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Deltarune: Chapter 5 (SPOILER!!) Discussion Thread

Eden_Warlock99 said:
🤓 Erm actually Miss Mizzle's storm is like, Low 7-B

But yeah I do think most feats that aren't like, a big boom, are rarely like actually intended by the writers to be all that impressive, if at all.
Creation feat worst em all ((Ice feats are second place). Like AHiT you got 4-A creation feats and like, 1 or 2 9-A feats.

Honestly wonder how many verses out there actually attribute creation feats like we do here
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Aside from Chapter 5 stuff, what’s the highest valid and non-controversial feat we have right now? Is it the Titan’s PE or is there issues with that one too? Not a calcer so idk how the math lines up.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
🤓 Erm actually Miss Mizzle's storm is like, Low 7-B
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Eden_Warlock99 said:
But yeah I do think most feats that aren't like, a big boom, are rarely like actually intended by the writers to be all that impressive, if at all.
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My issue isn't even with KE in general, I'm fine with using KE when it's visibly meant to be a impressive feat, like there's a difference between:
  • Character who somehow gets above the "200kg" because of like density of his material just jumping or clapping his hands fast is somehow "Multi-City Block level" (Tenna)
  • Character's punch physically clears the weather with the entire verse calling it a feat meant to be impressive and to show the strength he used (Deku)
One is clearly meant to be calculated like we do since it's meant to show "oh look he's so strong he can do this", the other isn't even meant to be a feat to be calculated, it's literally just inflating stuff to things that were never meant to be used as a feat because "he must be made out of steel so he's heavy and if you compare his speed to something completely unrelated then he is very fast therefore very strong!"

(Note: Not insulting anyone who made calculations like that as if they were purposefully trying to inflate the verse, just expressing a disappointment that the wiki somehow seems to accept and promote this inflation)

Eden_Warlock99 said:
Creation feat worst em all ((Ice feats are second place). Like AHiT you got 4-A creation feats and like, 1 or 2 9-A feats.
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Creation feats shouldn't scale normally, that's something the wiki establishes clearly but people still somehow manage to make characters scale to it over non-sense. Or just ignoring stuff like the fact that we have Stabilization Feat Rules that say stuff like this:
Requirement 2: Prove that the stabilized structure is being directly sustained by the power of the character and not from the character's abilities, life force, existence, magical properties, or any unknown connection that is independent of their statistics.

Requirement 4: Prove that the power of the character's stabilization consistently scales to their regular statistics, similar to our standards for creation feats.

Possible Common Limitations:
  • The character's existence only sustains the structure.
  • The character's life force only sustains the structure.
  • The character and the structure are linked by a magical or unknown component.
  • The character's regular statistics aren't consistently portrayed at the level of what they sustain.
Reminds you of someone right? đź‘€

Eden_Warlock99 said:
Honestly wonder how many verses out there actually attribute creation feats like we do here
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All that should, should get wiped.
 
Maybe with the flowers, we need to make a "flower physiology", cuz Flowery himself, at the end of the chapter says that they aren't lightners nor darkners, that they are live beings

Generally they would have darkner physiology, but they have human characteristics like some of them looking like humans, flowery and blue soul have white dialogue sprites (like lighteners), and they already say that the can't live in dark worlds for long, a darkner logically can live in a dark world

I don't think the flowers had the ability to create dark fountains, but they could have a bit of lightner physiology
 
Breadbear83 said:
Maybe with the flowers, we need to make a "flower physiology", cuz Flowery himself, at the end of the chapter says that they aren't lightners nor darkners, that they are live beings

Generally they would have darkner physiology, but they have human characteristics like some of them looking like humans, flowery and blue soul have white dialogue sprites (like lighteners), and they already say that the can't live in dark worlds for long, a darkner logically can live in a dark world

I don't think the flowers had the ability to create dark fountains, but they could have a bit of lightner physiology
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LittleGuy99 said:
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It depends on two things:
  1. Can the Knight only nullify fake statistics like Flowery states, or does it extend to all damage and stats considering Flowery’s real stats should’ve dealt more than 0 damage?
  2. Does the Knight have any way to harm Pink?
If the Knight can’t negate all damage/stats and can’t harm Pink, then her invulnerability alongside Gerson’s power and speed should be enough to win.

If the Knight can take out Pink then maybe Gerson can solo alongside the small help the other three might give at the start, however if the Knight can just nullify all damage and ignore all stats then the other side are cooked.
 
Seriously though, while i played through it I didn't really notice anything scaling-wise notable (i also just wasn't paying attention to that and was taking in how goated Yellow was)

What are y'all currently cooking up?
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Aside from Chapter 5 stuff, what’s the highest valid and non-controversial feat we have right now? Is it the Titan’s PE or is there issues with that one too? Not a calcer so idk how the math lines up.
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Titan PE (8-A?), Tenna's temperature feat (High 8-C), and then Miss Mizzle's water attacks I think (High 8-C)
 
Galactidot said:
Island-Country Level Delta Run is based
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Using the explosion formula (wich i think was used to obtain the Island Level results). Destruction of a darkworld would be about 200-400 Gigatons (Large Island Level)

BUT

The size of a Dark world can reach up to 1133.856km in radius and about 4 million square kilometers, making it bigger than India but smaller than Australia
 
Edutyn said:
Using the explosion formula (wich i think was used to obtain the Island Level results). Destruction of a darkworld would be about 200-400 Gigatons (Large Island Level)

BUT

The size of a Dark world can reach up to 1133.856km in radius and about 4 million square kilometers, making it bigger than India but smaller than Australia
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How did you get the 1133km radius tho?
 
Breadbear83 said:
How did you get the 1133km radius tho?
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Based on this. Since Asgore is 10 feet tall (3 meters), i divided his height by 10^-3 and got that from the cliff to the castle are 3000m. Using your calc.

3000*372= 1133856m or 1133.856km

the sun would be 539875.472542m or 539.875472542km in diameter
 
Edutyn said:
Based on this. Since Asgore is 10 feet tall (3 meters), i divided his height by 10^-3 and got that from the cliff to the castle are 3000m. Using your calc.

3000*372= 1133856m or 1133.856km

the sun would be 539875.472542m or 539.875472542km in diameter
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Dunno If the 1000x applies to when asgore was thrown far away to the castle, but maybe it does
 
There's also something that caught my attention. Flowery seems capable of bypassing the conventional turn-based system, as shown several times during his fights. One example is when he performs an ACT (the MERCY bar segment), yet still follows it up with a FIGHT afterward. Another is during his battle against the Knight, where he apparently always gets the initiative (I mean, he did say that the Knight can't run now due to this). He starts first, uses MERCY on Floradin, and then immediately performs a FIGHT against the Knight within the same turn.

I also believe the CONFIG menu has far more potential as a win condition for Flowery. He somehow manages to conjure an option like “RALSEIs” out of nowhere, which suggests the menu isn't strictly limited to predefined settings. I wouldn't be surprised if, for example, he were fighting someone like Gojo and suddenly added an “INFINITYs” option to the menu. I mean, that kind of absurdity is basically how his fights normally work (at least outside of his battles with the Fun Gang), isn't it? Even Seth is shown throwing the MERCY percentage during her fight, so the CONFIG mechanics already seem far more flexible than they initially appear.

I think this is worth noting on his profile, don't you guys think? This whole chapter is a whole lot mess of metafictional mechanic.
 
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Jepilstiltskin said:
He somehow manages to conjure an option like “RALSEIs” out of nowhere, which suggests the menu isn't strictly limited to predefined settings.
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I just thought of something. Maybe everything is already contained within the CONFIG menu, and what we actually see is just a limited portion of it (which would make sense, since the interface obviously can't display every possible setting).

What if those settings only become accessible once someone is exposed to them? For example, the VOICE CLIPs setting only appears after we encounter Flowery, yet Ralsei seems to have known about it all along (implying that it already exist). The same thing happens with the RALSEIs setting, it only shows up after Flowery brings it up.

My point is that this seems extremely applicable in crossover matchups. If the opponent's abilities or characteristics can be represented as CONFIG options once they're introduced, then the menu itself could function as a legitimate win condition. After all, we already accept these mechanics as a form of “Law”, don't we?
 
Randomuser3412 said:
Well, turning off RALSEIs didn't exactly erase him from the game, did it?
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I don't think the off option means “off” in the sense that Ralsei dies and is suddenly six feet under. It's more like his entire function is disabled, he essentially becomes useless and is unable to do anything.

It's not just about him being unable to talk. Because we see this during the puzzle sequence, that if we intentionally keep failing it, Ralsei starts begging mad for Kris to solve it instead of actually doing it himself, and then falls to the ground eventually. If we keep continue failing on purpose, he ultimately resorts to widen himself and turn into a bridge instead (he really wants to progress, but since he can't do the puzzle, he do this). To me, this shows that he can't really do anything else in that state. He can't solve the puzzle himself (can't interact), nor can he simply destroy or bypass it like he does when he isn't turned off.

I can't seem to find that exact scene at the moment, though.
 
Jepilstiltskin said:
I don't think the off option means “off” in the sense that Ralsei dies and is suddenly six feet under. It's more like his entire function is disabled, he essentially becomes useless and is unable to do anything.

It's not just about him being unable to talk. Because we see this during the puzzle sequence, that if we intentionally keep failing it, Ralsei starts begging mad for Kris to solve it instead of actually doing it himself, and then falls to the ground eventually. If we keep continue failing on purpose, he ultimately resorts to widen himself and turn into a bridge instead (he really wants to progress, but since he can't do the puzzle, he do this). To me, this shows that he can't really do anything else in that state. He can't solve the puzzle himself (can't interact), nor can he simply destroy or bypass it like he does when he isn't turned off.

I can't seem to find that exact scene at the moment, though.
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So law hax maybe concept hax?
 
Edutyn said:
The dield of Pink and Gold
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According to Green Pippins, the "Pink and Gold" eyes are actually "Pink and Yellow," and, clearly, Flowery and Yellow aren't the same guy-
Anyway, Pink and Yellow are used WAY more than just in FRIEND's eyes. We really shouldn't have expected such a nothing-"character" to be important to a Dark World like Asgore's flower shop.
 
The one issue with Flowery manipulating the CONFIG menu is that he doesn’t seem to be able to turn things on and off himself, at least as far as I’m aware. If he was teamed up with something who could access the menu though then yeah it’s really OP.

Though if Ralsei does have similar abilities like he and Flowery imply, maybe we’ll eventually be able to add that to his and the Delta Warriors’ pages if it’s shown off in later chapters.
 
About Miss Mizzle storm feat and Flowery moving the "sun", how would that correlate to their AP? Would that count for their physical stats or just an Hax dependent AP?
 
KaaydoManic said:
About Miss Mizzle storm feat and Flowery moving the "sun", how would that correlate to their AP? Would that count for their physical stats or just an Hax dependent AP?
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Darkness is not an UES so nah. Titan is an exception due to its Dark Fountain embodiment thingy.
 
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