Dragonite007
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They don't have Low 2-C in his second key so he don't qualifityMainly due to the explanation of its ability in AC, it should keep the rating in EC due to not focusing on destruction.
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They don't have Low 2-C in his second key so he don't qualifityMainly due to the explanation of its ability in AC, it should keep the rating in EC due to not focusing on destruction.
Well it should because it wouldn't make sense due to EC additions, If it did have a Low 2-C key then who on the list would compare to what 3930 does?They don't have Low 2-C in his second key so he don't qualifity
Unknown (SCP-2470's abilities do not focus on destruction)Well it should because it wouldn't make sense due to EC additions, If it did have a Low 2-C key then who on the list would compare to what 3930 does?
You kind of ignored what I've said about the rating, erasure ≠ destruction, hence it should keep the Low 2-C rating but it isn't there for some reason.Unknown (SCP-2470's abilities do not focus on destruction)
He don't have a Low 2-C rate and the profile said his abilitie don't focus in destruction
Erasure and destruction are synonymsYou kind of ignored what I've said about the rating, erasure ≠ destruction, hence it should keep the Low 2-C rating but it isn't there for some reason.
Destruction is when you end the existence of something or someone by damaging or attacking it. Remember that it “ENDS” the existence of something that exists so before ending the existence of the target, it still exists but after the damage is done the object ceases.Erasure and destruction are synonyms
you can twist the words however you want it won't change that this doesn't have Low 2-C.Destruction is when you end the existence of something or someone by damaging or attacking it. Remember that it “ENDS” the existence of something that exists so before ending the existence of the target, it still exists but after the damage is done the object ceases.
Erasure on the other hand is not just ending the existence but when used, there is no ”NEED” for ending the existence of something or someone because when used, the target never even existed in the first place because it induces Non-Being=Nonexistence.
Only Destruction and Obliteration are synonyms
So no argument to counter it, plus again ignoring the reasoning of why it wouldn't make sense for the rating to not be added to EC, Giygas is unimaginably affected on a level that compares to a huge NEP scaling chain that rivals Sun Wukong.you can twist the words however you want it won't change that this doesn't have Low 2-C.
And even if it did, it wouldn't go past the 7th spot
Only for the first key, if you were to read the other comments here.Kirinator it doesn't qualify for the list either way because it isn't physically that tier, full stop
I don't need to make a argument, because this is the profile's word vs yours words.So no argument to counter it, plus again ignoring the reasoning of why it wouldn't make sense for the rating to not be added to EC, Giygas is unimaginably affected on a level that compares to a huge NEP scaling chain that rivals Sun Wukong.
What you said doesn't make sense hereI don't need to make a argument, because this is the profile's word vs yours words.
And they can't defeat Giygas because they don't have range to do it
Immeasurable (Able to partially intersect with SCP-3930)
They don't qualify in their first key and in the secondOnly for the first key, if you were to read the other comments here.
It isn't in either, it physically has to be in Low 2-C, which is not the case at allOnly for the first key, if you were to read the other comments here.
What the profile say > what you sayWhat you said doesn't make sense here
Checking other threads involving some of its capabilities says otherwise.What the profile say > what you say
It is illogical to assume since 3930's profile states that its omnipresent beyond the scope of existence, yet it affected it.Immesurable is not a range, so continue can't affect Giygas
Idc, they range is just 200m, so can't affect GiygasIt is illogical to assume since 3930's profile states that its omnipresent beyond the scope of existence, yet it affected it.
So you disregard the blatant claim that it has that range to do so?Idc, they range is just 200m, so can't affect Giygas
You are straight up lying about how that works, the phenomena known as 3930 literally only extends to 200m, what 2470 affected is that phenomenon, not the true scope of it, hell the ******* fact you are attempting to cross scale 2470 to the kaktusverse 3930, which is a whole ass can of wormsIt is illogical to assume since 3930's profile states that its omnipresent beyond the scope of existence, yet it affected it.
Let me ask you a question, what constitutes a non-smurf? Is the dimensional difference being disregarded in spite of the tier?You are straight up lying about how that works, the phenomena known as 3930 literally only extends to 200m, what 2470 affected is that phenomenon, not the true scope of it, hell the ******* fact you are attempting to cross scale 2470 to the kaktusverse 3930, which is a whole ass can of worms
That's just... not true lol.Also, she passively destroys the world by draining it which is expressly shown in the AP section multiple times, along with the fact that the seals were to stop her from draining the world.
The page says nothing about that distinction regarding Concept Manip, though.Causality is included in Fate in-verse, in addition to already resisting it, law manip and concept manip is resisted as well, I was pointing it out to mention how deleting the universe won't do anything to them
CM1 is only excluded when it comes to Essence, which is 1-A, but domains that are still CM1 are included and resisted, this includes domains that straight up erase people, on the issue of causality, Wang Lin had domains based upon Karma and Life and Death, both of which involve causality, hell Infinity Destroyer is literally the latter, Wang Lin has used his domain before to straight up bring stuff to their end. Will cover AP issues below
Which is still not really impressive for Medea, who scales to her own durability to an extent, which can take countless blows from Rapthalia, who has AP comparable to Medea's casual attacks, which are stronger than what she does by merely existing, which destroys a universe reinforced by fusing 8 universes together.Yes and Ecang scales to or above people who would oneshot those people who could destroy the universe with a thought.
Except in this case the fusing of two universes explicitly makes the resulting universe more durable, so each fusion is an above baseline by the same logic that casually destroying a universe or oneshotting someone baseline is.DT you know as well as I do that stacking 8 spacetimes is not that impressive since infinity*8= is still infinity, there is still only an R number of 3D snapshots. That is not that impressive as an AP feat
No. No she doesn't do so via draining. Her AP section literally says nothing about draining so I don't know where you get that from.Also, she passively destroys the world by draining it which is expressly shown in the AP section multiple times, along with the fact that the seals were to stop her from draining the world.
seems correctActually Veldora can incon with 4th & 5th spot, because his range only Universal+ and anyone in 4th & 5th spot outrange him. And also anyone in 4th & 5th can't deal with Veldora Immortality (Type 9) which is reside on the Rimuru Imaginary Space, so yeah need 2-A range to deal with it. Speaking technically, Medea also can incon with 3rd and 4th, but because she incon with Mori first, so she get in 5th spot alongside with Mori.
So to be fair, why not put Veldora in 5th alongside Mori and Medea.
What do you think @Dragonite007 ?
Tbh im kinda confused with this coditionseems correct
Do you think I'm not confused too?Tbh im kinda confused with this codition
Yeah right, there are rules in non smurf thread about this condition if there characters actually can incon with any spot such as 1st or 2nd or 3rd spot?Do you think I'm not confused too?
Veldora and Medea are a strange case
I don't think there a rule for thisYeah right, there are rules in non smurf thread about this condition if there characters actually can incon with any spot such as 1st or 2nd or 3rd spot?
That is because the implication is that since the third step section mentions CM1 to the degree of essence, the CM1 being excluded is that of Essence level concept manip, in addition to domains previously having been type 2(old type 3) and ecang still only mentioning not having CM1.The page says nothing about that distinction regarding Concept Manip, though.
What causality is concerned... any evidence of that? I don't see why Karma or Life and Death would qualify as causality, nor why fate would. (I mean, SH causality manip isn't just "your destined to xy", it's just straight up reality warping to make whatever they want happen immediately) Medea's attacks aren't just Death Manip based casuality, they straight up destroy causality in and of itself as a neat little side effect.
Also, and that's relevant as well, is resistance immunity here? At this level in particular? Because if this stuff does any damage at all, Medea can just pile it on even if it doesn't oneshot.
I mean Ecang itself does just scale above the whole entry-level 3rd step cultivators being able to laugh away quasi 3rd steps, given he scales to the golden exalt level, of which there is, many a gap between since each stage has 4 parts, early, mid, late, great circle/peak, the difference between them at this level being to such a point that one above can stomp the one below them, and only gets larger as one rises up the stages, and Ecang scales to the 5th stageWhich is still not really impressive for Medea, who scales to her own durability to an extent, which can take countless blows from Rapthalia, who has AP comparable to Medea's casual attacks, which are stronger than what she does by merely existing, which destroys a universe reinforced by fusing 8 universes together.
It would be unquantifiably greater yesExcept in this case the fusing of two universes explicitly makes the resulting universe more durable, so each fusion is an above baseline by the same logic that casually destroying a universe or oneshotting someone baseline is.
Your entire feats section literally says she mostly passively destroys the universe by draining it, yes she can actively destroy it, but that is far different than being able to destroy it passivelyNo. No she doesn't do so via draining. Her AP section literally says nothing about draining so I don't know where you get that from.
This is the part of the feat section we're referring to.Your entire feats section literally says she mostly passively destroys the universe by draining it, yes she can actively destroy it, but that is far different than being able to destroy it passively
^This is what we're talking about.“That’s right. Let’s compare this all to a paper. You can place a light stone on it, right? But what about if the stone were heavier? You’ll need a paper thick enough to support it. The paper is the world, and the stone, god. No, it’s probably completely different, but I guess if she just came down as she pleased, there would be terrible aftereffects.”
A paper and a stone…
After the world assimilation started, the monsters levels all rose drastically.
The paper’s capacity wasn’t high enough, so it spiked its level?
The world has its own width, and a set amount of weight it can carry.
She gets it just big enough to sustain her before coming down.
I guess there’s some sense to it.
„~ Chapter 362
Ah, aight thenThis is the part of the feat section we're referring to.
^This is what we're talking about.
Does anyone out there know Destiny, otherwise I think I should make a match.The ones higher up on the list are the ones that can't be killed or interacted with right?
Are there any people in Destiny who can kill Dracula? You know, Dracula has passive Plot Manipulation that sort of prevents him from losing.
If someone from Destiny doesn't have resistance to this, everything that enters Dracula's range is rewritten, and it gets even worse if Destiny characters are within Dracula's range.
I think this guys are the strongestDoes anyone out there know Destiny, otherwise I think I should make a match.
They can't kill him but Drac can actually do anything to them so he gets a lower spot on the listThe ones higher up on the list are the ones that can't be killed or interacted with right?
Are there any people in Destiny who can kill Dracula? You know, Dracula has passive Plot Manipulation that sort of prevents him from losing.
If someone from Destiny doesn't have resistance to this, everything that enters Dracula's range is rewritten, and it gets even worse if Destiny characters are within Dracula's range.
We don't give a character a spot if they can only incon with someone due to a form of incorporeality and stuff like that. Aka, if the character is only going to get that spot because the person doesn't have the range/npi to interact with them and the character can't do a damn thing to the person they are trying to share the spot with, they don't get the spot.Actually Veldora can incon with 4th & 5th spot, because his range only Universal+ and anyone in 4th & 5th spot outrange him. And also anyone in 4th & 5th can't deal with Veldora Immortality (Type 9) which is reside on the Rimuru Imaginary Space, so yeah need 2-A range to deal with it. Speaking technically, Medea also can incon with 3rd and 4th, but because she incon with Mori first, so she get in 5th spot alongside with Mori.
It can affect them significantly. If they were within Dracula's reach.They can't kill him but Drac can actually do anything to them so he gets a lower spot on the list
Yeah but even if the plot hax affects them it doesnt change the fact that they straight-up resist the rest of Dracula's kit to the point where his only option would be an inconIt can affect them significantly. If they were within Dracula's reach.
But it looks like they have Multiversal range and type 9 immortality, so I guess it's something similar to rimuru? Then it would be stalemate.