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The Death of NEP Type 2

Anos and Graham are already included, so I can't think of others for now :'(
 
I already thought ahead and added some of the ones I already knew, I'll need to expand the Chaos Gods though to the individual gods
 
NEP type 2 is about lacking certain structures which we assume exist at every level of reality (see:transduality or just our general standards on hax) so any character at a higher level of reality should be able to affect a character with NEP at a lower one.
 
I asked someone this question and they gave a different answer so which is it though? I thought that NEP 2 simply can't be interacted with regardless of your level of existence? I'll need to ask a more knowledgeable member about this.
 
Tago238 said:
NEP type 2 is about lacking certain structures which we assume exist at every level of reality (see:transduality or just our general standards on hax) so any character at a higher level of reality should be able to affect a character with NEP at a lower one.
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Except that Yog 1-A cant affect it
 
Naitodesu said:
I asked someone this question and they gave a different answer so which is it though? I thought that NEP 2 simply can't be interacted with regardless of your level of existence? I'll need to ask a more knowledgeable member about this.
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depends, apparently current beyond dimensional existence works like that

"Type 0: Entities whose nature is defined by a lack of the concepts of space and time entirely, normally by preceding both of those constants, and as a result being untied from their effects and consequences, without necessarily exceeding them by virtue of size or some inherently superior nature. As a result, this category does not necessarily imply greater Attack Potency and most often overlaps with Acausality, Resistance to Space-Time Manipulation, Nonexistent Physiology, or all of the above."

if other types are above type 0, then Yog have resistance to NEP, thechnically.

However, NEP Type 2 currently works on every reallity, expect beyon dimensionality type 0 and up
 
"I asked someone this question and they gave a different answer so which is it though? I thought that NEP 2 simply can't be interacted with regardless of your level of existence? I'll need to ask a more knowledgeable member about this."
Rude but okay.

"Except that Yog 1-A cant affect it"
Great argument, "you're wrong because the thing you are arguing against is the case".
 
My argument was that at his level of existence (and maybe considering his hax but ignore this point if you want to respond to me, I'll probably bring it up later) he should be able to affect characters with NEP type 2 at a lower one. Just read my original comment, what the **** is going on?
 
manu_zarri said:
he probably meant Beyond dimensionality type 2 being above type 1 and type 1 is above type 0 which currently resist NEP
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I mean, resisting NEP doesnt means that can affect it, I guess?
manu_zarri said:
or just the argument of "Im above your layer, you can't do nothing"
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if this is the case, this is redundant, because the point is not NEP 2 dudes affecting 1-A Yog, but 1-A yog not affecting them
Tago238 said:
My argument was that at his level of existence (and maybe considering his hax but ignore this point if you want to respond to me, I'll probably bring it up later) he should be able to affect characters with NEP type 2 at a lower one. Just read my original comment, what the **** is going on?
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Prove that he can affect, dude, having a 1-A level of existence doesnt means that u can affect it
 
Bernkastelll said:
I mean, resisting NEP doesnt means that can affect it, I guess?
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it would make no sense for you to resist NEP but you would not be able to influence them.they will only have misspelled, but NEP type 2 is no problem for type 0
Bernkastelll said:
if this is the case, this is redundant, because the point is not NEP 2 dudes affecting 1-A Yog, but 1-A yog not affecting them
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Indeed, that's his argument tho
 
"Indeed, that's his argument tho"
My argument is that he can affect those characters by virtue of his level of existence.

"Prove that he can affect, dude, having a 1-A level of existence doesnt means that u can affect it"
This is pissing me off, my proof is in my first comment, I'm arguing from an issue of VBW standards here. Please for the love of god respond to my argument there.
 
Tago238 said:
"Prove that he can affect, dude, having a 1-A level of existence doesnt means that u can affect it"
This is pissing me off, my proof is in my first comment, I'm arguing from an issue of VBW standards here. Please for the love of god respond to my argument there.
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Being on a 1-A level of existence is not enough to affect NEP 2, even by VSBW standards, unless Yog has feats or can affect transduality type 3 on his 1-A key
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Wait really? Oof
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In vsbw standards: NEP Type 2 isn't simply lacking of physical, but even of the concept, if 1 is existence, and 0 non-existence you are non of them, nothing can describe you. so since 1-A contrary to popular beliefs from outside the wiki, it's just a physican extensions of Low 1-A, which is a extensions of High 1-B, which is just physically infinite compared to other Dimensions. the point is 1-A is still something physical, otherwise NEP type 2 can't be described even by concept, which are the great abstract and deeper aspect of reallity. though, this should also apply to mind manipulation and soul manipulation, or just meta-physical things.
 
"That's what i meant"
Then it's not redundant and "Bernkastelll"'s argument wasn't right, mate.

"Being on a 1-A level of existence is not enough to affect NEP 2, even by VSBW standards, unless Yog has feats or can affect transduality type 3 on his 1-A key"
You are making an assertion without a justification, again. What the ****. Read my first post, process my arguments in favour of what I believe VBW's standards to be, respond accordingly. Please.
 
Planck69 said:
Erm, the Ultimate Gods have NEP Type 2 themselves though, so I'm not sure what the point of this thread is if the characters listed just incon Hypnos.
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The point of this thread is so people can say "hardee har my character incons one who is super dupah stronk becuz of NEP". The point of Yog in his "The Ancient Ones" key not having NEP type 2 is correct, however.
 
Tago238 said:
The point of this thread is so people can say "hardee har my character incons one who is super dupah stronk becuz of NEP". The point of Yog in his "The Ancient Ones" key not having NEP type 2 is correct, however.
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I see.

Just to clarify, you say that at a higher level of existence, beings can interact with those with NEP Type 2 at lower levels. Could you explain this to me? I'm under the impression that simply existing at a higher plane doesn't mean one can interact with conceptual nothingness at a lower one.
 
Well this is a worthy place to discuss the limits of NEP type 2 since this seems to be a more controversial topic than I thought
 
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