that they contributed in a way that would scale to them in AP, which is what you need to prove
If they made a shield that could keep up with Sage’s, that’s also a durability feat for them, even though we’re not given any indication of that. All we see is the existing shield being repaired and strengthened by the presence of these other characters.Or they just made their own shield to overlap and aid sage, you know, the SIMPLER ANSWER?
Some kind of cyber energy, at the very least their cyber power was comparable to Sage’s normal power, which applies to the non-cyberspace world.and what "energy" would that be? And why would it scale to them physically?
The health of the shield is boosted back to maximum in the same way the health of Supreme is pushed back to the maximum, there’s no difference from what can be gleaned by gameplay.Again a worthless comparison, now you need to prove that they are refiling in the same way
And? The story doesn’t care if Super Sonic is infinitely stronger, otherwise Sage should not be holding up this barrier to block The End at all, the story is establishing that Sage and the other Base characters can stand up to The End to some capacity, presumably through friendship or willpower, so they downscale.Besides, you keep ignoring this
FRONTIERS SHOWS THAT THE GAP BETWEEN SUPER AND BASE FORMS STAYS THE SAME AS THEY GROW IN POWER, SO A SUPER FORM WOULD STILL BE INFINITIES STRONGER THAN ANY BASE CHAR, so the only way for them to block an attack from someone like that is of they SCALE DIRECTLY
I never said he scales above the Master Emerald, I said Infinite is powerful enough that the Master Emerald is not needed when considering the Ruby’s combination of power and hax, which wouldn’t make sense if the ME was infinitely stronger. Being in the ballpark of the ME would make Infinite the strongest enemy of Sonic, if going with the interpretation he’s flat out the strongest.You are scaling him above the ME, aka FAR ABOVE any super sonic tiers up until now