General DC Comics Discussion Thread

[PRIDEXEGO]

Superman Animated series Darksied

 

[Antvasima]

I... i just think he's cool

It's nothing that deep

Okay. My apologies then.

 

[Wirtzwest]

Reading God speaks and l have seen where Dematteis gets inspiration for his characters.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

 

[Frankky123]

Its WFs son Subjective reality warping Frankie

And the whole archive stuff is just multiversal

Earth 0 is referred as a form and the archive of worlds are the shadow, character from archive of worlds views inhabitants of earth 0 as a giant. There is a qualitative superiority between these two, given that the world archive is a film strip containing every frame of lower space over time from the perspective of Earth 0 humans. The question is, do we consider the archive of worlds are lower dimension? If so, then it doesn't qualify for tier 2. But if we consider the archive of worlds to be 4D or tier 2, that means Batman is 5D. Right?

 

[Frankky123]

Its WFs son Subjective reality warping Frankie

And the whole archive stuff is just multiversal

Yo kirby, i found out darkseid is 1-A because of this plato stuff. Does this mean 1 universe is 1-A or what?
earth 0 is reality behind all realities
the supersedes reality, a form that creates shadow
all realities in archive worlds are just a cheap derivation of supersedes reality.
"working with these superseding version"
earth 0 is the superseded iterasion
archive world inhabitants views supersedes reality as bigger version
This mean darkseid is the bigger plato

 

[KirbyFan03]

Yo kirby, i found out darkseid is 1-A because of this plato stuff. Does this mean 1 universe is 1-A or what?
earth 0 is reality behind all realities
the supersedes reality, a form that creates shadow
all realities in archive worlds are just a cheap derivation of supersedes reality.
"working with these superseding version"
earth 0 is the superseded iterasion
archive of world inhabitants views supersedes reality as bigger version
This mean darkseid is the bigger plato

Idk

Earth 0 is fundamental yes

But the sphere has blatant platonic stuff

 

[Frankky123]

Idk

Earth 0 is fundamental yes

But the sphere has blatant platonic stuff

1-A base batman would be crazy.

I think we should ask staff about these platonic stuff

 

[KirbyFan03]

1-A base batman would be crazy.

I think we should ask staff about these platonic stuff

You'd be shot in

Your gums and your bums

Don't try wanking Franky they'd cut your ding-a-ling off

 

[Frankky123]

You'd be shot in

Your gums and your bums

Don't try wanking Franky they'd cut your ding-a-ling off

Im just asking how we treat the qualitative superiority in archive worlds arc

 

[Wirtzwest]

1-A base batman would be crazy.

I think we should ask staff about these platonic stuff

I will support the agenda.

 

[Wirtzwest]

Yo kirby, i found out darkseid is 1-A because of this plato stuff. Does this mean 1 universe is 1-A or what?
earth 0 is reality behind all realities
the supersedes reality, a form that creates shadow
all realities in archive worlds are just a cheap derivation of supersedes reality.
"working with these superseding version"
earth 0 is the superseded iterasion
archive world inhabitants views supersedes reality as bigger version
This mean darkseid is the bigger plato

This info is important for the ongoing DC thread done by @Elizio33

 

[Wirtzwest]

This info is important for the ongoing DC thread done by @Elizio33

@Frankky123 who wrote the comic?

 

[Frankky123]

@Frankky123 who wrote the comic?

Dont know, its batman/superman 2019 #17-#22. Its already in Superman profle, im just asking how we scale the qualitative superiority

 

[Frankky123]

This info is important for the ongoing DC thread done by @Elizio33

What thread

 

[Wirtzwest]

What thread

DC Comics Cosmology Revision: Refining the Orrery, Speed Force, Timestream, and the Bleed

Introduction Hello everyone ! 👋🏽 The purpose of this thread is to formally update and add new material to the lower-to-mid layers of the DC Cosmology blog. This proposal aims to refine the tiering of the Orrery of Worlds, the Timestream, the Speed Force Wall, and the Bleed. Additionally, this...

vsbattles.com

 

[Frankky123]

DC Comics Cosmology Revision: Refining the Orrery, Speed Force, Timestream, and the Bleed

Introduction Hello everyone ! 👋🏽 The purpose of this thread is to formally update and add new material to the lower-to-mid layers of the DC Cosmology blog. This proposal aims to refine the tiering of the Orrery of Worlds, the Timestream, the Speed Force Wall, and the Bleed. Additionally, this...

vsbattles.com

Im not in laptop rn, my phone cant copy my comment with the scan attached, i need to reattach those 6 links 1by1.

 

[Wirtzwest]

Im not in laptop rn, my phone cant copy my comment with the scan attached, i need to reattach those 6 links 1by1.

Lemme try something

 

[KirbyFan03]

Holy larp

 

[Frankky123]

You can copy it

Lemme try something

 

[Frankky123]

Holy larp

Im just asking

 

[Wirtzwest]

You can copy it

It's in the other thread as link. I do not have my PC now

 

[KirbyFan03]

Im just asking

Well then I suggest you ask the cosmological experts instead of slapping a tier on it

 

[KirbyFan03]

My opinions.

Sphere should be baseline High 1-A with stuff like CM1, IM2, plot hax, law manip, chaos manip, non duality type 2 at peak realms

 

[PromptedElephant641]

It should be more than clear that obviously Earth-0 or any other regular universe does not quality for a 1A rating from what is shown in Batman / Superman. While terminology that makes an allusion to the allegory of the cave is used, this is not nearly enough evidence to provide a 1A rating as the worlds do not even obey the consistency of reality fiction transcendence in the first place. While the usage of the allegory of the cave has gotten 1A ratings for many characters and verses, this is obviously not one of them. Regardless it is not at all consistent with the entire history of DC comics.

It should be noted that truly proper depiction of The Forms grant them High-1A+ Type-1 ratings with The World of Forms itself being High-1A+ Type-2 and The Good / The One / The Absolute being tier 0. However, practically no verse in all of fiction depicts them in this way and are instead depicted as 1A. The depiction here is not even worthy of a quantitative (dimensional) transcendence let alone a qualitative transcendence.

So what is going on this story?: The realities within The Archive of Worlds are real universes (located elsewhere in the multiverse), the way by which they are accessed is through the film tapes. As such, The Archive of Worlds is basically just a strange portal room nothing more. The main feat from this arc is Superman performing an immeasurable lifting strength feat by directly interacting with and separating two realities. This needs to be moved from his AP section and placed in his lifting strength section.

In the last few months there have been an abundance of efforts to get Superman to 1-A. At this point bringing it up should get a temporary ban and users who continue to bring it up repeatedly after a temporary ban should just be ban outright as it wastes time deliberating the same topics over and over again.

 

[KirbyFan03]

My opinions.

Sphere should be baseline High 1-A with stuff like CM1, IM2, plot hax, law manip, chaos manip, non duality type 2 at peak realms

Thoughts?

 

[Wirtzwest]

It should be more than clear that obviously Earth-0 or any other regular universe does not quality for a 1A rating from what is shown in Batman / Superman. While terminology that makes an allusion to the allegory of the cave is used, this is not nearly enough evidence to provide a 1A rating as the worlds do not even obey the consistency of reality fiction transcendence in the first place. While the usage of the allegory of the cave has gotten 1A ratings for many characters and verses, this is obviously not one of them. Regardless it is not at all consistent with the entire history of DC comics.

It should be noted that truly proper depiction of The Forms grant them High-1A+ Type-1 ratings with The World of Forms itself being High-1A+ Type-2 and The Good / The One / The Absolute being tier 0. However, practically no verse in all of fiction depicts them in this way and are instead depicted as 1A. The depiction here is not even worthy of a quantitative (dimensional) transcendence let alone a qualitative transcendence.

So what is going on this story?: The realities within The Archive of Worlds are real universes (located elsewhere in the multiverse), the way by which they are accessed is through the film tapes. As such, The Archive of Worlds is basically just a strange portal room nothing more. The main feat from this arc is Superman performing an immeasurable lifting strength feat by directly interacting with and separating two realities. This needs to be moved from his AP section and placed in his lifting strength section.

In the last few months there have been an abundance of efforts to get Superman to 1-A. At this point bringing it up should get a temporary ban and users who continue to bring it up repeatedly after a temporary ban should just be ban outright as it wastes time deliberating the same topics over and over again.

If it's a CRT it should warrant a ban but this is a discussion thread where input from various people is needed. Note: Base Superman cannot reach tier 1A if one wants to provide an argument use the dematteis elseworlds stories. Hope l am clear.

 

[Tarcaver]

In the last few months there have been an abundance of efforts to get Superman to 1-A. At this point bringing it up should get a temporary ban and users who continue to bring it up repeatedly after a temporary ban should just be ban outright as it wastes time deliberating the same topics over and over again.

Heavily disagree with this, literally what is the point of a discussion thread if simply bringing up a topic is considered ban worthy?

This sounds gatekeepey as hell and at worst is an attempt at censorship.

 

[AyOgUyS]

I’m not exactly a hardcore pusher for 1-A Superman either but like that’s nowhere near ban-worthy. As long as no threads are being constantly spammed and everyone’s civil there shouldn’t be any real issues.

 

[Rgerdeena]

In the last few months there have been an abundance of efforts to get Superman to 1-A. At this point bringing it up should get a temporary ban and users who continue to bring it up repeatedly after a temporary ban should just be ban outright as it wastes time deliberating the same topics over and over again.

I don’t exactly agree with Superman being 1-A but you can’t ban people just because they think Superman’s 1-A and wish to voice their opinions

 

[DecisiveGoldfinch419]

In the last few months there have been an abundance of efforts to get Superman to 1-A. At this point bringing it up should get a temporary ban and users who continue to bring it up repeatedly after a temporary ban should just be ban outright as it wastes time deliberating the same topics over and over again.

Just make King Omega Darkseid and King Omega Superman 1-A/High 1-A and the problem is solved. Surely someone has a list of feats/statements/scailing to other characters like Spectre/SPB that can justify their placements into those tiers. I might be wrong though, I am new to this thread.

 

[Antvasima]

I’m not exactly a hardcore pusher for 1-A Superman either but like that’s nowhere near ban-worthy. As long as no threads are being constantly spammed and everyone’s civil there shouldn’t be any real issues.

Although it is turning very tiresome to deal with at this point, so forbidding the topic might be reasonable.

 

[KirbyFan03]

Not permanently

Maybe a month or 3

IMHO while yeah it is a bit annoying its nothing ban worthy

Maybe a small break from the args for a set limit of time where those who bring it up... Will be shat on

It's fair to bring it up again after the time period agreed on

 

[AyOgUyS]

Although it is turning very tiresome to deal with at this point, so forbidding the topic might be reasonable.

Maybe but like how many times has it even popped up?

 

[Antvasima]

Here is a leak for the Eisner awards this year, but we will find out later today if the information is accurate.

I will mark the entries I know enough about to find very reasonable in bold text, and made a strikethrough for one that I disagree with, due to the author in question apparently being a misogynistic conceited piece of shit.

"Best Short Story: “Blood Harvest,” in Brain Damage, by Shintaro Kago, translated by Zack Davisson (Fantagraphics)

Best One-Shot/Single Issue: Absolute Batman 2025 Annual #1, by Daniel Warren Johnson, James Harren, and Meredith McClaren (DC)

Best Continuing Series: Absolute Batman, by Scott Snyder, Nick Dragotta, and others (DC)

Best Limited Series: Absolute Martian Manhunter, by Deniz Camp and Javier Rodriguez (DC)

Best New Series: Assorted Crisis Events, by Deniz Camp and Eric Zawadski (Image)

Best Publication for Early Readers: All the Hulk Feels, by Dan Santat (Abrams Fanfare/Marvel)

Best Publication for Kids: The Cartoonists Club, by Raina Telgemeier and Scott McCloud (Scholastic Graphix)

Best Publication for Teens: This Place Kills Me, by Mariko Tamaki and Nicole Goux (Abrams Fanfare)

Best Humor Publication: Physics for Cats, by Tom Gauld (Drawn & Quarterly)

Best Anthology: DC Pride 2025, edited by Andrea Shea and Jillian Grant (DC)

Best Reality-Based Work: Black Arms to Hold You Up: A History of Black Resistance, by Ben Passmore (Pantheon)

Best Graphic Memoir: It Rhymes with Takei, by George Takei, Harmony Becker, Steven Scott, and Justin Eisinger (Top Shelf)

Best Graphic Album–New: Drome, by Jesse Lonergan (23rd St. Books)

Best Graphic Album–Reprint: Superman’s Pal, Jimmy Olsen: The Deluxe Edition, by Matt Fraction and Steve Lieber (DC)

Best Adaptation from Another Medium: Lord of the Flies: The Graphic Novel, by William Golding, adapted by Aimée De Jongh (Penguin Classics)

Best U.S. Edition of International Material: Nocturnos, by Laura Perez, translated by Andrea Rosenberg (Fantagraphics)

Best U.S. Edition of International Material–Asia: Purgatory Funeral Cakes, by Sanho, translated by Danny Lim (Dark Horse)

Best Archival Collection/Project—Strips: The George Herriman Library: Krazy & Ignatz 1928–1930, edited by J. Michael Catron and Bill Blackbeard (Fantagraphics)

Best Archival Collection/Project—Comic Books: AKIRA Volumes 1–5 Hardcover Collection, by Katsuhiro Otomo, edited by Haruko Hashimoto, Ajani Oloye, and Lauren Scanlan (Kodansha USA Publishing)

Best Academic/Scholarly Work: Manga’s First Century: How Creators and Fans Made Japanese Comics, 1905–1989, by Andrea Horbinski (University of California Press)

Best Comics-Related Periodical/Journalism: SKTCHD, by David Harper, www.sktchd.com

Best Comics-Related Book: Crumb: A Cartoonist’s Life, by Dan Nadel (Scribner)

Best Publication Design: The Essential Peanuts, designed by Shawn Dahl with Chip Kidd (Abrams ComicArts)

Best Webcomic: Tiger, Tiger by Petra Erika Nordlund (tigertigercomic.com)

Best Digital Comic: Practical Defense Against Piracy, by Tony Cliff (delilahdirk.com)

Best Writer: Mariko Tamaki, This Place Kills Me (Abrams Fanfare)

Best Writer/Artist: Jamal Campbell, Zatanna (DC)

Best Penciller/Inker: Javier Rodriguez, Absolute Martian Manhunter (DC)

Best Painter/Multimedia Artist: Martin Simmonds, The Department of Truth (Image)

Best Cover Artist: Javier Rodriguez, Absolute Martian Manhunter, Batman & Robin: Year One #7, The New Gods #8 (DC)

Best Coloring: Jordie Bellaire, Absolute Wonder Woman, The Nice House by the Sea (DC); The Exorcism at 1600 Penn (IDW); Assorted Crisis Events, The Department of Truth, Exquisite Corpses, W0RLDTR33 (Image); GI Joe (Image/Skybound); EC Catacomb of Torment, EC Epitaphs from the Abyss (Oni Press)

Best Lettering: Hassan Otsmane-Elhaou, Ill Vacation, Stillman (Comixology Originals); Absolute Martian Manhunter, Challengers of the Unknown, DC K.O., The Flash, Green Arrow, Poison Ivy (DC); Beneath the Trees Where Nobody Sees, The Exorcism at 1600 Penn, Starship Godzilla, (IDW); Author Immortal (Image); Our-Soot-Stained Heart (Mad Cave)

Hall of Fame:

Judges’ Choices Bob Bolling, Gerry Conway, Denys Cowan, Edwina Dumm, Mike Friedrich, Oliver Harrington, Don Heck, Abe Kanegson, Lee Marrs, Go Nagai, Paul S. Newman, Hector German Osterheld, Tom Palmer Sr., Bud Plant, Mike Royer, Dave Sim, Jimmy Swinnerton, Carol Tyler, and Rick Veitch.

Voters’ Choices: Colleen Doran, Jeff Smith, Akira Toriyama, Chris Ware"

For the record, I think that Deniz Camp or Al Ewing should have received the "best writer award.

 

[Kurokitomo]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/bowser-vs-superman-0-0-0.193067/#post-7852162 Hey dc fellas, input here would be great. Thank you!

 

[AyOgUyS]

Just make King Omega Darkseid and King Omega Superman 1-A/High 1-A and the problem is solved. Surely someone has a list of feats/statements/scailing to other characters like Spectre/SPB that can justify their placements into those tiers. I might be wrong though, I am new to this thread.

I don’t have an issue with King Omega Superman specifically being 1-A to High 1-A, but don’t we have rules on indexing one time power ups?

 

[Frankky123]

I didn't expect it to be like this, I even asked if the archive of worlds was even equivalent to 4D to be rated as tier 2, considering that earth 0 sees the archive reality like a very small and ephemeral film strip(fiction) and the archive inhabitant sees earth 0 as a form that supersedes its shadow's realities(mentioned repeatedly) inhabited by a godlike giant(bigger version). With two perspectives about each other (bigger one and lower one) I didn't immediately say it was an upgrade, instead the first thought, i thought maybe the archive of worlds was below 3d so it didn't fit to tier 2. Until I realized the difference between the 2 realities was analogized to plato's stuff that could give 1-A rating, then I asked it but i didn't make a revision thread, as well as the world forger stuff, where my focus wasn't on damaging world forger but on destruction feats which was equivalent to 1-A not just 2-A as previously considered, but I didn't immediately decide it, i just stopped at the discussion thread. like i said, I'm also lazy to make a revision thread.

But we better move on. In this comment, i just wanna say, i also think its not an upgrade or not even 3d spatial level feat

 

[Frankky123]

I don’t have an issue with King Omega Superman specifically being 1-A to High 1-A, but don’t we have rules on indexing one time power ups?

This was my first thought, but it was because king omega is a new form so it can be applied to Superman's profile.

 

[KirbyFan03]

I didn't expect it to be like this, I even asked if the archive of worlds was even equivalent to 4D to be rated as tier 2, considering that earth 0 sees the archive reality like a very small and ephemeral film strip(fiction) and the archive inhabitant sees earth 0 as a form that supersedes its shadow's realities(mentioned repeatedly) inhabited with a godlike giant(bigger version). With two perspectives about each other (bigger one and lower one) I didn't immediately say it was an upgrade, instead the first thought, i thought maybe the archive of worlds was below 3d so it didn't fit to tier 2. Until I realized the difference between the 2 realities was analogized to plato's stuff that could give 1-A rating, then I asked it but i didn't make a revision thread, as well as the world forger stuff, where my focus wasn't on damaging world forger but on destruction feats which was equivalent to 1-A not just 2-A as previously considered, but I didn't immediately decide it, i just stopped at the discussion thread. like i said, I'm also lazy to make a revision thread.

But we better move on. In this comment, i just wanna say, i also think its not an upgrade or not even 3d spatial level feat

Yeah the 1-A wank for heralds isnt good

Or the mention of it outside of special abilities like SoS