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Do you still agree Dreamy Luigi, Antasma, and dream worlds can be Low 2-C, though?I asked did it ever effect all the Dreams at once and the conversation swerved from there.
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Do you still agree Dreamy Luigi, Antasma, and dream worlds can be Low 2-C, though?I asked did it ever effect all the Dreams at once and the conversation swerved from there.
Do you still agree Dreamy Luigi, Antasma, and dream worlds can be Low 2-C, though?
He is asking to repeat your points regarding Low 2-C/2-B extents.I asked did it ever effect all the Dreams at once and the conversation swerved from there.
Well, think of it this way...He is asking to repeat your points regarding Low 2-C/2-B extents.
Damn that's nice! It's some nice deductions right there!Well, think of it this way...
The Dream Stone has existed for, at least, an entire era, and it's stated by everyone in Dream Team, the prosperity of the Pi'illo Kingdom dated back to an entire era ago. According to the Geological Time Scale, an era would be 100,000,000 years ago, and since there are dozens of innumerable species on Pi'illo Isle, including Nommon, Hooskis, countless monsters, guardians such as Mammoshka and Zeekeeper, the Pi'illos, etc.
Let's assume the smallest island population, which is 100,000. It is shown dozens of times throughout the game--what with Big Massif, Dr. Snoozemore, Mammoshka, etc. that the characters fall asleep numerous times a day due to Pi'illo Island's strange sleepy wavelength. We'll use as many low-ends as possible. 100,000 x 365.25 = 36,525,000. Because people dream 4 to 7 times a night--and people on Pi'illo Isle dream multiple times, we'll use the low-end and assume they all sleep twice. 36,525,000 x 8 = 292,200,000. Finally... 292,200,000 x 100,000,000 = 29,220,000,000,000,000 dreams/universes that are in the Dream Stone.
Era in most definitions does not mean 100,000,000 yearsWell, think of it this way...
The Dream Stone has existed for, at least, an entire era, and it's stated by everyone in Dream Team, the prosperity of the Pi'illo Kingdom dated back to an entire era ago. According to the Geological Time Scale, an era would be 100,000,000 years ago, and since there are dozens of innumerable species on Pi'illo Isle, including Nommon, Hooskis, countless monsters, guardians such as Mammoshka and Zeekeeper, the Pi'illos, etc.
Let's assume the smallest island population, which is 100,000. It is shown dozens of times throughout the game--what with Big Massif, Dr. Snoozemore, Mammoshka, etc. that the characters fall asleep numerous times a day due to Pi'illo Island's strange sleepy wavelength. We'll use as many low-ends as possible. 100,000 x 365.25 = 36,525,000. Because people dream 4 to 7 times a night--and people on Pi'illo Isle dream multiple times, we'll use the low-end and assume they all sleep twice. 36,525,000 x 8 = 292,200,000. Finally... 292,200,000 x 100,000,000 = 29,220,000,000,000,000 dreams/universes that are in the Dream Stone.
ExactlyNot sure about the “eras” part but it’d still be 2-B, just to a lower degree
We just need some more staff votes.Vote counted.
Did I miss any so far?
Agree with this.still be 2-B, just to a lower degree
Shmeaty's not asking for how long the Pi'illos have existed, he's asking for the lifespan of an average Pi'illo folk. Like, how long does an average Pi'illo live forIirc it's implied that they are pretty old.
Not sure how old, but new settlers migrated to the island and began excavating ancient relics of the race, which should tell us it's been a pretty long time.
Perhaps there's a statement in-game of how long people have been researching the Pi'illos. Or maybe there's a real-world timeframe for how long it has to be before something is considered an ancient relic.
Idk where he got at least 52 from, we have a calculated value that comes out to 292,200,000 universesAssuming that each dream is accepted as Low 2-C, then the whole Stone would be 2-C, no?
This is just incorrect, because the number of Pi'illo in nightmare chunks is not indicative of the number of dreams the Dream Stone holds, nor should it be used as some sort of arbitrary "lowball"52 was the number of Pi’illo trapped in nightmare chunks, aka the result of the Dark Stone shattering.
You can calc the number of dreams that could theoretically be in the dream stone but a major plot point is that the stone loses power and has to be recharged by the Dreambeats, so you can only really look at how many dreams are present during the game
First off: Why not?I agree, but the numbers calculating how many dreams exist across decades is also sort of irrelevant, since the stone doesn’t have the power of those dreams within when Bowser absorbed it.
He matched the Stone with only the number of dreams gotten from the game’s events (aka the dreams collected in the Dreambeats scene)First off: Why not?
Second: That doesn't matter since the Zeekeeper matched the Dream Stone's power
How do you know how much it was drained? Why does the energy of 1 Dreambeat = only 1 universe? Hell, I hardly know where you're getting this from, given that Antasma and Bowser literally have the Dream Stone in their possession for most of the gameThe fact the stone was drained of its power, and a plot point is that they have to charge the stone with dream energy from the Dreambeats before they can use it?
Bowser and Antasma literally use the Dream Stone to wish for Neo Bowser Castle, including the barrier around it, so it's definitely regained its power by then since wishes can be made. The Zeekeeper then destroys this barrier with the WakebeamThe Dreambeats aren’t powering the stone, they put the island to sleep so their dreams can be harvested and put in the stone. The story goes they get the stone in Dozing Sands, realize they can’t make wishes due to lacking power, and thus plan to harvest dreams from Pi’illo Island to recharge the stone by putting the island to sleep.
Could you explain how you got this? I'd like to know the processI counted myself and the number of dreams the stone would absorb in the present is enough for 2-B, just only in the double digit thousands at most (less than 30K even when counting all dream world enemies).
I suppose that works. Could also be easier to just look for an average island's population. A quick search on Wikipedia shows that the smallest island by population is Yeongjongdo at 100,000 people. I may prefer this simply because by counting all the NPCs you may miss out on some characters that are perhaps not explicit NPCs, but like part of a crowd for example.Went through the game and counted every unique NPC and enemy that could feasibly exist when the Dreambeats started.