Undyne also mentions feeling every monster's heart beating in Undertale, so I don't think this changes anything
1: people arguing if sun is real or not (and for some reason we have a outerspace now)
2-A DELTARUNE IS REAL!!!
I think soo since the eggman exist throw all Files and technically connected with them
That’s high 3-A. L Larp
Probably not, isn't it a fox?
How?
How?
Makes sense to me, it feels like Dark Worlds as a whole are that.
Why?
The suns are the colored lamps above the flowers. They're still not real, though
Ch1 & 2 characters that are (presumably) fodder can fight LV5 Lancer Fan Club and at the end they also get into a scuffle with the Mikes and the Weather folk
well ig they aren't TECHNICALLY fodder if they're in a. yknow. boss fight. but you know what i mean
I don’t think the calc is controversial since it’s just a generic storm calc, it’s just that it doesn’t scale to physicals due to DR not having UES.
My pacifist ahh has to fight demons during chapter 1 replays because Devilsknife is so good during the knight fight
Nah, the foxes only copy what they've already seen, and when that fox stops being the green sun, the sky doesn't turn black indicating that it wasn't the main sun
Scaling wise, i made this list of many calcs for the verse (some are new others not). Though I need to correct a few things (some calcs were recjected)
If you find the Forgotten Man in Chapter 5 without having every other egg first, there’ll be dialogue where he points to a row of trees that is described to be like a hall of mirrors (aka infinite trees).
Yeah, I was about to say that seems like really poor evidence for it being infinite.
That where we put the observer effect in the verse tho
the upscales come from Flowery moving the Sun (as when he transforms into omega flowery, he raises his hand and the sun moves), the results vary on how big the sun is
Subjective Reality is honestly a massive lowball. I think it should be upgraded to full Law Manipulation instead. In Chapter 4, Ralsei says that he doesn't just know about the prophecy, he also knows about the “rules” that governs the Dark World. The fact that he deliberately air-quotes the word strongly implies he's referring to the same “rules” we're familiar with, namely the battle system itself.
Well, if there was existing laws between all of the Dark Worlds, how exactly would that grant anyone Law Manipulation?
I don't exactly understand the question, wdym?
You said we should change Subjective Reality to Law Manipulation, but I don't see any evidence that any laws are being manipulated.
The in-game mechanics themselves are the rules. Throughout the game, most notably during the tutorial, Ralsei explicitly explains them, even mentioning the control buttons (presumably to teach the Player). The same battle system that Rouxls Kaard deliberately manipulate, and his attack is about “rules”, get it now? Later, Ralsei outright says that he knows about the “rules” which encompasses the game's mechanics, including statistics and the CONFIG menu which Flowery demonstrably manipulates. All of that is Law Manipulation, I don't even know why we disregarded it as such.
Well, Flowery creates 'fake stats', so more of an illusion manifest (like Subjective Reality).
The thing is, he has to interact with the rules in order to do any of that in the first place. He's already associated with breaking the fourth wall throughout the game: appearing above the dialogue box, recognizing the boundaries of the screen while in a cutscene (bumping into them), and so on. On top of that, all of these mechanics fall under what Ralsei specifically refers to as knowing the “rules”. Otherwise, how would Ralsei even know the Dark World's fundamentally metafictional nature? Rouxls Kaard is just an example, him being associated with “rules” makes him able to manipulate it so and that is the battle system, which proves that they are indeed rules. I'm not saying that Flowery can do what Rouxls did, but just that every little part of the in-game mechanics are themselves rules.
Anyway, this just... isn't true. The CONFIG menu functions as the Player's settings menu, which directly dictates how the game operates and what its output will be. Saying that it isn't a form of Law is, frankly, pretty silly. And, like I said, we already accept this sort of thing as Law anyway, as reflected in the cosmology blog.
I can also see it being interpreted as Subjective Reality, given the statements that everything is an illusion and that by HOPE he can make those illusions real. That said, I think it's mostly a matter of semantics. The majority of the evidence presented throughout the game already points toward Law Manipulation as well, so I don't think that's a reach by any means.
I mean, Law Manipulation could theoretically be included in Subjective Reality.
